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shmmeee
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Grendel
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doubt it
Six EU countries warn against open door for Afghan asylum seekers
Six EU member states have warned the bloc's executive against halting deportations of rejected Afghan asylum seekers arriving in Europe despite major advances of Taliban militants in their country.
Sick Boy
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Neither of the 2 countries which were most involved are in the EU.doubt it
Six EU countries warn against open door for Afghan asylum seekers
Six EU member states have warned the bloc's executive against halting deportations of rejected Afghan asylum seekers arriving in Europe despite major advances of Taliban militants in their country.www.reuters.com
skybluetony176
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Recall for Monday? Last Monday even. It’s not like this problem has crept up overnight.
COV
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And another country to add to the list of places ripped to shreds by them
Grendel
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That’s a cop out. The Eu armed forces were involved at the outset and many deployed troops. In fact many increased their presence as part of NATO in higher percentages than the U.K.
Sick Boy
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Grendel
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So the USA invades the country and yet somehow it’s deflected onto the EU, wow.
well no as you said the two main countries - and you included the U.K. - but it’s not true and the initial invasion after 9/11 was a coalition of many countries.
The us has a huge military personnel. I think you’d be surprised how many troops the Eu has deployed over the years
skybluetony176
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Wasn’t there only 2 invading forces and anyone that followed was part of a NATO piece keeping force?
Grendel
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So the USA invades the country and yet somehow it’s deflected onto the EU, wow.
if you believe the data and I’m not sure it’s entirely correct far more Germana have has a stint in Afghanistan than U.K. soldiers despite the fact their absolute numbers of personnel is far less
Sick Boy
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On a serious note, all the countries involved should be doing what it can to take in refugees from the area, the situation over there is likely to get very nasty - it’s no good western countries just walking away and turning a blind eye to it.
COV
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From what I can see you’re right- even a quick google shows that us & USA were the belligerents, along with something called the ‘NATO Resolute Support Mission’ made up from different countries including the EU
COV
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This is one thing Boris Johnson can’t be blamed for, guess Blair is the one with questions to answer… I may be completely wrong on that though, might have got my needless foreign wars mixed up
Grendel
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This is one thing Boris Johnson can’t be blamed for, guess Blair is the one with questions to answer… I may be completely wrong on that though, might have got my needless foreign wars mixed up
I personally find it amusing you are effectively saying Obama is a warmonger - there was significant troop escalation in his time there - and trump a peacemaker
Grendel
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If we really want to be clever about this the two countries most responsible - Russia and China I doubt will be taking many refugees in and i suspect if they were then the Afghans will take their chances at home
shmmeee
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Humanitarianism isn’t a competition. JFC.
Grendel
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no one is saying it is. Biden has pretty much said they must live with it and I do believe you allied yourself to Biden didn’t you?
shmmeee
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What are you on about you child?
What anyone else does has no bearing on our ability to act with moral clarity in a humanitarian crisis.
“Allied yourself with Biden”
Yeah mate he’s just got back from signing the accord. You fucking lemon.Brighton Sky Blue
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I agree that it was 20 years, but I don't see what the objective was. They went in there to get Bin Laden, they killed him years ago and kept moving the goalposts to justify staying when it was clear they could never fully defeat the Taliban. Yes the collapse of the government so shortly after withdrawal confirms the whole thing was a failure, but this was the 21st century Vietnam. They never really had a clear objective on account of the military industrial complex's influence on America's foreign policy and by extension ours.
We have already allied ourselves to the most extremist Islamic regime in the world in any case.
Grendel
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What are you on about you child?
What anyone else does has no bearing on our ability to act with moral clarity in a humanitarian crisis.
“Allied yourself with Biden”
Biden has declared there will be no fifth president who has to deal with Afghanistan - he’s closed the door - he won’t be taking in refugees - he wants out - own it you suck up to him day in day out
Calling me a child when yesterday you had a bizarre flounce called someone a sausage and boldly declared you are muting him - well it’s hardly a threat like the Taliban is it
Sick Boy
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Wasn’t it Trump who started the withdrawal?
Sick Boy
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Yes and no. Trump declared a reduction in the numbers but didn't commit to getting every soldier out by a set date like Biden did.
skybluetony176
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Grendulls been on wiki to check again. Clearly it was just us and the US who invaded. That was certainly my memory of it and as I had two cousins in the British forces at the time and indeed part of the U.K./US coalition that invaded I was paying quite a bit of attention to what was happening at the time. Thanks for the confirmation that my memory was correct Grendull with your usual can’t argue the point so attack the messenger instead stance. Always confirmation that you were right in the first place.
skybluetony176
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Looks like Rory Stewart called it right again
To think he was in the running for Tory leader and we ended up with Boris who has today said “Afghanistan can’t be a breeding ground for terrorists”. Too late Boris, the horse has bolted. Clueless prick.
To think he was in the running for Tory leader and we ended up with Boris who has today said “Afghanistan can’t be a breeding ground for terrorists”. Too late Boris, the horse has bolted. Clueless prick.
shmmeee
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Afghanistan is always going to be geopolitically important
Are you OK?
I said Biden hasn’t got dementia and has generally been a decent president for people with a left wing economic agenda. That doesn’t mean I support every move he makes and it got less than fuck all to do with whether I think my country that I live in and that represent me should take in Afghani asylum seekers from a humanitarian crisis.
You sausage.
skybluetony176
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Boris Johnson remarks to the Commons 8th July: “I am sure they will be aware that there is no military path to victory for the Taliban...I do not believe that the Taliban are guaranteed the kind of victory that we sometimes read about.”
skybluetony176
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Would be funny if it wasn’t true
Brighton Sky Blue
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And yet it has never really been successfully conquered by an invading foreign force. Not the British Empire, USSR or the USA despite many years trying. So perhaps we should have realised that a lot sooner and come up with a different way of making it a functioning state
Grendel
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im fine thanks and well as for Biden point scoring let’s take a look - you were bigging him up the other day?
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So if they are thinking about making redundancies (which they are) then why not re-deploy existing staff to do the jobs of the temporary staff, if there is such a need to deal with a backlog of complaints? Because that is what shitty companies do. Instead of giving you a fair pay out they...
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Grendel
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