Brighton Sky Blue
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Believe it or not James Callaghan spoke of pretty much exactly this 50 years ago…it’s never happened.
Believe it or not James Callaghan spoke of pretty much exactly this 50 years ago…it’s never happened.In opposition Labour should’ve prepared a short and medium term industrial strategy, linking in public/private employers and further education. What sectors are growing, what are the employment requirements and where, what migration is required, what do we need kids to study, do we subsidise/partially subsidies some Uni courses and further education etc etc
Why/how no government has done one recently I’ll never know as this should then drive policy in those areas as well as infrastructure requirements etc. might not work out but it’s at least a starting point rather than just pissing in the wind
In opposition Labour should’ve prepared a short and medium term industrial strategy, linking in public/private employers and further education. What sectors are growing, what are the employment requirements and where, what migration is required, what do we need kids to study, do we subsidise/partially subsidies some Uni courses and further education etc etc
Why/how no government has done one recently I’ll never know as this should then drive policy in those areas as well as infrastructure requirements etc. might not work out but it’s at least a starting point rather than just pissing in the wind
Not sure the figures bear that outImmigration hasn’t gone down… the number of people that have emigrated has gone up. Most EU and young Britons, around 2/3rds being 18-34 years old.
Successful net-contributors are leaving and meanwhile, we’re importing low income, low skill people.
I was expecting one after Covid and then again when rates spiked around Ukraine war and it’s just not happened (moral of the story don’t follow my predictions !!!). The problem is net migration has significantly outpaced house building, throw in people living longer and demand has just been outstripping supply for a while. So I’m not sure where the big correction is coming from, unless it’s a decent recession…also not particularly politically palatable
BBC said:
Just under 900,000 (898,000) people immigrated to the UK between July 2024 and June 2025, down more than 400,000 people the year before that.
Emigration was little changed: At the same time, 693,000 people emigrated from the UK, up by 43,000 on the previous year.
Have you been using that time machine too?Just seen an interview with Rachel Thieves and Martin Lewis , from 2027 - if you only have a state pension and it takes you over the threshold slightly , you won’t have to pay the minimal tax on it.
I’m then assuming you will still be taxed on any private pension that comes your way.
Which ones specifically Pete?Not sure the figures bear that out
You mean like removing the two child benefit cap, for example?The starting point for any government is to enact polices to favour marriage and family building.
Nixon and fiat money.All money is created from nothing mate, how could taxes be paid without it?
Not for unemployed imo. Creating generational dependency on welfare does not lift people out of poverty.You mean like removing the two child benefit cap, for example?
I suppose the argument goes and I’ll need to be careful with my wordsWhich ones specifically Pete?
Non-EU migration is by and large, a net-tax drain to the economy and this uncomfortable truth is something that most of our left-leaning contributors on here and politicians just do not want to confront.
Not for unemployed imo. Creating generational dependency on welfare does not lift people out of poverty.
I believe in tax breaks for families, an increasing personal allowance or tax break for households based on children have. Civilisations collapse with birth rates over time so this is something we need to incentivise.
Not for unemployed imo. Creating generational dependency on welfare does not lift people out of poverty.
I believe in tax breaks for families, an increasing personal allowance or tax break for households based on children have. Civilisations collapse with birth rates over time so this is something we need to incentivise.
The fact that you’re apparently prepared to tolerate a higher risk of civilizational collapse in the name of stopping people without jobs from getting welfare suggests to me that you may not be as committed to ‘family building‘ as you claim to be.Not for unemployed imo. Creating generational dependency on welfare does not lift people out of poverty.
I believe in tax breaks for families, an increasing personal allowance or tax break for households based on children have. Civilisations collapse with birth rates over time so this is something we need to incentivise.
Just again comes back to wanting to punish rather than help unemployed people doesn’t it? You’re unemployed because you’re lazy, not because things happened outside your control.Not for unemployed imo. Creating generational dependency on welfare does not lift people out of poverty.
I believe in tax breaks for families, an increasing personal allowance or tax break for households based on children have. Civilisations collapse with birth rates over time so this is something we need to incentivise.
Once again you're leaping to conclusions about what other people believe. Merely point out that emigration is largely unchanged in the latest figures.@chiefdave quoting last years statistics alone is incredibly misleading. Immigration numbers have been well above historical norms since the Boriswave. 900k immigration is still massive and I feel like you also know this but don’t want to confront it or that non-EU migration is largely damaging for the economy.
You've got to hand it to Farage really. Years of 'it's all the EU's fault, we need to get out' and then when he finally gets his wish says it's nothing to do with him.however Farage and reform answer appears to be the same as Brexit remove them all it will all be a bed of roses
Hungary exempts women from an income tax after a few children.Can't say I'd agree with the first point, but every so often in this chat an interesting idea is floated. Increased PTA based on children I quite like on the face of it.
People become unemployed, are you saying that if I (father of three children and working constantly since the age of 16) should not be entitled to claim benefits for more than three of them if i need to?
Just again comes back to wanting to punish rather than help unemployed people doesn’t it? You’re unemployed because you’re lazy, not because things happened outside your control.
An increase of 43k is significant Dave. Particularly when they tend to be more economically productive.Once again you're leaping to conclusions about what other people believe. Merely point out that emigration is largely unchanged in the latest figures.
Not sure what you want tbh. Labour won the election in July 2024 so these are the first year of figures for a Labour government and show a significant drop. Unless you were expecting a drop to zero surely this is good news and a step in the right direction.
I haven't seen anyone claim immigration is 'solved' off the back of these figures.
You can’t be serious here…The fact that you’re apparently prepared to tolerate a higher risk of civilizational collapse in the name of stopping people without jobs from getting welfare suggests to me that you may not be as committed to ‘family building‘ as you claim to be.
I’m sorry, you can’t be throwing around right-wing Twitter cliches about western civilisation facing collapse if people don’t build their families, only to stop short at any government support for parents who might be unemployed for whatever reason. This is just not ideologically serious behaviour.You can’t be serious here…
No, I’m not in favour of subsidising unemployed families having larger families paid for by taxpayers. There’s a strong link to generational dependence on welfare.
Working families deserve all the support they need in raising children. Not being taxed to support the former group.
If only her boss had a propensity for telling the truth himself…She should resign or be removed from post.
Then we need to move away from home ownership to some extent possibly?Not for unemployed imo. Creating generational dependency on welfare does not lift people out of poverty.
I believe in tax breaks for families, an increasing personal allowance or tax break for households based on children have. Civilisations collapse with birth rates over time so this is something we need to incentivise.
Well let’s hope for your sake that you never find yourself suddenly unemployed. Stop putting words in our mouths too while you’re at it.I don’t fancy being punished for being productive and paying more tax to pay for more welfare claimants.
Why do you and @SBT just not interact with the data? The number of people claiming benefits has increased at an unsustainable rate. Your base assumption that no one is choosing this lifestyle is naive.
Have either of you been around genuine poverty?
Long term unemployment, absolutely.I’m sorry, you can’t be throwing around right-wing Twitter cliches about western civilisation facing collapse if people don’t build their families, only to stop short at any government support for parents who might be unemployed for whatever reason. This is just not ideologically serious behaviour.
What good would that do? The average rent is higher than my mortgage…Then we need to move away from home ownership to some extent possibly?
Not when it's the government that controls it?Long term unemployment, absolutely.
Birthrates collapsing isn’t a right wing cliche
What good would that do? The average rent is higher than my mortgage…
*Mucca Mad Boys watching Rome burn as fertility rates continue to plummet*Birthrates collapsing isn’t a right wing cliche
This is a bad cliche BSB, you’re better than this.Well let’s hope for your sake that you never find yourself suddenly unemployed. Stop putting words in ours mouths too while you’re at it.
Quite ironic you invoke Rome when you definitely haven’t looked into the reasons why Rome collapsed.*Mucca Mad Boys watching Rome burn as fertility rates continue to plummet*
“Well, at least we didn’t create any generational dependence on welfare for economically unproductive migrants”
This is a bad cliche BSB, you’re better than this.
In principle, no one has a problem with the welfare state being a temporary safety net for people who fall on tough times. People have a problem when it becomes a subsidy for people who never work.
Right now, with the UC rises, an unemployed person can earn more than someone on minimum wage.
Is that an incentive to get people off benefits? No.
Is it fair on low income earners who go out to work? No.
The numbers of people being on UC in the long term with no requirement to find work is growing aggressively. 3+ million from COVID and 1+ million since Labour elected and this is growing.
I’m all too aware of Elon’s favourite argument. My point is that if the stakes for you are as high as *civilisational collapse*, you should have a very very good reason for opposing policies that would incentivise people to have more children.Quite ironic you invoke Rome when you definitely haven’t looked into the reasons why Rome collapsed.
Well they do because some people want to cut off all support as a punishment for not finding work quickly enough.This is a bad cliche BSB, you’re better than this.
In principle, no one has a problem with the welfare state being a temporary safety net for people who fall on tough times. People have a problem when it becomes a subsidy for people who never work.
Right now, with the UC rises, an unemployed person can earn more than someone on minimum wage.
Is that an incentive to get people off benefits? No.
Is it fair on low income earners who go out to work? No.
The numbers of people being on UC in the long term with no requirement to find work is growing aggressively. 3+ million from COVID and 1+ million since Labour elected and this is growing.
dont selloff council houses and build moreThen we need to move away from home ownership to some extent possibly?
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