Ian1779
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Yes because people openly display that level of vitriol to people that allegedly can’t count…. as demonstrated.
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TomRad85
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Sensational poll shows Welsh Labour Senedd election meltdown and Plaid Cymru and Reform neck and neck for the lead
Martin Shipton A sensational new poll on voting intention at next year’s Senedd shows that Welsh Labour is in meltdown and that Plaid Cymru and Reform UK are almost neck and neck for winning the highest number of votes and seats. The Barn Cymru poll conducted by YouGov for ITV Cymru Wales and...
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As we love a good poll in here... Labour on course to get wiped in Wales.
Sick Boy
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It's going to depend if they can sustain it...and even then, they'd need the Tories to agree to a coalition to get a majority, IMO.Sensational poll shows Welsh Labour Senedd election meltdown and Plaid Cymru and Reform neck and neck for the lead
Martin Shipton A sensational new poll on voting intention at next year’s Senedd shows that Welsh Labour is in meltdown and that Plaid Cymru and Reform UK are almost neck and neck for winning the highest number of votes and seats. The Barn Cymru poll conducted by YouGov for ITV Cymru Wales and...nation.cymru
As we love a good poll in here... Labour on course to get wiped in Wales.
TomRad85
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Maybe some totally out of touch politician can call the people of Wales a bunch of racists/fascists. I hear that tactic is working incredibly well right now.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Being Welsh, it's probably the least of their problems.
Ian1779
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It’s almost like your saying that the Welsh electorate don’t buy into to the bullshit emanating from Westminster…..
Brighton Sky Blue
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Plaid Cymru and Reform have almost the opposite politics. Shows it’s a total protest voteSensational poll shows Welsh Labour Senedd election meltdown and Plaid Cymru and Reform neck and neck for the lead
Martin Shipton A sensational new poll on voting intention at next year’s Senedd shows that Welsh Labour is in meltdown and that Plaid Cymru and Reform UK are almost neck and neck for winning the highest number of votes and seats. The Barn Cymru poll conducted by YouGov for ITV Cymru Wales and...nation.cymru
As we love a good poll in here... Labour on course to get wiped in Wales.
rob9872
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At the moment, it's a protest vote, but when areas that have always been anti Tory like this start voting for them, it should be a much bigger concern. They've also persuaded a couple of Tory MPs to switch to them, but the real acid test would be if they got a Labour MP to cross the floor for them. I imagine they'll be working on a few, and that could be a real catalyst for the average voter in the street to think they're more than hard right Tory.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Labour MPs would perhaps do that out of pure selfish desperation to keep their seats. Plaid however are a left wing pro-Welsh independence party, Reform are a British nationalist far right party. For them to be tied in Wales shows that something else is up.
chiefdave
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Are polls real today? I can't keep track.
rob9872
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That's exactly what I'm referring to. Out of 400 there'll be at least one self serving enough to flop flop if the wind of change continues.
Sky Blue Pete
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Due to the performance of the tories over 15 years interestingSensational poll shows Welsh Labour Senedd election meltdown and Plaid Cymru and Reform neck and neck for the lead
Martin Shipton A sensational new poll on voting intention at next year’s Senedd shows that Welsh Labour is in meltdown and that Plaid Cymru and Reform UK are almost neck and neck for winning the highest number of votes and seats. The Barn Cymru poll conducted by YouGov for ITV Cymru Wales and...nation.cymru
As we love a good poll in here... Labour on course to get wiped in Wales.
SkyBlueCharlie9
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I still think one of tbe biggest reasons why many of the more right wingy Tory voters, are turning on Badenough, and towards Reform, is her colour. No one is willing to say it. She is not great but much better than May, Truss and Johnson.
Brighton Sky Blue
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‘Badenough’ is the new ‘Beer Korma’?
Bugsy
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Grendel
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More nonsense Charles
Both Scotland and wales have been run with further left policies than Westminster for years, pretty sure spending more on health and education per person yet where’s it got them ? Poor delivery, worse results and some corruption thrown in (doesn’t any different to what we get but costs more)
Thats not to stay there’s a not anti Tory/Labour vote going on but let’s not pretend it’s just solely because of what’s happening in Westminster.
Just to be clear, I’ve been calling for more investment in public services for a long time but unless that money is spent wisely and people see an improvement in their lives/publics services, the populists will get the vote at the next election
The left needs to decide whether to pull together and try to improve the lives of the majority or fight amongst themselves. As there’s still BS strikes going on with the likes of BMA resident docs, Tube drivers, Birmingham bin men I suppose I’m probably wise to prepare for the shitshow of Reform
*ill leave teachers out of that as education appears to be the only area of improvement/solid delivery in recent years
Sky Blue Pete
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I think the bin strike is quite different from the other two
Grendel
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It’s obvious she will have a better chance there. Mahmood is seen as someone opposing immigration and supporting Israel. She has a large Muslim vote waiting for the likes of Sultana to grab.
rob9872
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Just fuck off you race baiting c**t
TomRad85
Well-Known Member
Back on planet earth Badenoch is suffering from those before her turning her party into a complete irrelevance. No one really knows much about her, no one cares. Something that the person following Starmer may soon have to deal with.
fernandopartridge
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Reeves is a disaster as chancellor as I said she would be:
"Oh but inflation is the BOE's remit" - maybe true, but one of Starmer's missions (or whatever gimmicky term he's used on that instance) is to put more money in people's pockets.
"Oh but inflation is the BOE's remit" - maybe true, but one of Starmer's missions (or whatever gimmicky term he's used on that instance) is to put more money in people's pockets.
Not from the details I’ve heard/read Pete (happy to share if I can dig out). Only caveat and something I agree with Unite on is there is no way senior people in the shambles of BCC should’ve have had any pay rise. Residents have had a 20% increase in council tax in two years and are getting worse services
Sky Blue Pete
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What specific things has she done that you think means she’s a disaster
Sky Blue Pete
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That’s not to say if members have decided to take action that they don’t receive this persons support to take action for their needs
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
The employer NI rise
Continuing the freeze on the personal allowance
Her entire household budget philosophy and her failure to recognise that the government, in the absence of private investment, must drive growth through its own spending.
mmttww
Well-Known Member
Yeah, the absence of anything serious in this space has been really frustrating. Don't understand it when they have the majority they do at the start of a full parliament.
Sky Blue Pete
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Thanks for answering
We need more money where would you have raised it from?
Are you on the too fiscally aware angle? I wild agree but we need to be honest about choices don’t we
Maybe campaigning on an increase in tax would have been more honest and potentially the country would have been ok with it
Grendel
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Increasing NI on employers was stupid. It restricts employment opportunities and causes more damage than it can achieve.
There are less job vacancies YOY and growing unemployment,
The governments whole plan was on a path of economic growth. Every forecast is for a flat lined economy.
Increasing tax and freezing PA should restricts growth even more. I was at a manufacturer meeting of various sized businesses last week. Its the most pessimistic I have seen in the 5 years I have been attending and the government is viewed as worse than even the outgoing one.
Sky Blue Pete
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Thanks you didn’t answer the question but if I may implying that we need to reduce spending what would you be looking at?
How would you sell it
Obviously spending nothing on immigrants is number one with what I’m told is a majority of the country
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Its nothing to do with spending.
Reeves came in on a strategy to grow the economy. Her economic policies don't - they restrict - and business has no confidence in her. She is failing on every metric she set herself.
Pretty sure the government has increased taxes by £40bn pa and changed fiscal rules to increase borrowing by the same per annum. Combined that’s an extra £300-£400bn over the parliament
We currently spend £100bn+ pa servicing debt. Inflation is still nearly double target. You borrow more and debt servicing costs will increase further as we have zero credibility as the markets don’t believe the party will allow treasury to control spending.
I agree that reeves policies in particular NI increase have damaged growth though. It was idiotic and has also probably indirectly increased inflation. The government should’ve had the bottle to just raise main taxes and promised to reduce once finances were in better state….and blamed the Tories. Any above inflation public sector pay rises should’ve had strings attached
fernandopartridge
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There is no real issue with an increase in "borrowing costs", better that than the state of the economy as it is imo.
rob9872
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Question for one of the many economists we have on here:
What's the benefit of servicing debt and borrowing? If all of the major economies have huge national debt, I assume it can only be to the banks, but they'll be privately owned and therefore investing back in those same economies. Why wouldn't an economy like ours, look at quantitative easing and create the money to match their debt then slowly reduce it over time? It would short term devalue the currency, but long term you only owe to yourselves and stop paying interest on interest. I've thought it for a while and pretty sure I'm missing a trick somewhere as greater minds than mine must've considered and dismissed the idea.
What's the benefit of servicing debt and borrowing? If all of the major economies have huge national debt, I assume it can only be to the banks, but they'll be privately owned and therefore investing back in those same economies. Why wouldn't an economy like ours, look at quantitative easing and create the money to match their debt then slowly reduce it over time? It would short term devalue the currency, but long term you only owe to yourselves and stop paying interest on interest. I've thought it for a while and pretty sure I'm missing a trick somewhere as greater minds than mine must've considered and dismissed the idea.
If the investment guarantees growth which outpaces the increase in borrowing costs I agree. Confidence in the government delivering that….hmmmmm
As I’ve said before I genuinely think we and various other developed economies like France, Japan, even US plus various others are in pretty big trouble when it comes to government debt. Desperately need borrowing rates to come down dramatically but that only usually happens in recession