It's just more whataboutery. Ah you must be a Tommy fan, a Farage fan or other RW insult. It's deflection and yet it works time and time again, because nobody likes being labelled racist and its intention is to shut down sensible debate.Where are you getting that from? I posted less than half an hour ago calling him a c**t who preys on people who are "stranded" politically.
Must be another weird thing like when you try to get likes from imagining I'm small and round.
Afraid of reprisals from the wider community and prefer to say we're working with them. If that were true it would be the right thing to do, but the communities know fek all will happen and many of them take the piss. Any opportunity, just shout racist and failing that, protest/riot until there is a climbdown. Until the Imam's start actually calling out their own and helping the police not just soundbite statements, then nothing will change. The mosques are pretty much harbouring known offenders.
It's just more whataboutery. Ah you must be a Tommy fan, a Farage fan or other RW insult. It's deflection and yet it works time and time again, because nobody likes being labelled racist and its intention is to shut down sensible debate.
Take the Hillsborough disaster, Grenfell and post office scandals as examples. The common denominator is that the victims were ordinary people who were up against people in positions of authority and power and have had to fight ridiculously hard for justice.Yep money now dictates right from wrong in the USA and certainly dictates access to justice in the uk
tries to deflect with "what about the British nonces".
You're assuming its deflecting and I think that's a cop out and it's lazy. People pointing out that the amount of chat re: grooming gangs on here and in wider circles being easy to find vs. chat about horrific sh*t carried out by other ethnicities is, in my experience, challenging people to reflect on whether their issue is with the horrific sh*t or the people doing it.
Jon Stewart said it best. 'You have to be consistent with your outrage'. I think what you're calling 'deflection' is people challenging you or others to be consistent. I browse here a lot and it just isn't the way it is i.e. there's a massive outrage bias towards certain stories.
So you just deflected from his challenge to your consistency?This is another issue, you are saying to be consistent with your outrage but you are the worst for being inconsistent.
The deflection is just that, it's not challenging consistency. What have I been inconsistent about? Have a look through threads where it's a white person carrying out something shocking (the one who attacked the BBC guys family with a crossbow was white?).
All you are doing is proving my point, you are spouting random shite to try and deflect from the points made Get back in the Israel thread telling people you are ashamed to be a city fan because they aren't as angry as you about it. I don't know if it's a self awareness thing but the biggest hypocrites on here don't even realise it.
So you just deflected from his challenge to your consistency?
This is another issue, you are saying to be consistent with your outrage but you are the worst for being inconsistent.
The deflection is just that, it's not challenging consistency. What have I been inconsistent about? Have a look through threads where it's a white person carrying out something shocking (the one who attacked the BBC guys family with a crossbow was white?).
All you are doing is proving my point, you are spouting random shite to try and deflect from the points made Get back in the Israel thread telling people you are ashamed to be a city fan because they aren't as angry as you about it. I don't know if it's a self awareness thing but the biggest hypocrites on here don't even realise it.
You are, in fairness, absolutely consistent with wanting anyone found guilty of sexual crimes to be murdered in some of the most creative ways possible.
A question re the whole grooming gang thing: without looking, I’d imagine that whilst there are many Muslim perpetrators they will primarily be British citizens. Given we can’t deport British citizens to anywhere else, what would be your policy solution to it all?
Ok, whatever!I was being polite for hypocritical.
Starmer could be in bed with your Mrs and you would tuck him in and go and shout about farage being at fault.
It says in the post you quotedOk, whatever!
Talk about whataboutery
In what way am I a hypocrite
You are, in fairness, absolutely consistent with wanting anyone found guilty of sexual crimes to be murdered in some of the most creative ways possible.
A question re the whole grooming gang thing: without looking, I’d imagine that whilst there are many Muslim perpetrators they will primarily be British citizens. Given we can’t deport British citizens to anywhere else, what would be your policy solution to it all?
Yep criminality can’t be condoned it’s not just one community thoughExactly.
Labour mayor 'helped hide evidence' after son was arrested for rape
Naheed Ejaz, 61, delayed letting police in to give her son, Diwan Khan, 41, time to hide a phone with video of the alleged rape on it, a court has heard.www.express.co.uk
You have actual terrorists allowed to stand for election in Birmingham.
Communities have to change how they protect people like it because they are "brothers". This also goes for rich people too.....
you are the worst for being inconsistent..
I literally said it wasn't one but still, best deflect from a certain one.Yep criminality can’t be condoned it’s not just one community though
again, name and shame. on what issue(s)?
Anything to not discuss the point though, right?
I got to the point a while ago and it was quite clear.Feel free to arrive at the point at any time, Nick. I stand by what I said about Gaza. It's shameful to me that any fan of a factory team in a city destroyed by fascists would even hint at being an apologist for the Israeli regime and try to find justification for what they're doing.
I assume you've picked that as you think that shows some kind of inconsistency of outrage. If you can one example where I've sided with the oppressor and not the oppressed, feel free to share it and I'll cop to being a dickhead. Otherwise, nah.
I'm not going to be preached to about being from Coventry on a ccfc forum from somebody who was begging for wasps tickets about morals.
anyway, I cba clogging up a thread with back and forth between us so DM me if you want. Hopefully neither of us cba with that and we leave it be.
People routinely drive away from car accidents this is not the gotcha you think it is for one communityThat is what a big part of the problem is I think. A lot of it is second generation, not even people that have just rocked up and can claim not to know any better. It raises a lot of questions about integration on a wider scale.
I think the point of reference is that you’d be ashamed to share support of a club with someone who doesn’t defend the actions of a prescribed terrorist group. It’s a bit strange to say the least.
Hahaha! I figured that one would get wheeled out next. Why do you even post in here? You can't go one round of back and forth without cracking out the personal insults. It's mad to me.
You say certain people won't discuss certain things and just deflect, and within two posts of a certain person challenging what you've said you've made it personal twice. Come on! FFS.
Firstly, I agree with you on the overall point of animal testing.Shocking - the government is becoming like the Stasi
‘Sneaky’ Law Change Could Criminalise Peaceful Protest Against Animal Testing | Naturewatch Foundation
Naturewatch Foundation is urging MPs to vote against a Statutory Instrument that represents an attack on democratic protest and transparency of animal testing.naturewatch.org
It was about people cheering grannies getting arrested en masse for saying they support a group who's proscribing was IMO a political move to appease a genocidal regime. I'm good with what I've said and the thought that went into my position. If we wanna talk about that we've got a thread for it so if either of us cba to talk it over, we can head over there. Hopefully neither of us cba to have that same chat again, though. I think we covered it the first time.
Firstly, I agree with you on the overall point of animal testing.
I'm sure that piece isn't entirely unbiased and it's not the 'they're saying places where they hurt puppies are protected infrastructure!" they're making out. Many of the facilities will do many things that are vital in terms of science and research.
But you have seemed very much in favour of peaceful protestors being convicted for blocking 'protected infrastructure' for other campaigns. Many of those campaigners would claim that the facilities they chose do enormous environmental and health damage with things like air or water pollution etc. hence why they believe they are viable targets for peaceful protest. Why the sudden outrage now just because it's a cause you care deeply for?
To be fair Pete, when it comes to these topics you're the most random.
Starmer could be caught on epsteins island and you would be trying to blame farage for it.
To you and Nick we had a very costly report done that the recommendations are still not done up till nowTbf to Nick, I don't think it's about naming who doesn't participate and certainly no shame on them for not wanting to be labelled. I think the key is that as soon as a particular ethnicity/religion of the majority (not all) of the gangs, particularly in a geographical area of the north of England, the same 'lazy' argument is just to shout 'racist'. That doesn't achieve anything, certainly not fixing the problem or helping the victims. 100% accept that TR etc all jump on that bandwagon to hide behind whilst being racist and that certainly doesn't help either.
His other point on the whataboutery of 'yeah, but British nonces' also carries no weight imo We know we have cunts of our own, nobody is saying don't deal with them too, but the particular problem with a certain demographic seems to almost endemic and should be addressed. I genuinely believe that authorities are too scared to act properly as they should for fear of reprisals and that's not a great place to be.
People routinely drive away from car accidents this is not the gotcha you think it is for one community
Families defend families
Friends defend
Christians defend Christians
Muslims defend Muslims
it raises a lot of questions about decency and power and greed and money and integrity and justice
Damn straightTake the Hillsborough disaster, Grenfell and post office scandals as examples. The common denominator is that the victims were ordinary people who were up against people in positions of authority and power and have had to fight ridiculously hard for justice.
The victims of grooming gangs and sexual exploitation are some of the most vulnerable and least well off of all. So it doesn't surprise me that their voices have been the most ignored of all too. I don't think this comes down to authorities wanting to protect the perpetrators, I do think it comes down to them not caring about the victims. The net result of course is the same.
The justice system was fine when it was putting people in prison for tweeting within a couple of weeks?To you and Nick we had a very costly report done that the recommendations are still not done up till now
Pretty sure the person with the most goodwill towards prosecuting pakistani grooming gangs spoke very highly of the work put in by Starmer changing some of the rules to make it possible
Why aren’t people demanding action?
Why aren’t people demanding proper funding for children and adult social care?
When is it we will do something about the root causes rather than taking swipes at people in leadership who have little influence over how everything works
As I said Starmer has shown himself to be a pretty poor and naive pm and because I haven’t spent 18 months saying he’s the worst pm in 150 years I want him to sleep with my wife
Fundamentally the issue with justice in this country has nothing to do with racism it’s all money. We don’t spend enough on the criminal justice system and it’s gone beyond breaking and the only way you get any justice is if you can pay or know someone in a position of power
What can we do about that?
We can say it’s immigrants or immigrations fault or this or the community and point fingers at individuals that aren’t us or groups that we aren’t part of or we can get off our arses and do something about it and I don’t mean vote
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