It's a ploy to get Starmer out of here and alongside Blair on the board of peace!
Also now the UN is pretty much defunct could David be on for a return to the UK?
It's a ploy to get Starmer out of here and alongside Blair on the board of peace!He’d have to it can’t be worse can it?
thats wut they need tho
I'm fairly sure it's because of and not proof that this downturn is supplier generated.It will help but they need to deliver, that’s what the country cares about. Sums up the party that there’s talk of Rayner being a potential challenger after she had to resign due to some unfortunate tax issues but more importantly her former department is currently overseeing the worst housing building numbers for years/decades in Londons case.
I'm fairly sure it's because of and not proof that this downturn is supplier generated.
It's also the image that they believe (probably correctly) that the British public want from someone in that job.That mamood is also a piece with her ideas for the police, not sure what it is with these home secretaries, but they all fit the strict category, nothing soft about these women.
Given the NEC is loaded with Starmer loyalists this was always a possibility but one I thought they might try and avoid because of how weak it makes Starmer look.‘Huge mistake’: Labour in turmoil as Burnham blocked from byelection race
Allies of Greater Manchester mayor say No 10 has ‘chosen factionalism’ as decision leads to a furious backlashwww.theguardian.com
Given the NEC is loaded with Starmer loyalists this was always a possibility but one I thought they might try and avoid because of how weak it makes Starmer look.
The other option would be to convincingly see off any challenge. This course of action very much leaves the impression he is not confident of his ability to do that.The choice for Starmer was look weak or face losing his job to Burnham. It's probably only a temporary reprieve, as I can't see him still being Prime Minister by the time of the autumn party conference.
Well and truly in scraping the barrel territory
How the fuck do you present yourself as an alternative when half your party is from a failed government, people won't fall for this surely?
Suella Braverman accuses Tories of betrayal as she defects to Reform UK
The MP was unveiled as Reform's latest recruit by leader Nigel Farage at a rally, bringing the number of the party's sitting MPs to eight.www.bbc.co.uk
Doesn’t the public want the nutters approachGives the Tories an outside chance to reset as well. If the government get control of immigration Reform have ended up with the nutters and main message gone
Doesn’t the public want the nutters approach
The only shocking thing about Braverman defecting is how long it took. It is also true that the Conservative Party has been 'purging' members on the right of the party to preemptively strike against defections so it makes sense the likes of Braverman and Jenrick to leave.Gives the Tories an outside chance to reset as well. If the government get control of immigration Reform have ended up with the nutters and main message gone
Shovel loads of cash to their rich friends would be the answer, but like other snake oil salesmen, coming up with the right pitch for this to deceive ordinary voters requires some thought.The only shocking thing about Braverman defecting is how long it took. It is also true that the Conservative Party has been 'purging' members on the right of the party to preemptively strike against defections so it makes sense the likes of Braverman and Jenrick to leave.
Reform need to start talking more about the economy now. Jenrick is now 'shadow chancellor' yet, can anyone tell you what his economic ideas are?
Farage is on record saying he wants to stage a reverse takeover of the Tory party. The hard deadline of 7th May is designed to put maximum pressure to would-be defectors.Well and truly in scraping the barrel territory
How the fuck do you present yourself as an alternative when half your party is from a failed government, people won't fall for this surely?
Suella Braverman accuses Tories of betrayal as she defects to Reform UK
The MP was unveiled as Reform's latest recruit by leader Nigel Farage at a rally, bringing the number of the party's sitting MPs to eight.www.bbc.co.uk
It will ultimately lead to another two party set up that is just more polarised than it used to be, which is a bad thing in my view. The consequence of one major party able but unwilling to help on cost of living and the other willing but not able.Farage is on record saying he wants to stage a reverse takeover of the Tory party. The hard deadline of 7th May is designed to put maximum pressure to would-be defectors.
Braverman and Jenrick are popular with grassroot Tories precisely because they lambasted the Tory record. These are ultimately the people Reform need to win over and if they smash the stubborn 20% of the electorate who’d consider voting Tory (like myself), they win the election. Right now, there’s a narrative that there’s a ‘Kemi bounce’ and Reform have ‘peaked’ in the polls so it’s no surprise
What’s interesting now is that it’s clear that the Tories and Reform are in a fight to the death and there can only be one winner. Cooperation on any level seemed like a remote in the first place, now it seems impossible.
There are Labour MPs who are naturally more aligned with the Greens and/or Your Party and when it becomes clear Labour is finished, they will realign themselves. My view is that Reform’s rise is potentially the start of a huge realignment in UK politics.
You can’t really be ‘anti-establishment’ if you’re odds-on to form the next government…'The anti-establishment party - hahahaha!
In the short term, probably. Longer term, a new consensus probably emerges, what that looks like is anyone’s guess. The rise of the Labour Party was similar but then they became establishment, the post-war consensus settled in and before Thatcher, you had ‘Buttskellism’ where there was little daylight between the Labour and Conservative parties.It will ultimately lead to another two party set up that is just more polarised than it used to be, which is a bad thing in my view. The consequence of one major party able but unwilling to help on cost of living and the other willing but not able.
I disagree entirely with the last few sentences but agree with the rest.You can’t really be ‘anti-establishment’ if you’re odds-on to form the next government…
It’s a pattern that happens with any party who comes from the fringes to government.
In the short term, probably. Longer term, a new consensus probably emerges, what that looks like is anyone’s guess. The rise of the Labour Party was similar but then they became establishment, the post-war consensus settled in and before Thatcher, you had ‘Buttskellism’ where there was little daylight between the Labour and Conservative parties.
In short, what is being alleged today but unlike the 70/80s, politics has fragmented and old party loyalties have eroded and therefore, up for grabs.
After all, Reform is now arguably the party of the working class and Labour is the party of private school students. A completely unrecognisable landscape.
What it will eventually trigger imo is proportional representation and coalition governments. I still can't make my mind up if that's a good or bad thing, but feels inevitable. The only reason FPPT exists is because it suits the two main parties who each move boundaries and gain full control on about 25% of the electorate.You can’t really be ‘anti-establishment’ if you’re odds-on to form the next government…
It’s a pattern that happens with any party who comes from the fringes to government.
In the short term, probably. Longer term, a new consensus probably emerges, what that looks like is anyone’s guess. The rise of the Labour Party was similar but then they became establishment, the post-war consensus settled in and before Thatcher, you had ‘Buttskellism’ where there was little daylight between the Labour and Conservative parties.
In short, what is being alleged today but unlike the 70/80s, politics has fragmented and old party loyalties have eroded and therefore, up for grabs.
After all, Reform is now arguably the party of the working class and Labour is the party of private school students. A completely unrecognisable landscape.
You can disagree all you want, but it’s what the polling is showing. It follows a trend of collapsing working class support for centre-left parties across Europe.I disagree entirely with the last few sentences but agree with the rest.
What I mean is these parties replacing them are all out on the grift and don’t have working class interests at heart in the slightest. Labour haven’t acted like a centre left party since Starmer came in to be clear.You can disagree all you want, but it’s what the polling is showing. It follows a trend of collapsing working class support for centre-left parties across Europe.
PR is terrible imo. Imagine being governed by coalitions that no one actually voted for?What it will eventually trigger imo is proportional representation and coalition governments. I still can't make my mind up if that's a good or bad thing, but feels inevitable. The only reason FPPT exists is because it suits the two main parties who each move boundaries and gain full control on about 25% of the electorate.
It’s not a grift, these parties are occupying a vacuum left by the trade union movement/political left.What I mean is these parties replacing them are all out on the grift and don’t have working class interests at heart in the slightest. Labour haven’t acted like a centre left party since Starmer came in to be clear.
It is a grift because as the Republicans in the US have already shown, when they get in they will actually hurt most the voters you’re talking about. The endgame is usually a big tax heist.It’s not a grift, these parties are occupying a vacuum left by the trade union movement/political left.
I’d agree on the final sentence, from 1997 to present day, both Tory and Labour have been wedded to Blairite consensus. Blair himself being a Thatcher’s ‘biggest political accomplishment’.
Just wait until all these former tories start trying to stab Farage in the back
The likes of Jenrick and Braverman are all about their own prestige and ambition. No way are they going to be happy as Farage's lackeys. Only a matter of time before they start creating unrest.Just wait until all these former tories start trying to stab Farage in the back
We have two houses in Parliament. We can have both.What it will eventually trigger imo is proportional representation and coalition governments. I still can't make my mind up if that's a good or bad thing, but feels inevitable. The only reason FPPT exists is because it suits the two main parties who each move boundaries and gain full control on about 25% of the electorate.
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