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chiefdave

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  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,571
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Starmer and Reeves refuse to go on GB News
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GB News claims they are an entertainment channel not a news channel to avoid scrutiny from Ofcom so why should Starmer and Reeves go on there?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,572
chiefdave said:
GB News claims they are an entertainment channel not a news channel to avoid scrutiny from Ofcom so why should Starmer and Reeves go on there?
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As proven on the last page it’s not even true they refuse to go on.
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,573
Brighton Sky Blue said:
As proven on the last page it’s not even true they refuse to go on.
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Don't bring facts into the politics thread
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,574
chiefdave said:
Don't bring facts into the politics thread
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So much of what Farage UK does is a cheap imitation of Trump. Try to create personality cults, have ‘entrance music’ to rallies, ‘DOGE’, attack the press instead of handle questions etc etc. No original thinking, no substance, just racist dog whistling.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,575
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So much of what Farage UK does is a cheap imitation of Trump. Try to create personality cults, have ‘entrance music’ to rallies, ‘DOGE’, attack the press instead of handle questions etc etc. No original thinking, no substance, just racist dog whistling.
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Trump and Farage both have a cult like following. And yes you can to a certain extent apply the same to some figures on the left but I don't think it's at the same scale.

Look at the response to the Farage school stuff. Just not prepared to accept it could possibly have happened, making every excuse they can think of for him. I don't get why people would blindly follow anyone in politics but the control Trump and Farage have over their supporters is a whole other level.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,576
chiefdave said:
Trump and Farage both have a cult like following. And yes you can to a certain extent apply the same to some figures on the left but I don't think it's at the same scale.

Look at the response to the Farage school stuff. Just not prepared to accept it could possibly have happened, making every excuse they can think of for him. I don't get why people would blindly follow anyone in politics but the control Trump and Farage have over their supporters is a whole other level.
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Likeability matters more in politics and the world in general than most other things. Have it and you get cut more slack; Trump despite an appalling second term still is on 35% approval where basically anyone else would be low 20s.

Farage is seen as ‘one of the lads’ so the excuses come out whenever he’s in a bit of trouble. Johnson too, the clown act got him a lot further than a lazy toerag like him should have got and it took off the scale sleaze and corruption for him to eventually become unpopular.

We then wonder why our politicians aren’t good at their jobs.
 
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LarryGrayson

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  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,577
chiefdave said:
GB News claims they are an entertainment channel not a news channel to avoid scrutiny from Ofcom so why should Starmer and Reeves go on there?
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yea but what about smash hits
 
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ccfcno9

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  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,578
Brighton Sky Blue said:
As proven on the last page it’s not even true they refuse to go on.
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Its often stated on the channel that he's been repeatedly asked to appear and always refuse's the interview above was at Labour party conference not GB news studio's. The stupid bastard probably got confused when asked to take questions from Chris Hope and that it was not Chris Mason of the BBC. Could you upload a link of him being on GB news.
 

mmttww

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  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,579
Mucca Mad Boys said:
the reason the BBC is getting flak is because it claims impartiality whilst promoting liberal worldviews.
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Can you show your working here? i.e. an example of where they've actually promoted a liberal worldview.

Edit: also trying to unpick how Labour ministers not being in a rush to go on GB News is any kind of stick to beat them with. It's the most blatantly biased pile of sh*t I've ever seen in the UK. Just a Temu version of Fox, a megaphone for right wing spanners.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,580
mmttww said:
Can you show your working here? i.e. an example of where they've actually promoted a liberal worldview.
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Have you not looked into leaked memo last month?

Of 219 push notifications on the BBC News app, just 4 were concerning illegal migrants/asylum seekers. 3 of those were concerned with their poor living conditions.

Maya Forstater’s report claims that on Trans issues, BBC reporting uses activist language and refused to air ‘gender-critical’ stories. For example, Martine Croxhall was reprimanded for refusing to read ‘pregnant people’ with ‘women’.

The most blatant example is splicing up Trump’s speeches.
 

mmttww

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  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,581
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Have you not looked into leaked memo last month?

Of 219 push notifications on the BBC News app, just 4 were concerning illegal migrants/asylum seekers. 3 of those were concerned with their poor living conditions.

Maya Forstater’s report claims that on Trans issues, BBC reporting uses activist language and refused to air ‘gender-critical’ stories. For example, Martine Croxhall was reprimanded for refusing to read ‘pregnant people’ with ‘women’.

The most blatant example is splicing up Trump’s speeches.
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so promoting a liberal worldview is not screaming about asylum seekers, using a few words on a particular topic and making a convicted criminal who incited violence look a bit worse than he already did? Got it. Hardcore Leftie propaganda right there.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,582
It’s obvious when someone from the UK has gone down Twitter rabbit holes and starts conflating left-wing/liberal.
 
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LarryGrayson

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  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,583
Sick Boy said:
It’s obvious when someone from the UK has gone down Twitter rabbit holes and starts conflating left-wing/liberal.
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and using the word leftists
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,584
LarryGrayson said:
and using the word leftists
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Exactly. PERIOD!
 
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oscillatewildly

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  • Dec 6, 2025
  • #59,585
Grendel said:
Well as a student she wanted Tony Blair assassinated
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Can't knock her for that.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,586
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Have you not looked into leaked memo last month?

Of 219 push notifications on the BBC News app, just 4 were concerning illegal migrants/asylum seekers. 3 of those were concerned with their poor living conditions.

Maya Forstater’s report claims that on Trans issues, BBC reporting uses activist language and refused to air ‘gender-critical’ stories. For example, Martine Croxhall was reprimanded for refusing to read ‘pregnant people’ with ‘women’.

The most blatant example is splicing up Trump’s speeches.
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I know right. It’s almost like there’s bigger issues in the country or indeed the world. What on earth could be relegating the only two serious news stories in the world (how to stop immigration and trans people taking over the world, obviously) to mere footnotes when we live in a world without wars, genocides, famine, the effects of climate change, no celebrities ever die, no schools are falling down, education standards have never been higher, the wealth gap has never been smaller, no children are living in abject poverty, cancer has been cured etc etc. it’s almost as if the BBC doesn’t want to talk about the only two real issues facing the world, thank god for GB News who thankfully talk about nothing else.
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,587
My recent encounter with A and E shows the actual issue is at least half the people should just be sent home with a box of paracetamol

Numbers leaving A&E without treatment triples in six years

Sharp rise in waiting times has led to ‘shocking’ rise in untreated patients leaving NHS emergency departments in England, data shows
www.theguardian.com
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,588
Grendel said:
My recent encounter with A and E shows the actual issue is at least half the people should just be sent home with a box of paracetamol

Numbers leaving A&E without treatment triples in six years

Sharp rise in waiting times has led to ‘shocking’ rise in untreated patients leaving NHS emergency departments in England, data shows
www.theguardian.com
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I’d never heard of people not having a gp before the last few years now I know loads of young people that don’t
If they get poorly it’s a and e
Maddening
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,589
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’d never heard of people not having a gp before the last few years now I know loads of young people that don’t
If they get poorly it’s a and e
Maddening
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Most weren’t young. Most also had fuck all wrong with them
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,590
Grendel said:
Most weren’t young. Most also had fuck all wrong with them
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I don’t know what’s happened
I’d like to say there’s not enough primary care but there is pharmacy and gp support before a and e it’s a strange one
Maybe nhs need to get into schools an educate people on how it all works
Hope you got the care you needed
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,591
Sky Blue Pete said:
I don’t know what’s happened
I’d like to say there’s not enough primary care but there is pharmacy and gp support before a and e it’s a strange one
Maybe nhs need to get into schools an educate people on how it all works
Hope you got the care you needed
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Charge £10 for an appointment if you’ve walked in
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,592
Grendel said:
Most weren’t young. Most also had fuck all wrong with them
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Totally agree with this.

When I was in there last it was people in there for stomach aches, head aches or because something didnt feel right.

One in there for pain killers for a tooth infection.

Sounds ridiculous but I do think some older people go there for something to do and something to talk about with people.

At the same time there was a woman in there late 20's loudly talking about how shes always here as she has a chronic illness and neither her or her husband can work, but they have 4 kids.
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,593
At a time of our 2nd defeat & City wide mourning. Shockingly there remain persons who wish to discuss the politics of a United Kingdom in managed decline.
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,594
Ccfcisparks said:
Totally agree with this.

When I was in there last it was people in there for stomach aches, head aches or because something didnt feel right.

One in there for pain killers for a tooth infection.

Sounds ridiculous but I do think some older people go there for something to do and something to talk about with people.

At the same time there was a woman in there late 20's loudly talking about how shes always here as she has a chronic illness and neither her or her husband can work, but they have 4 kids.
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One bloke was shouting he’d left his smokes at home and was asking the staff if they had one

There were no seats and some woman was lying across 3. She told me to fuck if as she had been there for 10 hours and needed a kip
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,595
Grendel said:
One bloke was shouting he’d left his smokes at home and was asking the staff if they had one

There were no seats and some woman was lying across 3. She told me to fuck if as she had been there for 10 hours and needed a kip
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Its just a total mess. People were in there for hours and hours. I was sent as my GP couldnt be arsed to see me. My "Consultation" when at A&E there was 2 minutes"

I think like you said, if there was a charge of even £10 applied to it would deter a lot of people.
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,596
Ccfcisparks said:
Its just a total mess. People were in there for hours and hours. I was sent as my GP couldnt be arsed to see me. My "Consultation" when at A&E there was 2 minutes"

I think like you said, if there was a charge of even £10 applied to it would deter a lot of people.
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On the other hand, there is an argument that people’s reluctance to seek healthcare is even more damaging, and we already have evidence of this costing the taxpayer https://www.health.org.uk/features-...-care-isn-t-a-credible-fix-for-our-nhs-crisis

It seems clear to me that investing in health services (i.e GPs) so that A&E is not the most obvious and accessible first port of call for any health issue would go a long way to improving the situation.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,597
Grendel said:
My recent encounter with A and E shows the actual issue is at least half the people should just be sent home with a box of paracetamol

Numbers leaving A&E without treatment triples in six years

Sharp rise in waiting times has led to ‘shocking’ rise in untreated patients leaving NHS emergency departments in England, data shows
www.theguardian.com
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The country that supposedly adores the much beloved NHS has abused it for way too long. Many can’t be arsed to do even minimal exercise (25-30% obese), 23 million missed medical appts a year (8m hospital/15m GP) and vast numbers of unnecessary ambulance call outs.

No personal responsibility, yet even the mention of changing anything and there’s uproar…so we’ll just continue to throw billions more at it every year and hope everything will be fine (spoiler - it won’t be)
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,598
SBT said:
On the other hand, there is an argument that people’s reluctance to seek healthcare is even more damaging, and we already have evidence of this costing the taxpayer https://www.health.org.uk/features-...-care-isn-t-a-credible-fix-for-our-nhs-crisis

It seems clear to me that investing in health services (i.e GPs) so that A&E is not the most obvious and accessible first port of call for any health issue would go a long way to improving the situation.
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Most people there will definitely have a facility to see a doctor
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,599
Grendel said:
Most people there will definitely have a facility to see a doctor
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Why only most?
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,600
SBT said:
Why only most?
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I would assume they all have the facility available? Why not?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,601
SBT said:
Why only most?
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You don’t have to so some will inevitably not have a gp
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,602
Grendel said:
I would assume they all have the facility available? Why not?
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Well you tell me - it’s you who said most instead of all.

I think most people on here will have stories about being encouraged to visit A&E when they’ve tried to see a GP. Happened to us as recently as this week.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,603
SBT said:
Well you tell me - it’s you who said most instead of all.

I think most people on here will have stories about being encouraged to visit A&E when they’ve tried to see a GP. Happened to us as recently as this week.
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You don’t have a GP?
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,604
Ccfcisparks said:
I was sent as my GP couldnt be arsed to see me.
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I spent 3 days in A&E a while back as they didn't quite know what to do with me. Was quite an eye opener. What you've highlighted here is essentially the problem, although it applies to far more than GPs.

Other services have had funding cut to such an extent that they, to any practical extent, don't exist. This means A&E is now the go to for anyone unable to get a GP appointment, as well as the homeless, those with addiction issues and those with mental health issues.

A&E policy is not to turn people away, you can imagine the response if they started turning people away and someone walked out and dropped dead. There’s also a policy that if you return within 24 hours you can’t be discharged immediately

The other services, such as walk in centres, that are supposed to take pressure off A&E don't work. You've got a large group of people who simply don't know they exist but there's no system for transferring people. If you go to the walk in centre, wait a few hours, and get told you need to go to A&E you're at the back of the queue when you get there. How many times do you think that has to happen before your mindset is I'll go straight to A&E?

And then we get to the GP service which is a complete shambles. I see my actual doctor I would say roughly 1 in every 10 appointments. As someone with ongoing health issues I’m often seeing another doctor at the surgery and it is very obvious they have no clue about those issues. This means both repeat appointments for things not properly dealt with the first time and things that should have been addressed at an early stage becoming a bigger issue that requires further treatment.

If I can’t get an appointment at my surgery I get sent across the city to another surgery owned by the same company, if they’re full I get told to go to A&E.

Finally you add in long waiting lists meaning things that could have been relatively easily dealt with become more complex, potentially leading to a point people feel no option other than to turn up at A&E as they feel they’re getting nowhere.

A&E has become the catch all for every other service that no longer exists or is at capacity.
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 7, 2025
  • #59,605
Grendel said:
You don’t have a GP?
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My wife had questions about an X-ray she’d had after her GP referred her to have an additional scan, without saying why. Rang up the medical centre to be told the GP was unavailable and the next appointment wouldn’t be for another week. The receptionist cheerfully told us that if we really wanted an answer before then, we could head to A&E for another X-ray. Wouldn’t even refer us to an urgent care centre either. We didn’t bother but I’m sure plenty of people do.
 
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