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PVA

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,316
But but but look at what someone from Labour did 17 years ago!!!

Fuck sake
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,317
I do think it's high time we removed Jack Straw from government to be fair.
 
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Astute

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,318
PVA said:
Oh dear


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So anyone who has ever said that someone looks like someone else is racist? Or does it just count for those who are not white British

If it was any race in general then yes.

My guess would be that the person you are talking about is aligned to something you like to have a go at/point scoring. Or are we now not allowed to say two people look similar
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,319
Astute said:
So anyone who has ever said that someone looks like someone else is racist? Or does it just count for those who are not white British

If it was any race in general then yes.

My guess would be that the person you are talking about is aligned to something you like to have a go at/point scoring. Or are we now not allowed to say two people look similar
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He’d have to be the world’s worst player of guess who to mix them up. All he has to ask himself is does he have a beard or does he wear glasses. If the answer is no to either of them questions it’s Sajid Javid.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,320
PVA said:
Oh dear


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Skybluefaz

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,321
Astute said:
If it was any race in general then yes.
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Then yes what?
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,322
skybluetony176 said:
He’d have to be the world’s worst player of guess who to mix them up. All he has to ask himself is does he have a beard or does he wear glasses. If the answer is no to either of them questions it’s Sajid Javid.
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He does have a point though , why are you not aloud to say somebody looks like somebody else , even if they don't?

People say I look like a young Brad Pitt
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,323
Astute said:
So anyone who has ever said that someone looks like someone else is racist? Or does it just count for those who are not white British

If it was any race in general then yes.

My guess would be that the person you are talking about is aligned to something you like to have a go at/point scoring. Or are we now not allowed to say two people look similar
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If I thought two people looked alike I would not say 'they all look the same to me'.

Would you?
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,324
PVA said:
If I thought two people looked alike I would not say 'they all look the same to me'.

Would you?
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He said that those 2 people look the same to him ....... to be fair
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,325
Evo1883 said:
He said that those 2 people look the same to him ....... to be fair
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He didn't, he said 'They all look the same to me'. (According to eyewitnesses).
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,326
PVA said:
He didn't, he said 'They all look the same to me'. (According to eyewitnesses).
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Ah right , source?
 

COV

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,327
Astute said:
So anyone who has ever said that someone looks like someone else is racist? Or does it just count for those who are not white British

If it was any race in general then yes.

My guess would be that the person you are talking about is aligned to something you like to have a go at/point scoring. Or are we now not allowed to say two people look similar
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Have you seen them? They look nothing like each other
 

COV

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,328
Evo1883 said:
Ah right , source?
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He sounds like a lovely guy tbf

MP loses charity role after allegedly saying Asian ministers ‘look the same’

Tory James Gray told to step back from St John Ambulance after he reportedly introduced Nadhim Zahawi as health secretary
www.theguardian.com
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,329
Evo1883 said:
Ah right , source?
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Every newspaper including the Mail, for balance. Apparently he was on stage at the time addressing 50 people at an event, he mixed them up, someone pointed out the error to which he replied in front of 50 people (according to the Mail) “They all look the same to me”.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,330
COV said:
He sounds like a lovely guy tbf

MP loses charity role after allegedly saying Asian ministers ‘look the same’

Tory James Gray told to step back from St John Ambulance after he reportedly introduced Nadhim Zahawi as health secretary
www.theguardian.com
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Oh come on. It’s not like he’s got form for being controversial…


Tory James Gray apologises for sick joke about delivering 'bomb' to Labour MP

The MP made the 'foolish' remark on a Tory WhatsApp group ahead of Labour's conference in Brighton - where an IRA bomb killed five people at the Conservative conference in 1984
www.mirror.co.uk
… this month.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,331
Islamaphobia in the Tory party is nothing new or even an argument worth having is it?

They need to own it and sort it out.

Labour and anti-semitism are on a similar journey. Albeit hopefully it's more days without incident for Labour.

Tory Islamophobia inquiry: Anti-Muslim sentiment 'remains a problem' within Conservative Party, report finds

A 44,000-word report will "make for very uncomfortable reading" among the Tory leadership and party members, its author says.
news.sky.com
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,332
skybluetony176 said:
Every newspaper including the Mail, for balance. Apparently he was on stage at the time addressing 50 people at an event, he mixed them up, someone pointed out the error to which he replied in front of 50 people (according to the Mail) “They all look the same to me”.
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Fucking hell..wow.....the guy is either a massive racist, or it was a very very ill judged attempt at off-the-cuff humour in a Jerry Sadowitz type stylee......but I'll have a tenner on option A : Massive racist.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,333
Skybluefaz said:
Islamaphobia in the Tory party is nothing new or even an argument worth having is it?

They need to own it and sort it out.

Labour and anti-semitism are on a similar journey. Albeit hopefully it's more days without incident for Labour.

Tory Islamophobia inquiry: Anti-Muslim sentiment 'remains a problem' within Conservative Party, report finds

A 44,000-word report will "make for very uncomfortable reading" among the Tory leadership and party members, its author says.
news.sky.com
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It’s ok as it’s not hidden
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,334
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Fucking hell..wow.....the guy is either a massive racist, or it was a very very ill judged attempt at off-the-cuff humour in a Jerry Sadowitz type stylee......but I'll have a tenner on option A : Massive racist.
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Nope he said he isn’t racist
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,335
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Fucking hell..wow.....the guy is either a massive racist, or it was a very very ill judged attempt at off-the-cuff humour in a Jerry Sadowitz type stylee......but I'll have a tenner on option A : Massive racist.
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Naaa. It’s clearly an honest mistake. He’s a good guy.

MP had affair while wife battled cancer

NORTH Wiltshire MP James Gray has left his wife but says he will not be quitting his parliamentary seat.
www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,336
Sky Blue Pete said:
Nope he said he isn’t racist
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Is he Jerry Sadowitz?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,337
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Is he Jerry Sadowitz?
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In fact....looking at his ever growing list of shame provided above....maybe hes actually Alan B'stard MP
 
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Astute

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,338
PVA said:
If I thought two people looked alike I would not say 'they all look the same to me'.

Would you?
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Did he say they all look the same or have you made that up?
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,339
You're all missing the crux of the matter.

Who cares if he's a massive racist and jokes of putting bombs in offices.

The fact is Jack Straw shook Robert Mugabes hand almost 20 years ago and that's the real issue of the day.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,340
Astute said:
Did he say they all look the same or have you made that up?
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Have you even read the posts above you and the story?
 

Astute

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,341
PVA said:
Have you even read the posts above you and the story?
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No just replying to you on the comment you first made comparing two people.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,342
Astute said:
No just replying to you on the comment you first made comparing two people.
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Well if you read the posts and the actual story you will see that yes he did say 'they all look the same to me'.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,343
Few people in here showing their biases. Whether he said it isn’t up for debate, it’s been reported everywhere that he did. So taking that fact you can either defend him saying it or not.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,344
Astute said:
So anyone who has ever said that someone looks like someone else is racist? Or does it just count for those who are not white British

If it was any race in general then yes.

My guess would be that the person you are talking about is aligned to something you like to have a go at/point scoring. Or are we now not allowed to say two people look similar
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Everyone gets people mixed up. But these are prominent members of his party who are regularly in the media. They've got quite obvious differences. Do you think he's say the same about Raab and Hancock for example?
 

Astute

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,345
PVA said:
You're all missing the crux of the matter.

Who cares if he's a massive racist and jokes of putting bombs in offices.

The fact is Jack Straw shook Robert Mugabes hand almost 20 years ago and that's the real issue of the day.
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Shake someone's hand and all is OK.

If a comment about someone who is black is racist then it is racist whatever the background of the comment. No excuses should be used. But if you try to understand one comment you should try to understand all comments and not say guilty/not guilty because of political stance/point scoring.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,346
skybluetony176 said:
Oh come on. It’s not like he’s got form for being controversial…


Tory James Gray apologises for sick joke about delivering 'bomb' to Labour MP

The MP made the 'foolish' remark on a Tory WhatsApp group ahead of Labour's conference in Brighton - where an IRA bomb killed five people at the Conservative conference in 1984
www.mirror.co.uk
… this month.
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Probably just shoved him up the pecking order for a ministerial position in this government.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,347
Astute said:
Shake someone's hand and all is OK.

If a comment about someone who is black is racist then it is racist whatever the background of the comment. No excuses should be used. But if you try to understand one comment you should try to understand all comments and not say guilty/not guilty because of political stance/point scoring.
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You mean like you’ve just done?
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,348
Astute said:
you should try to understand all comments and not say guilty/not guilty because of political stance/point scoring.
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You literally just steamrolled in here defending a racist remark without bothering to check if he said it or not and accused me of making it up.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,349
shmmeee said:
Few people in here showing their biases. Whether he said it isn’t up for debate, it’s been reported everywhere that he did. So taking that fact you can either defend him saying it or not.
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Agree. If one is guilty both are guilty. If one is innocent they are both innocent. Shaking a hand doesn't take away from the comment made.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #7,350
shmmeee said:
You mean like you’ve just done?
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Look above
 
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