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Ian1779

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  • Sep 16, 2025
  • #56,491
DT-R said:
Yeah! Clearly, it's because she black! Nothing to do with the fact she's an absolute moron who can't count, add up, or put her fucking shoes on properly! But yeah, the dislike of her is clearly racist!
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Yes because people openly display that level of vitriol to people that allegedly can’t count…. as demonstrated.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,492

Sensational poll shows Welsh Labour Senedd election meltdown and Plaid Cymru and Reform neck and neck for the lead

Martin Shipton A sensational new poll on voting intention at next year’s Senedd shows that Welsh Labour is in meltdown and that Plaid Cymru and Reform UK are almost neck and neck for winning the highest number of votes and seats. The Barn Cymru poll conducted by YouGov for ITV Cymru Wales and...
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As we love a good poll in here... Labour on course to get wiped in Wales.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,493
TomRad85 said:

Sensational poll shows Welsh Labour Senedd election meltdown and Plaid Cymru and Reform neck and neck for the lead

Martin Shipton A sensational new poll on voting intention at next year’s Senedd shows that Welsh Labour is in meltdown and that Plaid Cymru and Reform UK are almost neck and neck for winning the highest number of votes and seats. The Barn Cymru poll conducted by YouGov for ITV Cymru Wales and...
nation.cymru

As we love a good poll in here... Labour on course to get wiped in Wales.
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It's going to depend if they can sustain it...and even then, they'd need the Tories to agree to a coalition to get a majority, IMO.
 

TomRad85

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,494
Sick Boy said:
It's going to depend if they can sustain it...and even then, they'd need the Tories to agree to a coalition to get a majority, IMO.
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Maybe some totally out of touch politician can call the people of Wales a bunch of racists/fascists. I hear that tactic is working incredibly well right now.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,495
TomRad85 said:
Maybe some totally out of touch politician can call the people of Wales a bunch of racists/fascists. I hear that tactic is working incredibly well right now.
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Being Welsh, it's probably the least of their problems.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,496
TomRad85 said:
Maybe some totally out of touch politician can call the people of Wales a bunch of racists/fascists. I hear that tactic is working incredibly well right now.
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It’s almost like your saying that the Welsh electorate don’t buy into to the bullshit emanating from Westminster…..
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,497
TomRad85 said:

Sensational poll shows Welsh Labour Senedd election meltdown and Plaid Cymru and Reform neck and neck for the lead

Martin Shipton A sensational new poll on voting intention at next year’s Senedd shows that Welsh Labour is in meltdown and that Plaid Cymru and Reform UK are almost neck and neck for winning the highest number of votes and seats. The Barn Cymru poll conducted by YouGov for ITV Cymru Wales and...
nation.cymru

As we love a good poll in here... Labour on course to get wiped in Wales.
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Plaid Cymru and Reform have almost the opposite politics. Shows it’s a total protest vote
 

rob9872

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,498
At the moment, it's a protest vote, but when areas that have always been anti Tory like this start voting for them, it should be a much bigger concern. They've also persuaded a couple of Tory MPs to switch to them, but the real acid test would be if they got a Labour MP to cross the floor for them. I imagine they'll be working on a few, and that could be a real catalyst for the average voter in the street to think they're more than hard right Tory.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,499
rob9872 said:
At the moment, it's a protest vote, but when areas that have always been anti Tory like this start voting for them, it should be a much bigger concern. They've also persuaded a couple of Tory MPs to switch to them, but the real acid test would be if they got a Labour MP to cross the floor for them. I imagine they'll be working on a few, and that could be a real catalyst for the average voter in the street to think they're more than hard right Tory.
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Labour MPs would perhaps do that out of pure selfish desperation to keep their seats. Plaid however are a left wing pro-Welsh independence party, Reform are a British nationalist far right party. For them to be tied in Wales shows that something else is up.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,500
TomRad85 said:
Labour on course to get wiped in Wales.
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Are polls real today? I can't keep track.
 
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rob9872

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,501
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Labour MPs would perhaps do that out of pure selfish desperation to keep their seats. Plaid however are a left wing pro-Welsh independence party, Reform are a British nationalist far right party. For them to be tied in Wales shows that something else is up.
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That's exactly what I'm referring to. Out of 400 there'll be at least one self serving enough to flop flop if the wind of change continues.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,502
TomRad85 said:

Sensational poll shows Welsh Labour Senedd election meltdown and Plaid Cymru and Reform neck and neck for the lead

Martin Shipton A sensational new poll on voting intention at next year’s Senedd shows that Welsh Labour is in meltdown and that Plaid Cymru and Reform UK are almost neck and neck for winning the highest number of votes and seats. The Barn Cymru poll conducted by YouGov for ITV Cymru Wales and...
nation.cymru

As we love a good poll in here... Labour on course to get wiped in Wales.
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Due to the performance of the tories over 15 years interesting
 
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SkyBlueCharlie9

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,503
I still think one of tbe biggest reasons why many of the more right wingy Tory voters, are turning on Badenough, and towards Reform, is her colour. No one is willing to say it. She is not great but much better than May, Truss and Johnson.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,504
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
I still think one of tbe biggest reasons why many of the more right wingy Tory voters, are turning on Badenough, and towards Reform, is her colour. No one is willing to say it. She is not great but much better than May, Truss and Johnson.
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‘Badenough’ is the new ‘Beer Korma’?
 

Bugsy

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,505
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
I still think one of tbe biggest reasons why many of the more right wingy Tory voters, are turning on Badenough, and towards Reform, is her colour. No one is willing to say it. She is not great but much better than May, Truss and Johnson.
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Grendel

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,506
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
I still think one of tbe biggest reasons why many of the more right wingy Tory voters, are turning on Badenough, and towards Reform, is her colour. No one is willing to say it. She is not great but much better than May, Truss and Johnson.
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More nonsense Charles
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,507
Ian1779 said:
It’s almost like your saying that the Welsh electorate don’t buy into to the bullshit emanating from Westminster…..
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Both Scotland and wales have been run with further left policies than Westminster for years, pretty sure spending more on health and education per person yet where’s it got them ? Poor delivery, worse results and some corruption thrown in (doesn’t any different to what we get but costs more)

Thats not to stay there’s a not anti Tory/Labour vote going on but let’s not pretend it’s just solely because of what’s happening in Westminster.

Just to be clear, I’ve been calling for more investment in public services for a long time but unless that money is spent wisely and people see an improvement in their lives/publics services, the populists will get the vote at the next election

The left needs to decide whether to pull together and try to improve the lives of the majority or fight amongst themselves. As there’s still BS strikes going on with the likes of BMA resident docs, Tube drivers, Birmingham bin men I suppose I’m probably wise to prepare for the shitshow of Reform

*ill leave teachers out of that as education appears to be the only area of improvement/solid delivery in recent years
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,508
CCFCSteve said:
Both Scotland and wales have been run with further left policies than Westminster for years, pretty sure spending more on health and education per person yet where’s it got them ? Poor delivery, worse results and some corruption thrown in (doesn’t any different to what we get but costs more)

Thats not to stay there’s a not anti Tory/Labour vote going on but let’s not pretend it’s just solely because of what’s happening in Westminster.

Just to be clear, I’ve been calling for more investment in public services for a long time but unless that money is spent wisely and people see an improvement in their lives/publics services, the populists will get the vote at the next election

The left needs to decide whether to pull together and try to improve the lives of the majority or fight amongst themselves. As there’s still BS strikes going on with the likes of BMA resident docs, Tube drivers, Birmingham bin men I suppose I’m probably wise to prepare for the shitshow of Reform

*ill leave teachers out of that as education appears to be the only area of improvement/solid delivery in recent years
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I think the bin strike is quite different from the other two
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,509
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
And I don't think she'll win and would arguably have a better opportunity in a seat she already occupies.

Doesn't exactly make it look like you care about your constituents. And she's not got the party loyalty 'safe seat' that many who move constituencies have to stop that being an issue. She'll be running for a fringe unknown party and we've seen what has happened to others that have done so in recent years.

I would argue that she'd probably have a better chance as an independent but she's a divisive figure.
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It’s obvious she will have a better chance there. Mahmood is seen as someone opposing immigration and supporting Israel. She has a large Muslim vote waiting for the likes of Sultana to grab.
 

rob9872

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,510
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
I still think one of tbe biggest reasons why many of the more right wingy Tory voters, are turning on Badenough, and towards Reform, is her colour. No one is willing to say it. She is not great but much better than May, Truss and Johnson.
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Just fuck off you race baiting c**t
 
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TomRad85

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,511
rob9872 said:
Just fuck off you race baiting c**t
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Back on planet earth Badenoch is suffering from those before her turning her party into a complete irrelevance. No one really knows much about her, no one cares. Something that the person following Starmer may soon have to deal with.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,512
Reeves is a disaster as chancellor as I said she would be:



"Oh but inflation is the BOE's remit" - maybe true, but one of Starmer's missions (or whatever gimmicky term he's used on that instance) is to put more money in people's pockets.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,513
Sky Blue Pete said:
I think the bin strike is quite different from the other two
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Not from the details I’ve heard/read Pete (happy to share if I can dig out). Only caveat and something I agree with Unite on is there is no way senior people in the shambles of BCC should’ve have had any pay rise. Residents have had a 20% increase in council tax in two years and are getting worse services
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,514
fernandopartridge said:
Reeves is a disaster as chancellor as I said she would be:

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"Oh but inflation is the BOE's remit" - maybe true, but one of Starmer's missions (or whatever gimmicky term he's used on that instance) is to put more money in people's pockets.
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What specific things has she done that you think means she’s a disaster
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,515
CCFCSteve said:
Not from the details I’ve heard/read Pete (happy to share if I can dig out). Only caveat and something I agree with Unite on is there is no way senior people in the shambles of BCC should’ve have had any pay rise. Residents have had a 20% increase in council tax in two years and are getting worse services
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That’s not to say if members have decided to take action that they don’t receive this persons support to take action for their needs
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,516
Sky Blue Pete said:
What specific things has she done that you think means she’s a disaster
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The employer NI rise
Continuing the freeze on the personal allowance

Her entire household budget philosophy and her failure to recognise that the government, in the absence of private investment, must drive growth through its own spending.
 
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mmttww

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,517
fernandopartridge said:
and her failure to recognise that the government, in the absence of private investment, must drive growth through its own spending.
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Yeah, the absence of anything serious in this space has been really frustrating. Don't understand it when they have the majority they do at the start of a full parliament.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,518
fernandopartridge said:
The employer NI rise
Continuing the freeze on the personal allowance

Her entire household budget philosophy and her failure to recognise that the government, in the absence of private investment, must drive growth through its own spending.
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Thanks for answering
We need more money where would you have raised it from?
Are you on the too fiscally aware angle? I wild agree but we need to be honest about choices don’t we
Maybe campaigning on an increase in tax would have been more honest and potentially the country would have been ok with it
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,519
Sky Blue Pete said:
Thanks for answering
We need more money where would you have raised it from?
Are you on the too fiscally aware angle? I wild agree but we need to be honest about choices don’t we
Maybe campaigning on an increase in tax would have been more honest and potentially the country would have been ok with it
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Increasing NI on employers was stupid. It restricts employment opportunities and causes more damage than it can achieve.

There are less job vacancies YOY and growing unemployment,

The governments whole plan was on a path of economic growth. Every forecast is for a flat lined economy.

Increasing tax and freezing PA should restricts growth even more. I was at a manufacturer meeting of various sized businesses last week. Its the most pessimistic I have seen in the 5 years I have been attending and the government is viewed as worse than even the outgoing one.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,520
Grendel said:
Increasing NI on employers was stupid. It restricts employment opportunities and causes more damage than it can achieve.

There are less job vacancies YOY and growing unemployment,

The governments whole plan was on a path of economic growth. Every forecast is for a flat lined economy.

Increasing tax and freezing PA should restricts growth even more. I was at a manufacturer meeting of various sized businesses last week. Its the most pessimistic I have seen in the 5 years I have been attending and the government is viewed as worse than even the outgoing one.
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Thanks you didn’t answer the question but if I may implying that we need to reduce spending what would you be looking at?

How would you sell it
Obviously spending nothing on immigrants is number one with what I’m told is a majority of the country
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,521
Sky Blue Pete said:
Thanks you didn’t answer the question but if I may implying that we need to reduce spending what would you be looking at?

How would you sell it
Obviously spending nothing on immigrants is number one with what I’m told is a majority of the country
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Its nothing to do with spending.

Reeves came in on a strategy to grow the economy. Her economic policies don't - they restrict - and business has no confidence in her. She is failing on every metric she set herself.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,522
fernandopartridge said:
The employer NI rise
Continuing the freeze on the personal allowance

Her entire household budget philosophy and her failure to recognise that the government, in the absence of private investment, must drive growth through its own spending.
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Pretty sure the government has increased taxes by £40bn pa and changed fiscal rules to increase borrowing by the same per annum. Combined that’s an extra £300-£400bn over the parliament

We currently spend £100bn+ pa servicing debt. Inflation is still nearly double target. You borrow more and debt servicing costs will increase further as we have zero credibility as the markets don’t believe the party will allow treasury to control spending.

I agree that reeves policies in particular NI increase have damaged growth though. It was idiotic and has also probably indirectly increased inflation. The government should’ve had the bottle to just raise main taxes and promised to reduce once finances were in better state….and blamed the Tories. Any above inflation public sector pay rises should’ve had strings attached
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,523
CCFCSteve said:
Pretty sure the government has increased taxes by £40bn pa and changed fiscal rules to increase borrowing by the same per annum. Combined that’s an extra £300-£400bn over the parliament

We currently spend £100bn+ pa servicing debt. Inflation is still nearly double target. You borrow more and debt servicing costs will increase further as we have zero credibility as the markets don’t believe the party will allow treasury to control spending.

I agree that reeves policies in particular NI increase have damaged growth though. It was idiotic and has also probably indirectly increased inflation. The government should’ve had the bottle to just raise main taxes and promised to reduce once finances were in better state….and blamed the Tories. Any above inflation public sector pay rises should’ve had strings attached
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There is no real issue with an increase in "borrowing costs", better that than the state of the economy as it is imo.
 

rob9872

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,524
Question for one of the many economists we have on here:

What's the benefit of servicing debt and borrowing? If all of the major economies have huge national debt, I assume it can only be to the banks, but they'll be privately owned and therefore investing back in those same economies. Why wouldn't an economy like ours, look at quantitative easing and create the money to match their debt then slowly reduce it over time? It would short term devalue the currency, but long term you only owe to yourselves and stop paying interest on interest. I've thought it for a while and pretty sure I'm missing a trick somewhere as greater minds than mine must've considered and dismissed the idea.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 17, 2025
  • #56,525
fernandopartridge said:
There is no real issue with an increase in "borrowing costs", better that than the state of the economy as it is imo.
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If the investment guarantees growth which outpaces the increase in borrowing costs I agree. Confidence in the government delivering that….hmmmmm

As I’ve said before I genuinely think we and various other developed economies like France, Japan, even US plus various others are in pretty big trouble when it comes to government debt. Desperately need borrowing rates to come down dramatically but that only usually happens in recession
 
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