Do you want to discuss boring politics? (25 Viewers)

[rob9872]

Where are you getting that from? I posted less than half an hour ago calling him a c**t who preys on people who are "stranded" politically.

Must be another weird thing like when you try to get likes from imagining I'm small and round.

It's just more whataboutery. Ah you must be a Tommy fan, a Farage fan or other RW insult. It's deflection and yet it works time and time again, because nobody likes being labelled racist and its intention is to shut down sensible debate.

 

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[Nick]

Afraid of reprisals from the wider community and prefer to say we're working with them. If that were true it would be the right thing to do, but the communities know fek all will happen and many of them take the piss. Any opportunity, just shout racist and failing that, protest/riot until there is a climbdown. Until the Imam's start actually calling out their own and helping the police not just soundbite statements, then nothing will change. The mosques are pretty much harbouring known offenders.

Exactly.

Labour mayor 'helped hide evidence' after son was arrested for rape

Naheed Ejaz, 61, delayed letting police in to give her son, Diwan Khan, 41, time to hide a phone with video of the alleged rape on it, a court has heard.

www.express.co.uk

You have actual terrorists allowed to stand for election in Birmingham.

Communities have to change how they protect people like it because they are "brothers". This also goes for rich people too.....

 

[Nick]

It's just more whataboutery. Ah you must be a Tommy fan, a Farage fan or other RW insult. It's deflection and yet it works time and time again, because nobody likes being labelled racist and its intention is to shut down sensible debate.

Funny really. The same sort of behaviour during the sisu era from a "gang" of middle aged white blokes led by a certain bloke who's come under a lot of scrutiny about grooming gangs.. their favourite was "you work for sisu" and trying to get in touch with employers if anybody said anything about the council.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yep money now dictates right from wrong in the USA and certainly dictates access to justice in the uk

Take the Hillsborough disaster, Grenfell and post office scandals as examples. The common denominator is that the victims were ordinary people who were up against people in positions of authority and power and have had to fight ridiculously hard for justice.

The victims of grooming gangs and sexual exploitation are some of the most vulnerable and least well off of all. So it doesn't surprise me that their voices have been the most ignored of all too. I don't think this comes down to authorities wanting to protect the perpetrators, I do think it comes down to them not caring about the victims. The net result of course is the same.

 

[mmttww]

tries to deflect with "what about the British nonces".

You're assuming its deflecting and I think that's a cop out and it's lazy. People pointing out that the amount of chat re: grooming gangs on here and in wider circles being easy to find vs. chat about horrific sh*t carried out by other ethnicities is, in my experience, challenging people to reflect on whether their issue is with the horrific sh*t or the people doing it.

Jon Stewart said it best. 'You have to be consistent with your outrage'. I think what you're calling 'deflection' is people challenging you or others to be consistent. I browse here a lot and it just isn't the way it is i.e. there's an outrage bias re: certain stories.

 

[Nick]

You're assuming its deflecting and I think that's a cop out and it's lazy. People pointing out that the amount of chat re: grooming gangs on here and in wider circles being easy to find vs. chat about horrific sh*t carried out by other ethnicities is, in my experience, challenging people to reflect on whether their issue is with the horrific sh*t or the people doing it.

Jon Stewart said it best. 'You have to be consistent with your outrage'. I think what you're calling 'deflection' is people challenging you or others to be consistent. I browse here a lot and it just isn't the way it is i.e. there's a massive outrage bias towards certain stories.

This is another issue, you are saying to be consistent with your outrage but you are the worst for being inconsistent.

The deflection is just that, it's not challenging consistency. What have I been inconsistent about? Have a look through threads where it's a white person carrying out something shocking (the one who attacked the BBC guys family with a crossbow was white?).

All you are doing is proving my point, you are spouting random shite to try and deflect from the points made Get back in the Israel thread telling people you are ashamed to be a city fan because they aren't as angry as you about it. I don't know if it's a self awareness thing but the biggest hypocrites on here don't even realise it.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

This is another issue, you are saying to be consistent with your outrage but you are the worst for being inconsistent.

The deflection is just that, it's not challenging consistency. What have I been inconsistent about? Have a look through threads where it's a white person carrying out something shocking (the one who attacked the BBC guys family with a crossbow was white?).

All you are doing is proving my point, you are spouting random shite to try and deflect from the points made Get back in the Israel thread telling people you are ashamed to be a city fan because they aren't as angry as you about it. I don't know if it's a self awareness thing but the biggest hypocrites on here don't even realise it.

So you just deflected from his challenge to your consistency?

 

[Nick]

So you just deflected from his challenge to your consistency?

I didn't though, I responded to that.

You aren't clever enough to try and do what you do. You act like the internet and trying to be a c**t on it is a new thing, do it properly or give up.

You are also just proving the point.

 

[SBAndy]

This is another issue, you are saying to be consistent with your outrage but you are the worst for being inconsistent.

The deflection is just that, it's not challenging consistency. What have I been inconsistent about? Have a look through threads where it's a white person carrying out something shocking (the one who attacked the BBC guys family with a crossbow was white?).

All you are doing is proving my point, you are spouting random shite to try and deflect from the points made Get back in the Israel thread telling people you are ashamed to be a city fan because they aren't as angry as you about it. I don't know if it's a self awareness thing but the biggest hypocrites on here don't even realise it.

You are, in fairness, absolutely consistent with wanting anyone found guilty of sexual crimes to be murdered in some of the most creative ways possible.

A question re the whole grooming gang thing: without looking, I’d imagine that whilst there are many Muslim perpetrators they will primarily be British citizens. Given we can’t deport British citizens to anywhere else, what would be your policy solution to it all?

 

[wingy]

Given that change's to the law etc over the last twenty year's specifically the rape law's, I wouldn't hold out to much hope here, and as I've said previously there are leaders in America who seem aufet with some of the values in the Muslim community, just finished reading about an honour killing of a Turkish girl who was raped.

 

[wingy]

Kids have no hope today of recieving justice when people and I think you know what I mean here, people who inhabit the world of Blair and his ilk just see them as something to be exploited both morally and financially.

 

[Nick]

You are, in fairness, absolutely consistent with wanting anyone found guilty of sexual crimes to be murdered in some of the most creative ways possible.

A question re the whole grooming gang thing: without looking, I’d imagine that whilst there are many Muslim perpetrators they will primarily be British citizens. Given we can’t deport British citizens to anywhere else, what would be your policy solution to it all?

Oh no, I know it isn't a case of deport everybody. I think personally the communities should be looked at and punished as well. I'm not saying send every member of a mosque (or high rollers gentlemans club) to prison but let's face it, they will cover things up and defend their brothers to the death, even if they have been grooming kids.

"Grooming Gangs" and People in HMOs and hotels who are here illegally and carry out the crimes are 2 kettles of fish although the mentallity and the beliefs are the same.

There are people like Jess Phillips who bang on about women's rights and rightly be outraged when that copper raped and killed the woman a few years ago. As soon as anything is said about somebody being muslim and their beliefs there's silence.

It isn't just the grooming or the rape cases, there's the Manchester Airport thing. It kicked off outside the police station, you had that prick lawyer and their victim poses. People genuinally belief they had done nothing wrong and were victims simply because of their religion and backed them. Have a look at that Lawyer's views on women as well....

The thing that sums it up best are the people like "gays or trans for palestine", they want to come across as heroes for as many causes but it contradicts. Much like people on here sometimes who want to be fighting for every trending cause.