Grendel
Well-Known Member
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What's divisive about the Greens mate?
Disenfranchised?That's kind of what I'm getting at about disenfranchised.
thats better then most byelectionsWhat should be equally worrying for mainstream parties, is how disenfranchised the public are with them. The eyes of the nation were on this, there has probably been more focus and campaigning by all sides since I can remember in a mid term by-election and yet in total, they've still only managed to get 50% of the electorate out to actually vote.
What's divisive about the Greens mate? We've tried the endless centrist neoliberal nonsense, and all it's done is hugely extend wealth inequality and left most people feeling worse off than they were twenty or thirty years ago.
And now we're at a place where people are so unhappy that they are voting for literal racist nutters.
And in the meantime what are you and the other centrists offering? More of the same with a different colour tie?
Come off it, doing the same thing and expecting different results is actually the most irrational approach there is.
We've been waiting a long time for the magical centrist/centre-right beans to grow. It turns out that fairy tale doesn't have a happy ending.
Why select a white British woman as your candidate if you’re going all in on the Muslim vote?They put a video out in Urdu which included photos of Starmer next to Modi and Lammy next to Netanyahu then a photo bombed Palestine. They seemed to campaign with Palestinian and Pakistani flags. If you wanted to show you’re a party for all, why not have a British flag alongside those ?
Why select a white British woman as your candidate if you’re going all in on the Muslim vote?
lick everyone else votes for the party they think stands up for emand they're obviously voting for the one party they think they can manipulate.
I didn't say my grand kids. I'd be long dead.
Is it a fiction? I'm not saying it's all in that white people will be killed off etc. I'm pointing out that some areas are very much like it.
I've also said I don't think the answer is reform either. I'm not going to vote for farage so where do I sit? Who's policies will help me the most?
If you include all the bits that are and ignore all the bits that aren't then obviously they'll be extremely divisive.I was responding to the bits I found divisive
Is this a serious question?
Yes mate, the Great Replacement Theory is a literal racist fiction. And it is what you implied, your grandkids, their grandkids, having to wear burkas, it's the same difference.
If your complaint is about integration, that's going to be difficult to do whilst you're accusing one set of people of literally looking to replace or dominate another. Though that of course, is exactly what Farage and Tommy want - less brown people in the country, even if they were born here, work here, and pay their taxes here.
As for who you should vote for, that's probably depends on what you believe in, or who is going to do the best for you personally. Those things do not always align.
Until recently, it was always Labour for me, because I thought they were the party that was better for the country. Strong public services, humane welfare support for those that need it, fair levels of taxation to pay for it, moderate redistribution of wealth, improving worker's rights, and most importantly, more equality of opportunity so that poor kids get the same life chances as rich ones. No racists welcome.
Also we really need to try to stop the world burning or drowning, or all this becomes irrelevant.
For me, Labour left an awful lot of that behind chasing Tory, and now Reform voters. So the party that seems closer to those concepts, for me, is the Greens.
You could try this website, if you're genuinely interested in seeing who aligns with you. It's a bit out of date now, but it might give you a fair steer....
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If you include all the bits that are and ignore all the bits that aren't then obviously they'll be extremely divisive.
Politics is literally divisive.I mean that's kind of the point of answering "what is divisive?"
Not at all I’m just asking you who’ve decided that the Muslim community are colonising areas of the country with their anti women religion that it’s a surprise they’ve voted for the womanI'm confused, you're now trying to make out it's pro women because of it?
If you include all the bits that are and ignore all the bits that aren't then obviously they'll be extremely divisive.
Why select a white British woman as your candidate if you’re going all in on the Muslim vote?
The comments were that the Greens went all in on hoovering up the brown vote and didn't do much to show 'Britishness'. They selected a white British woman as their candidate.So Reform have some black and brown politicians, they can’t be divisive. Nonsense
The comments were that the Greens went all in on hoovering up the brown vote and didn't do much to show 'Britishness'. They selected a white British woman as their candidate.
Given how much we hear about how horrible towards white women Muslims are this seems an odd choice.
For a constituency with the demographic it has this campaign video is missing somethingAre you seriously trying to suggest they didn’t target the vote?
Agreed no easy answer thoughWhat should be equally worrying for mainstream parties, is how disenfranchised the public are with them. The eyes of the nation were on this, there has probably been more focus and campaigning by all sides since I can remember in a mid term by-election and yet in total, they've still only managed to get 50% of the electorate out to actually vote.
I think a lot of people are in the boat I am, and dont feel like any party represents them and are purely acting in self interest.What should be equally worrying for mainstream parties, is how disenfranchised the public are with them. The eyes of the nation were on this, there has probably been more focus and campaigning by all sides since I can remember in a mid term by-election and yet in total, they've still only managed to get 50% of the electorate out to actually vote.
Not at all I’m just asking you who’ve decided that the Muslim community are colonising areas of the country with their anti women religion that it’s a surprise they’ve voted for the woman
Doesn’t that show what sbt was saying
I’m not saying that there aren’t issues at all
It’s the new norm I agreeI love looking at underlying stats like this and was just googling myself. Think numbers available are 2021 and had already changed quite a bit in prior few years. I’m guessing across the ward Muslim population is now maybe around 33-35% (think it was 29% in 2021, 19% in 2011). Looks like Greens targeted them and that plus the threat of Reform got them out to vote en masse
Worryingly Reform and Greens and their fairytale divisive politics picked up 70%+. Hopefully this is just a mid term by election protest vote but I fear not.
The comments were that the Greens went all in on hoovering up the brown vote and didn't do much to show 'Britishness'. They selected a white British woman as their candidate.
Given how much we hear about how horrible towards white women Muslims are this seems an odd choice.
Obviously it's a serious question. Is this a serious question?
Do you want to engage on it or just chuck in pointless chaff.
Tbf if it means Sultana loses her seat, I'm all for it!Clearly not targeting the Muslim vote
on galloway in rochdaleWhy? George Galloway is white and British?
The comments were that the Greens went all in on hoovering up the brown vote and didn't do much to show 'Britishness'. They selected a white British woman as their candidate.
Given how much we hear about how horrible towards white women Muslims are this seems an odd choice.
Obviously it's a serious question. Is this a serious question?
Do you want to engage on it or just chuck in pointless chaff.
Nick genuine question, if you were to vote tomorrow who would you vote for.Christ.
Well being in Coventry, before any of the recent stuff I wouldn't have voted Green for obvious reasons.
Isn't their whole recent campaign divisive in itself? It's one big contradiction, the same as most of the extreme left stuff. Who do they pander to, LGBT or the people shouting Allahu Akbar? Saying to legalise crack and heroin is divisive. Wanting to hand out benefits the minute somebody steps into the country illegally is pretty divisive. Standing about with Pakistan flags outside polling stations is pretty divisive.
I was trying to engage but you were just shouting "conspiracy".
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