chiefdave
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Would be interesting to get figures on how often members of the opposition are asked questions on this compared to how often the same questions are asked of the government.
Would be interesting to get figures on how often members of the opposition are asked questions on this compared to how often the same questions are asked of the government.I'm more concerned about why Labour keep this kind of politics at the front of its agenda , thus essentially putting people off them 'again' when they should be capitalising on a dreadful 18 months for the tories .
Are they though? Or is it your Nick Ferrari's of the world constantly asking this sort of question to get outraged at something.
Yeah, I suspect it's doing Labour's opposition's work for them, to focus on that. That discussion can (and should, really) be had, but it's not the meat on the bones - there's a minimum wage debate that's more worth focussing on, whatever your view of the different positions.Are they though? Or is it your Nick Ferrari's of the world constantly asking this sort of question to get outraged at something.
Yeah, I suspect it's doing Labour's opposition's work for them, to focus on that. That discussion can (and should, really) be had, but it's not the meat on the bones - there's a minimum wage debate that's more worth focussing on, whatever your view of the different positions.
But... there's a minimum wage debate right now! There's a pledge for funding for green energy.There's a million and 1 things to talk about right now .
Brexit handling , Wages , living conditions , poverty , the state of the NHS , security...
It's so painful seeing this constant dribble from Labour
But... there's a minimum wage debate right now! There's a pledge for funding for green energy.
*These* are the th8ings that are happening.
Fair enoughIt was a key part of their conference tbf
They can't, but then the time to debate it is now, surely, and get the rough bits out the way in good time before an election. Hopefully, both sides can accept whatever the result is, and fight as one from that point... but then that is the problem with allowing representation from everybody really, everybody sticks their oar in!Ofcourse , problem is they cant even agree to that within the party .
Are they though? Or is it your Nick Ferrari's of the world constantly asking this sort of question to get outraged at something.
But it's what thd mainly Tory press want to report from LabourThere's a million and 1 things to talk about right now .
Brexit handling , Wages , living conditions , poverty , the state of the NHS , security...
It's so painful seeing this constant dribble from Labour
There's a million and 1 things to talk about right now .
Brexit handling , Wages , living conditions , poverty , the state of the NHS , security...
It's so painful seeing this constant dribble from Labour
But many of these things were discussed but the cervix thing gets focused on.
They don't help themselves though, when asked they should just say there are far more important things to discuss instead of the drivel Starmer came out with.
But it's what thd mainly Tory press want to report from Labour
I think they'll be splitting the tory vote. Although I hope not too much. My faith in the public of late is being tested but these lot should be a goose step too far to the right for most.
Well they could just say women have a cervix - Starmer said that was not a good thing to say by the Labour MP
So you're agreeing with me then you plum.most Labour northern voters lost at the last election will identify with their stance on immigration and transgender than the Islington focus Group running Labour
It was a key part of their conference tbf
Ofcourse , problem is they cant even agree to that within the party .
I live in a constituency with a Tory MP, 3 Tory councillors and a Tory mayor.
All are men over 50.
I am not a tory or a man
None of them have ever canvassed my views and only reply with generic emails to my concerns.
Contacting any of these is literally a waste of time.
I am not represented by them or listened to.
Anyway let’s be honest until they dump Raynor in the cess pit she seems to have lived in most of her life the party are not electable
Nice to see old Len as well selling his book and moaning the Labour moderates stopped Corbyn from winning and being the best Prime Minister since Atlee
Still think it's as much to do with the insufferable gimps that vote for them and preach on social media about it, as it is the party itself.Let's be honest they could do every little thing on here the critics have suggested and there would always be some other reason. The brand is so poor it's probably irredeemable at this stage
Still think it's as much to do with the insufferable gimps that vote for them and preach on social media about it, as it is the party itself.
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If only you’d displayed the same kind of rage about the Tories pulling the UC uplift as you do about Rayner’s potty mouth.Anyway let’s be honest until they dump Raynor in the cess pit she seems to have lived in most of her life the party are not electable
Nice to see old Len as well selling his book and moaning the Labour moderates stopped Corbyn from winning and being the best Prime Minister since Atlee
Fair play, on mine I never see anyone posting pro-tory shit, not worth the pile on from the left wingers. I'll take your word for it though, it could be specific to my friends list... wanna swap friends?You should see what my Tory voting friends post, it's no less gimpish. Bit hard to find a party to follow really as someone who just wants more investment in public services, a higher minimum wage and slightly looser drug regulations, but doesn't want to engage in debate on scientific facts being transphobic
Fair play, on mine I never see anyone posting pro-tory shit, not worth the pile on from the left wingers. I'll take your word for it though, it could be specific to my friends list... wanna swap friends?
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If only you’d displayed the same kind of rage about the Tories pulling the UC uplift as you do about Rayner’s potty mouth.
.I have one who says he's upset with Priti Patel because if he was in charge he wouldn't let immigrants like himself (!) into the country.
I also live in the constituency of a particularly hopeless Tory MP. Campaigned for remain but now spouts about rubbish about immigration. Truly terrible MP.I live in a constituency with a Tory MP, 3 Tory councillors and a Tory mayor.
All are men over 50.
I am not a tory or a man
None of them have ever canvassed my views and only reply with generic emails to my concerns.
Contacting any of these is literally a waste of time.
I am not represented by them or listened to.
Why are we being distracted by this nonsense at this time, instead of focusing on the useless Government.
Why are we being distracted by this nonsense at this time, instead of focusing on the useless Government.
135,000 dead from covid - one of the highest rates in the world relative to population
Thousands of people who supported us left in Afghanistan to face the Taliban
No petrol at the pumps
Rising gas prices
Empty shelves
These are the things we should be concerned about.
Labour have just got to hold their shit together. The far left of the party need to decide whether they want to suck it up and tow the party/Starmer line which will give them the best chance of winning (on recent government performance the next election is very winnable) or keep the infighting, cause problems for Starmer and make themselves unelectable.
For example yesterday Reeves may not have been as radical as many members might want but she is trying to appeal to a combination of old red wall voters and centre/centre right voters who may well have give up on the government on competence grounds come the next election.
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