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David O'Day

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  • Today at 1:43 PM
  • #56,946
Dougin said:
Don’t underestimate the pull Farage has. He speaks common sense and seems to come from the heart. He doesn’t need to do this, he wants to and people will relate to that.

He’s not your typical career politician, at least he believes in what he says. Starmer is not a natural leader and comes across as a weak person.

People laughed at Farage for years, no one ever took him serious and look what he did with brexit.

When it comes to election time he has Trump and Musk on his side can you just imagine how much they are going to help him too. It’s only going one way.
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I love your fake account

Trump and Musk, 2 really unpopular people. 1 of whom has actually swung 2 national elections away from the right

Top work fella.
 
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Dougin

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:03 PM
  • #56,947
David O'Day said:
I love your fake account

Trump and Musk, 2 really unpopular people. 1 of whom has actually swung 2 national elections away from the right

Top work fella.
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Not a fake account, sorry to disappoint you.

2 really unpopular people? prove that?

Here is a list of the top X accounts:



  1. Elon Musk: (@elonmusk)
  2. Barack Obama: (@BarackObama)
  3. Cristiano Ronaldo: (@Cristiano)
  4. Donald Trump: (@realDonaldTrump)
 

RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:22 PM
  • #56,948
chiefdave said:
If people looked what he did with Brexit he wouldn't be getting any votes!!!
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I think the point is Dave he won.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:23 PM
  • #56,949
Nick said:
If they find people renting other accounts then they hammer the companies for not having the correct checks and procedures in place. Fine the company every time somebody is caught using a rented account.

"Only way they can earn money" makes it sound like they aren't getting money from the government and their bills paid for.

You see takeaways getting raided and charged for having illegal workers so why not Uber eats and deliveroo?
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That's exactly what the government is trying to do but there's a problem with successfully convicting the likes of Uber, Just Eat etc when they can just turn round and say we have processes in place, its not our fault if people abuse them. That's before you consider the manpower needed for that type of enforcement. That's why its only even a day or two which happens after weeks of planning to ensure they have the resources in place.

Its very different to raiding your local takeaway. At your local the person is actually there in front of the employer, its then very hard for the employer to defend. With app based services the id verification is done at sign up and then periodically during use. Now we don't know the plans for the governments digital id or how it could be tied to employee verification on delivery apps so its hard to say what, if any, impact it will have.

If you're an asylum seeker in a hotel you're getting less than a tenner a week. It shouldn't really be a surprise people are then looking for cash in hand work. The system is designed around quick processing of applications when the reality is its taking years.

Nationwide clampdown on delivery riders working illegally

Ramp-up of arrests and visits set to take place across the UK targeting migrants working illegally in the gig economy
www.gov.uk
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:24 PM
  • #56,950
RegTheDonk said:
I think the point is Dave he won.
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He did indeed. And look how much better off we are now
 
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wingy

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  • Today at 2:26 PM
  • #56,951
RegTheDonk said:
I think the point is Dave he won.
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Then the question arises who in the establishment wanted this scenario,a ten to fifteen year project?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:27 PM
  • #56,952
chiefdave said:
He did indeed. And look how much better off we are now
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He’d win again
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:28 PM
  • #56,953
I can see absolutely no holes in Starmers ID card plans
You won't have to carry IDs around
You'll never be asked to produce it
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Today at 2:31 PM
  • #56,954
Dougin said:
Don’t underestimate the pull Farage has. He speaks common sense and seems to come from the heart. He doesn’t need to do this, he wants to and people will relate to that.

He’s not your typical career politician, at least he believes in what he says. Starmer is not a natural leader and comes across as a weak person.

People laughed at Farage for years, no one ever took him serious and look what he did with brexit.

When it comes to election time he has Trump and Musk on his side can you just imagine how much they are going to help him too. It’s only going one way.
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What? Musk has said that Reform needs a new leader and Trump’s presidency will be all but over.
 
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Dougin

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  • Today at 2:31 PM
  • #56,955
chiefdave said:
I can see absolutely no holes in Starmers ID card plans
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He's using illegal immigration as an excuse to get it through though and people dont trust him.

He should be spedning his time on stopping them getting in here if he really cared. The bloke is hated by almost everybody.
 
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Dougin

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:33 PM
  • #56,956
Sick Boy said:
What? Musk has said that Reform needs a new leader and Trump’s presidency will be all but over.
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Wishful thinking from you, dont believe everything you hear
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Today at 2:36 PM
  • #56,957
Dougin said:
Wishful thinking from you, dont believe everything you hear
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Elon Musk launches fresh attack on ‘weak’ Nigel Farage

Musk’s attack is the latest saga in his deteriorating relationship with Reform UK’s Farage
www.independent.co.uk

Elon Musk calls for Nigel Farage to be replaced as Reform UK leader

Nigel Farage claims Musk's call is due to a disagreement over support for far-right activist Tommy Robinson.
www.bbc.co.uk

'Weak sauce': Elon Musk reignites public spat with Nigel Farage

On Tuesday, Farage vowed to pull the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights and start mass deportations of anyone who arrived in the country illegally.
www.euronews.com
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:36 PM
  • #56,958
Dougin said:
Not a fake account, sorry to disappoint you.

2 really unpopular people? prove that?

Here is a list of the top X accounts:



  1. Elon Musk: (@elonmusk)
  2. Barack Obama: (@BarackObama)
  3. Cristiano Ronaldo: (@Cristiano)
  4. Donald Trump: (@realDonaldTrump)
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Yeah you are and X isn't real life and also people hate follow you know.

Good work though, like this one.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:38 PM
  • #56,959
chiefdave said:
I can see absolutely no holes in Starmers ID card plans
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to be fair that isn't the point, it can stop you accessing normal society which actually is one of the reasons people see the UK as an easy touch

most EU countries now have some form of national ID card
 

RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:43 PM
  • #56,960
Dave / Wingy, not arguing weather Brixit was good or bad, just agreeing with Dougin about Farage. Immigration probably isn't the major issue affecting us working folks, paying the bills etc... but the perception is it's out of control and nobody else seems to want to take radical steps to address it. Digital ID cards, ffs.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:43 PM
  • #56,961
David O'Day said:
to be fair that isn't the point, it can stop you accessing normal society which actually is one of the reasons people see the UK as an easy touch

most EU countries now have some form of national ID card
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The UK has lower levels of asylum seeking relative to its population than the European average according to parliament's own report

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:45 PM
  • #56,962
David O'Day said:
to be fair that isn't the point, it can stop you accessing normal society which actually is one of the reasons people see the UK as an easy touch

most EU countries now have some form of national ID card
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An industry of fakes then?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:45 PM
  • #56,963
fernandopartridge said:
The UK has lower levels of asylum seeking relative to its population than the European average according to parliament's own report

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf
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and, there are still lots of people who cross lots of safe european countries because we are seen as a softer touch

this is just a fact
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:46 PM
  • #56,964
wingy said:
An industry of fakes then?
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you don't actually get a physical card
 
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Dougin

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:48 PM
  • #56,965
David O'Day said:
Yeah you are and X isn't real life and also people hate follow you know.

Good work though, like this one.
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Wrong on both.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:49 PM
  • #56,966
David O'Day said:
and, there are still lots of people who cross lots of safe european countries because we are seen as a softer touch

this is just a fact
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why isn't it borne out in the numbers?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:50 PM
  • #56,967
Dougin said:
Wrong on both.
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nope, top work though
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:55 PM
  • #56,968
fernandopartridge said:
why isn't it borne out in the numbers?
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it is though, the amount of people who stay in other countries is meaningless

it's the reasons why stay in other safe countries but choose not to is what they are looking at and looking for ways to make it less desirable for people to do so.

So yes most people don't come to the uk but a lot do and pass through other safe countries
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 2:59 PM
  • #56,969
RegTheDonk said:
Dave / Wingy, not arguing weather Brixit was good or bad, just agreeing with Dougin about Farage. Immigration probably isn't the major issue affecting us working folks, paying the bills etc... but the perception is it's out of control and nobody else seems to want to take radical steps to address it. Digital ID cards, ffs.
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This is the issue really. We're in an era of vibe based politics.

Immigration being a prime example. When people are surveyed about what they think the numbers around various related things are they are generally way off which then makes it incredibly difficult to resolve to anyone's satisfaction.

The actual problems, why we're all skint and depressed, isn't even being addressed because people are too busy running about shouting 'stop the boats'.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Today at 3:01 PM
  • #56,970
I found an email from the recruitment department of an employer I applied for a job with (this was all to be provided before I'd even had an interview). I cannot see how adding just another method of ID on top of those below solves any of the problems.

A United Kingdom passport describing the holder as a British citizen or as a citizen of
the United Kingdom and Colonies having the right of abode in the United Kingdom.
 A passport containing a certificate of entitlement issued by, or on behalf of, the
Government of the United Kingdom, certifying that the holder has the right of abode
in the United Kingdom.
 A passport or national identity card, issues by a State which is party to the European
Economic Area Agreement, or any other agreement forming part of the Communities
Treaties which confers the rights of entry or residence into the United Kingdom, which
describes the holder as a national of a State which is party to that Agreement.
 A United Kingdom Residence Permit issued to a national of a State which is party to
the European Economic Area Agreement, or any other agreement forming part of the
Communities Treaties which confirms that the holder has the rights of entry or
residence in the United Kingdom.

Invite to Interview Enclosure
 A passport or other travel document, or a residence document issued by the Home
Office which endorsed to show that the holder has a current right of residence in the
United Kingdom as a family member of a named national of a State which is a party to
the European Economic Area Agreement, or any other agreement forming part of the
Communities Treaties which confers rights of entry to or residence in the United
Kingdom, and who is resident in the United Kingdom.
 A passport or other travel document endorsed to show that the holder is exempt form
immigration control has Indefinite leave to Enter or Remain in the United Kingdom or
has no time limit on their stay.
 A passport or other travel document endorsed to show that the holder has current
leave to enter, or remain in, the United Kingdom and is permitted to take the
employment in question, provided that it does not require the issue of a work permit.
 A registration card which indicates that the holder is entitled to take employment in
the United Kingdom.
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Dougin

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 3:08 PM
  • #56,971
chiefdave said:
This is the issue really. We're in an era of vibe based politics.

Immigration being a prime example. When people are surveyed about what they think the numbers around various related things are they are generally way off which then makes it incredibly difficult to resolve to anyone's satisfaction.

The actual problems, why we're all skint and depressed, isn't even being addressed because people are too busy running about shouting 'stop the boats'.
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I think the boats thing really gets people angry for a few reasons.

1. A lot of Families are working full time, both partners and they are still absolutley skint. They see people getting given things for free when they have contributed nothing to this country and have entered illegally, its like rubbing salt in the wound.

2. We have no idea who they are, the vast majority are economic migrants because if they wasnt they would stay in the first safe country they entered.

3. Its embarrasing for our nation that we cant deal with it as career politicians are more interested in keeping their job than dealing with the divisve issue.


I think that vast majority of people in this country welcome migration and are open and welcoming. It the "illegal" immigration they dont want.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • 45 minutes ago
  • #56,972
While I disagree with this chaps politics I think he has every right to state his opinion even if it offends however in Starmer's UK if you say the wrong thing the Police may come round in the middle of the night to arrest you, here is a video of a social media transgressor being arrested.
View attachment ARREST.mp4

Posted I guess after he was released.
 

TomRad85

Well-Known Member
  • 40 minutes ago
  • #56,973
Captain Dart said:
While I disagree with this chaps politics I think he has every right to state his opinion even if it offends however in Starmer's UK if you say the wrong thing the Police may come round in the middle of the night to arrest you, here is a video of a social media transgressor being arrested.
View attachment 46229

Posted I guess after he was released.
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This country is actually embarrassing. We need change now.
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • 18 minutes ago
  • #56,974
fernandopartridge said:
I found an email from the recruitment department of an employer I applied for a job with (this was all to be provided before I'd even had an interview). I cannot see how adding just another method of ID on top of those below solves any of the problems.
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A single point of failure when the hackers get to work.
I'm not complying whatever the consequences, Starmer can get to fuck.

PS The petition to parliament is going well over 1 million signed, it was only 300,000 2 days ago.

Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

We demand that the UK Government immediately commits to not introducing a digital ID cards. There are reports that this is being looked at.
petition.parliament.uk
 
Last edited: 11 minutes ago

Nick

Administrator
  • 13 minutes ago
  • #56,975
Captain Dart said:
While I disagree with this chaps politics I think he has every right to state his opinion even if it offends however in Starmer's UK if you say the wrong thing the Police may come round in the middle of the night to arrest you, here is a video of a social media transgressor being arrested.
View attachment 46229

Posted I guess after he was released.
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It's embarrassing really.
 
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