Period!!It's got to STOP !
and that gap between the two countries gets smaller all the time as it is
Funny thing about that is it’s the second *amendment* which suggests it can be changed.
All tradition is like this. It’s like the Mormons who are fine with technology up until about 1700 then it’s all forbidden.
IM NOT EATING BEEF JERKY !!!!!
Johnson talking about how Thatcher gave Britain a head start on climate change by closing the coalmines
I mean, could the guy be any more detached from the average person*
It's not like that was the reason she did it. She did it out of a personal vendetta against the unions and Scargill.
She destroyed the economy of entire areas with no intention of trying to replace their lost industry.
But to him it's all just a bit of a joke.
*Just remembered Jacob Rees-Mogg exists
The destruction of the Marxist Scargill - who cares not a jot about anyone but himself and his pretend war on the establishment was the reason I voted Tory for the first time
Yet you voted for Boris who’s done exactly the same on the right.The destruction of the Marxist Scargill - who cares not a jot about anyone but himself and his pretend war on the establishment was the reason I voted Tory for the first time
Not arguing about Scargill. But that's not the point of what I put was it.
We were still building coal fired power stations at the beginning of the 80’s and still have 3 or 4 still open so that doesn’t add up.Johnson talking about how Thatcher gave Britain a head start on climate change by closing the coalmines
I mean, could the guy be any more detached from the average person*
It's not like that was the reason she did it. She did it out of a personal vendetta against the unions and Scargill.
She destroyed the economy of entire areas with no intention of trying to replace their lost industry.
But to him it's all just a bit of a joke.
*Just remembered Jacob Rees-Mogg exists
Well as usual you didn’t make a point - just some nonsense cliche diatribe
The destruction of the Marxist Scargill - who cares not a jot about anyone but himself and his pretend war on the establishment was the reason I voted Tory for the first time
We were still building coal fired power stations at the beginning of the 80’s and still have 3 or 4 still open so that doesn’t add up.
The destruction of the Marxist Scargill - who cares not a jot about anyone but himself and his pretend war on the establishment was the reason I voted Tory for the first time
Irony alertWell as usual you didn’t make a point - just some nonsense cliche diatribe
But tell us how you really feel about her.It's been well documented, not least by the Economist magazine, that Scargill rose to power in defence of the attack on unionism that had been in planning by the Tory right from several ears earlier. Scargill told the miners, including the Notts miners. that the pits would close if Thatcher got her way (and employed the law and the forces of the law to do so), and of course he right. Scargill was not the protagonist.
It's quite beyond me how any working class person could have voted for Thatcher, whatever view might have been held on the power of the unions. Frankly, I'd dance on her grave, the fascist, racist bastard. Ding dong.
But tell us how you really feel about her.
Absolutely mate. She was truly hideous.That's the mild version. I will go to my grave hating and detesting her. Even from the bowels of hell she still makes my piss boil.
We didn’t even build our first wind farm until the 90’s, even then it was a private venture. All Boris has really done is confirm that he’s glad that Maggie took a huge dump on the red wall.Yes, it's a nonsense - we simply switched to imported coal, and massively so until we began switching away from coal fire plants about 10 years ago
I'd love to say that he's finished and stuff like this is just scorched-earth nonsense but some if it's calculated gaslighting.
It wont work forever so when are the Tory kingmakers gonna decide to get shot?
We were still building coal fired power stations at the beginning of the 80’s and still have 3 or 4 still open so that doesn’t add up.
Quite often lower quality coal too which is dirtier and less efficient so you have to burn more than the bituminous coal mined in the U.K.. And that’s before you start to consider the carbon footprint of importing it in the first place. Most British coal imports come from Russia and America.Yeah, he didn't mention that we imported to coal to burn instead.
In the interest of balance it was the Daily Mail of all papers that broke the story.Normal rules do not apply..
Cop26 president Alok Sharma flew to 30 countries in 7 months
Minister responsible for climate conference travelled mainly during winter and spring and did not isolatewww.theguardian.com
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In the interest of balance it was the Daily Mail of all papers that broke the story.
You’re right regarding personal responsibility and on a personal note I’ve taken responsibility for that. Turned veggie/very nearly vegan, we’re now a one car house, cut back loads on air travel even before Covid, try to purchase responsibly in terms of materials, air miles etc. Any gain basically regardless of how small.Just a distraction from the real issues, which is consumption, be it of meat, plastics and electronics. Unless you are taking a personal responsibility for what you do yourself then moral outrage at this sort of thing is hypocrisy - and Tony, I'm not having a go at you, it's just a general statement aimed at us all.
Just a distraction from the real issues, which is consumption, be it of meat, plastics and electronics. Unless you are taking a personal responsibility for what you do yourself then moral outrage at this sort of thing is hypocrisy - and Tony, I'm not having a go at you, it's just a general statement aimed at us all.
We didn’t stop the hole in the ozone layer by asking people nicely to buy better fridges. Sometimes the invisible hand is asleep at the wheel.
Plus for me that story is as much about different covid travels rules for Sharma from the rest of us. No quarantining, etc. As it is about the hypocrisy of all the air miles he has done under the guise of climate change.
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The only way the government can really affect things is either by carrot or stick....mainly stick and that unfortunately usually impacts the poorest in society. There’s some big decisions to be made, one relates to nuclear energy, not the ideal but eco activists have got to accept in the short/medium term it appears the least worst option so has to be considered. I’m still also wondering what the fall out will be from the push to electric vehicles. Ultimately we need reduce car usage full stop.
I agree with Dubed. In the west we’ve become a throw away society, consumption and waste is disgraceful but I do think mindsets are changing and improving...I just hope it’s quick enough for future generations.
The east/developing nations is the tough one. It’s almost unfair to stop them developing through cheap power/energy but if they continue with new coal power stations etc, what we do pales into insignificance to some extent. Not to say we shouldn’t try to do everything possible but I don’t think it will have enough of an affect
Well it’s a policy choice to allow it to hit the poorest hardest. But what’s never mentioned here is the cost of inaction. We’ve wasted decades with this sort of argument already and the cost of action now is many multiples of what it would’ve been in the 90s.
This is the sort of thing govenrment borrowing is made for TBH. Mostly one off infrastructure costs.
We could’ve insulated millions of homes and brought in standards to bring new homes up to scratch. We could’ve gone nuclear or wind in the time we’ve had. None of that had to cost the poorest a penny and if anything would reduce their bills. I’ve got mates on the breadline with uninsulated homes that they have to choose which rooms to heat over the winter. So I find the idea that making their home warmer would hurt them a little rich TBQH.
This isn’t going away, the cost argument is blown apart when you look at the costs that will come and are already coming. It’s just ideology putting off the inevitable.
As for China and India, we’ll this is where being a first world nation with a big economy comes into play and leading by example. Pre Brexit soft power and diplomacy were one of our strengths.
I’ll be blunt I’m getting a little tired of the same nonsense arguments being wheeled out to defend inaction. We know what to do, just crack on with it. This government is waffling about dishwashers while they effectively banned on shore wind for years and decimated funding for heating and insulation initiatives.
The idea that all we have to do is change the entire economy and human nature is one put about to delay action even more. I have no time for it.
Inknow you have an ideological reason to think the state can’t do anything. But it’s nonsense and this is far more important that petty political ideologies.
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