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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (12 Viewers)

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robbiekeane

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  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,406
shmmeee said:
Thats going to happen wherever they are thiugh. Every kid brings £500+ of electronics with them these days.

Im actually a fan of uniform generally but the new “buy this specific overpriced thing from one specific store” can get bent.

I’ve said before but my ideal system would have three schools: primary (Y1-5), middle (6-9) and secondary (10-13) and I feel then you could do away with uniform in secondary.
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Sort of how it is in the US
 
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COV

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,407
shmmeee said:
I saw this. This is the kind of politics that will get Labour back in government. Cool Britannia 2.0
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And if she gets her brother to do some music for the campaign then victory is assured.

1997- D Ream, Things can only get better
2024- TBC- will likely sound like corrugated iron being pelted by rocks to the backdrop of samples from a warzone.

Apt for the direction of politics over that period I'd say
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,408
1.25% national insurance rise April 2022
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,409
Evo1883 said:
1.25% national insurance ruse
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Possibly an appropriate typo...

Nice of him to pick a tax that hits the poorer disproportionately, ain't it...?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,410
Deleted member 5849 said:
Possibly an appropriate typo...

Nice of him to pick a tax that hits the poorer disproportionately, ain't it...?
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Ah he's a c**t mate , would love them to get beat at the next general I really would
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,411
Worth reading the whole thread. Explains in plain English why this is a tax on the worker’s so it isn’t a tax on the elite.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,412
Evo1883 said:
Ah he's a c**t mate , would love them to get beat at the next general I really would
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I fear we'll be stuck with them for five years after this one! Maybe with some new clothes to make it all seem like a fresh start, while the same old same old happens...
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,413
Tories once again protecting their backers over the many. I'll say it again as I've said many times before, working people voting for them are turkeys voting for Christmas.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,414
fernandopartridge said:
Tories once again protecting their backers over the many. I'll say it again as I've said many times before, working people voting for them are turkeys voting for Christmas.
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I still think a lot of people vote for them as the lesser of two evils. You might think that is wrong, but good luck trying to educate them otherwise.
 

skybluegod

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  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,415
Neither labour or Tory are worth voting for. The whole political system in the UK is horse shit.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,416
Need a comedy protest vote party.
 

skybluegod

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  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,417
Nick said:
Need a comedy protest vote party.
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Basically Nigel farage then?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,418
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I still think a lot of people vote for them as the lesser of two evils. You might think that is wrong, but good luck trying to educate them otherwise.
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Define evil in this context? What is evil about the alternative(s)?
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,419
skybluegod said:
Basically Nigel farage then?
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Nigel has the same set of people to please as the Tories…. He just comes at it from a different angle without outright xenophobia.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,420
fernandopartridge said:
Define evil in this context? What is evil about the alternative(s)?
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I don't speak for every single person in the population, but I suspect the percentage of people who aren't avid fans of both the conservatives and labour is very high. I certainly don't see an overwhelming amount of people pledging blind loyalty to one or the other anymore. Let's face it, they are both a shambles and I get the impression that many people do vote conservative purely to keep labour out, even if they don't really like them either.

Evil can be whatever poison you want it to be depending on what policies and type of politician you like or don't like, but in this context it was just more of a turn of phrase.
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,421
Nick said:
Need a comedy protest vote party.
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,422
skybluegod said:
Basically Nigel farage then?
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I thought the Tories were the comedy party now. Clown in charge, clowns in every cabinet position and clowns on the back benches.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,423
fernandopartridge said:
Tories once again protecting their backers over the many. I'll say it again as I've said many times before, working people voting for them are turkeys voting for Christmas.
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But, but they have lovely big flags in the background when they come on the TV.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,424
It does take a lot to piss of the left, right and centre and they've done it in one quick go with this
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,425
Fucking Tory cunts.
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,426
Levelling up by a differential of £6k.
Monopoly rules.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 7, 2021
  • #6,427
I wonder if the brexit yacht will get cancelled now. We clearly can’t afford it given we need an over 10% rise in NI to pay for things we do need.
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 8, 2021
  • #6,428
skybluetony176 said:
I wonder if the brexit yacht will get cancelled now. We clearly can’t afford it given we need an over 10% rise in NI to pay for things we do need.
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Nah - they’ll announce another one in a week or so.

Rule Britannia innit…
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 8, 2021
  • #6,429
Tories overspending on tax breaks for their mates and brexit yachts. The problem with spending g other people’s money is you run out of it. Should’ve fixed the roof while the sun was shining.

Have I missed any?

Now the Tories have accepted they’ve lost the argument on the size of the state perhaps they will also consider how best to fund it fairly?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 8, 2021
  • #6,430
I keep hearing/reading that there’s a pandemic, we have to pay for it somehow. I can’t see how social care reforms and the financial cost of the pandemic are linked. As far as I can tell we borrowed the money to pay for the pandemic costs and the problems in social care were not caused by the pandemic but by a decade of austerity. Basically the working man is paying for the banking crisis again, first in the form of austerity now again in a tax hike to remedy the effects of austerity. Just more proof that austerity didn’t work and the elite who bought around the banking crisis still get off Scot free. Is that about the size of it?
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Sep 8, 2021
  • #6,431
If HMRC dealt with tax havens correctly there would be no need to increase NI.
 
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rob9872

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  • Sep 8, 2021
  • #6,432
I love how all of those who didn't even vote for the manifesto are the ones most outraged by it being broken, because they can use it as a new stick to beat the Govt with. You can argue all day about the root cause to suit your agenda, but surely you must with your roots, applaud the increase and what it's being used for.

Those who possibly could rightfully be outraged are people like me who voted for them, are paying the increase and don't have huge savings, but after the past 18 months it's a small price to pay and nothing that can't be reversed in time. If anything they should be commended for recognising the shortfall, finding a solution and having the balls to make that change to their direction knowing how unpopular a decision it would be.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 8, 2021
  • #6,433
skybluetony176 said:
I keep hearing/reading that there’s a pandemic, we have to pay for it somehow. I can’t see how social care reforms and the financial cost of the pandemic are linked. As far as I can tell we borrowed the money to pay for the pandemic costs and the problems in social care were not caused by the pandemic but by a decade of austerity. Basically the working man is paying for the banking crisis again, first in the form of austerity now again in a tax hike to remedy the effects of austerity. Just more proof that austerity didn’t work and the elite who bought around the banking crisis still get off Scot free. Is that about the size of it?
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That about sums it up.

As soon as Johnson started talking about how he'd broken a manifesto pledge but no-one could foresee a pandemic I thought "The social care crisis didn't suddenly appear because of the pandemic. It's been there for more than a decade."

Yet there'll still be plenty who'll accept it as an excuse.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Sep 8, 2021
  • #6,434
rob9872 said:
I love how all of those who didn't even vote for the manifesto are the ones most outraged by it being broken, because they can use it as a new stick to beat the Govt with. You can argue all day about the root cause to suit your agenda, but surely you must with your roots, applaud the increase and what it's being used for.

Those who possibly could rightfully be outraged are people like me who voted for them, are paying the increase and don't have huge savings, but after the past 18 months it's a small price to pay and nothing that can't be reversed in time. If anything they should be commended for recognising the shortfall, finding a solution and having the balls to make that change to their direction knowing how unpopular a decision it would be.
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Pathetic
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Sep 8, 2021
  • #6,435
rob9872 said:
I love how all of those who didn't even vote for the manifesto are the ones most outraged by it being broken, because they can use it as a new stick to beat the Govt with. You can argue all day about the root cause to suit your agenda, but surely you must with your roots, applaud the increase and what it's being used for.

Those who possibly could rightfully be outraged are people like me who voted for them, are paying the increase and don't have huge savings, but after the past 18 months it's a small price to pay and nothing that can't be reversed in time. If anything they should be commended for recognising the shortfall, finding a solution and having the balls to make that change to their direction knowing how unpopular a decision it would be.
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Unbelievable. A better solution would have been creating a wealth tax. With this the financial gap between the social classes gets bigger... again.
 
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rob9872

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  • Sep 8, 2021
  • #6,436
Skybluefaz said:
Pathetic
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Thanks for your valid counter argument
 

rob9872

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  • Sep 8, 2021
  • #6,437
Ccfcisparks said:
Unbelievable. A better solution would have been creating a wealth tax. With this the financial gap between the social classes gets bigger... again.
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Yeah lets penalise people for trying to save and look after their money in favour of those who piss it up the wall (also it wouldn't have generated anywhere near as much, but don't let that get in the way of a good grandstanding soundbyte)
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Sep 8, 2021
  • #6,438
rob9872 said:
Yeah lets penalise people for trying to save and look after their money in favour of those who piss it up the wall
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Ha ha, you really are a muppet.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 8, 2021
  • #6,439
rob9872 said:
I love how all of those who didn't even vote for the manifesto are the ones most outraged by it being broken, because they can use it as a new stick to beat the Govt with. You can argue all day about the root cause to suit your agenda, but surely you must with your roots, applaud the increase and what it's being used for.

Those who possibly could rightfully be outraged are people like me who voted for them, are paying the increase and don't have huge savings, but after the past 18 months it's a small price to pay and nothing that can't be reversed in time. If anything they should be commended for recognising the shortfall, finding a solution and having the balls to make that change to their direction knowing how unpopular a decision it would be.
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Point is why pick something that is more onerous on those less well-off - the same people who have suffered the most through loss of earnings etc during the pandemic? The rich have been raking it in, but they get off quite nicely from this. Out of all the solutions this was one of the worst in terms of tax hikes.

I'm not outraged at them breaking a manifesto promise - it's what I expect of them. I'm outraged that people keep on falling for it. This is the same stuff other parties were suggesting and were criticised for, mainly by the Tories. But now the Tories are doing it themselves after promising they wouldn't apparently we should applaud them for doing it.

It seems to me you're trying to justify your own vote rather than face the reality that you voted for a bunch of charaltans who don't give the slightest fuck about the 'common man'.
 
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rob9872

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  • Sep 8, 2021
  • #6,440
Skybluefaz said:
Ha ha, you really are a muppet.
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Again insults with no counter, what a treat you really are.
 
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