I'm sure I see how a government with a term set to run until 2029 gets broken, what are you expecting to happen?It’s not looking good for this government. The budget will be make or break for Starmer & Reeves.
Andy Burnham has set up a campaign group that is also backing Lucy Powell for deputy leader…
It has the murmurings of a leadership challenge doesn't it.It’s not looking good for this government. The budget will be make or break for Starmer & Reeves.
Andy Burnham has set up a campaign group that is also backing Lucy Powell for deputy leader…
has the murmurings of a leadership challenge.
I'm sure I see how a government with a term set to run until 2029 gets broken, what are you expecting to happen?
Absolute worse case scenario for Labour is a leadership election but even that seems fairly unlikely at the moment.
If the budget goes to absolute shit Starmer throws Reeves under the bus and draws a line under it.
We didn't get an election off the back of Truss' budget or any of the numerous changes of PM with the last government, why would it be different now?
Is any of the chat that Burnham would run in it?
Well he clearly can't run in it, he's not an MP.Is any of the chat that Burnham would run in it?
What do you do when there’s no money?
It has the murmurings of a leadership challenge doesn't it.
How?
I'm not suggesting that, but the impression I get is of people getting their ducks in a row to get rid of a man and dim-witted accomplice who is completely tanking the party.There’s no route to Burnham as leader. What he’s playing at god knows but the man didn’t stand out next to Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall. There’s no potential leader and the membership wouldn’t take kindly to it.
I'm not suggesting that, but the impression I get is of people getting their ducks in a row to get rid of a man and dim-witted accomplice who is completely tanking the party.
No one can even name a challenger.
Maybe at least someone with more charisma and personal appeal.Just can’t see it happening. And appoint who exactly who is going to magically solve all the problems Starmer and Reeves are facing? Just seems like wishcasting on all sides. No one can even name a challenger.
Maybe at least someone with more charisma and personal appeal.
I mean we have loads of MPs to choose from. Is Starmer really the most able of them all?Oh well just grab one of the fifteen charismatic left wingers off the shelf.
What are the rules on getting Mamdani a seat?
Yeah, it's pretty slim pickings. All a bit grim.
I mean we have loads of MPs to choose from. Is Starmer really the most able of them all?
When you’re going for two time loser Burnham as your great white hope you know you’re in trouble.
Which is exactly where Starmer is. In very deep shit, much of which is of his own making. If his selling point was quiet competence and an end to scandal, he's fucked it properly, hasn't he.
Burnham, at least, has a hint of charisma, and might even take forward some of the vaguely left-ish policies which Starmer abandoned as soon he got the leadership of the party. If only he was the son of a toolmaker, eh.
In the next election, it's not going to be about getting rid of the Tories. So it might be an idea for Labour to find someone with a bit of passion who is actually willing take the fight to Reform.
100% and Starmer would lose in the event of a challenge. He’s betrayed his mandate to the membership.It has the murmurings of a leadership challenge doesn't it.
Plenty of unprecedented things happen. It’s certainly a worrying sign when the government is struggling to fill junior ministerial roles when there’s no shortage of MPs.I'm sure I see how a government with a term set to run until 2029 gets broken, what are you expecting to happen?
Absolute worse case scenario for Labour is a leadership election but even that seems fairly unlikely at the moment.
If the budget goes to absolute shit Starmer throws Reeves under the bus and draws a line under it.
We didn't get an election off the back of Truss' budget or any of the numerous changes of PM with the last government, why would it be different now?
Starmer hasn't got any leverage from what I can see. Not enough MPs are willing to join the sinking ship of his cabinet, and if he called an election he'd almost certainly lose.100% and Starmer would lose in the event of a challenge. He’s betrayed his mandate to the membership.
Plenty of unprecedented things happen. It’s certainly a worrying sign when the government is struggling to fill junior ministerial roles when there’s no shortage of MPs.
It could be the case that Starmer threatens to call a GE to keep a rebellion in line, for example, on cutting welfare which Starmer seems to want a second shot at. A loss of a key vote, such as a budget, would typically push a PM to call a GE (May didn’t tbf) but Boris did call a GE to get his agenda and Brexit deal through parliament. That may be something a new Labour PM would do, particularly if they got a bump in the polls.
The bottom line is that a government needs a mandate and the Johnson-Truss-Sunak years were all continuing the 2020 manifesto, so they said. With relation to Labour, they’ve passed most of their manifesto pledges and any new measures do not have a mandate. This is why they’re struggling to govern because their MPs on razor thin majorities won’t back anything unpopular. These MPs didn’t stand in a platform to cut welfare or government spending of any kind.
McSweeney and Reeves will be next, then Starmer will fall.
H&M Autumn Winter 2025 mate….. it’s a banger.lol what is that thing on the right wearing
There’s no viable route for Burnham. He’s the David Miliband of the Starmer years, the king across the water. And like the right during the Corbyn years there’s no one with a vision who can unite the membership.
Also Labour members really don’t like not giving leaders a chance. I think this is some clumsy opportunism but I can’t see a viable route to a serious challenge.
That's a fair enough analysis mate, though I'd opine that the membership (perhaps as opposed to the PLP), would be very much behind a candidate who would shift back towards the left, if only a little.
Just as a hypothetical then, without sniping, could you see a situation like this playing out over the next few years...
Starmer's ratings continue to tank. Burnham decides to get into Parliament, via a by-election. The PLP, terrified now of an electoral wipeout and losing their own seats, mutiny and defenestrate Starmer.
In that case, what other candidates step up? Anyone in a senior position on the current cabinet is tainted by Starmer. Who's left?
At this point you'd have to think Labour's best chance of re-election might be to put forward a 'change' candidate with a obviously different approach to Starmer. Thoughts?
He’s in a doom loop and he’s in government but not in power. Whilst I don’t know how things will unfold, we’ll have a general election before 2028.Starmer hasn't got any leverage from what I can see. Not enough MPs are willing to join the sinking ship of his cabinet, and if he called an election he'd almost certainly lose.
His only way out of this is to start doing his fucking job properly.
Shows what kind of weirdo freaks some of them areH&M Autumn Winter 2025 mate….. it’s a banger.
Someone’s going to have to raise taxes to fix the shit that’s been wrecked and the best time to do that is right now. Probably best case would be Starmer does that and in a year or two a magical British Mamdani appears who can provide charisma. Cos until then you’re looking at the likes of Wes Streeting FFS.
A Mamdani type would be ignored for being ‘hard left’ probably.I think a change now would mean calls for a GE and tie into chaos memes. I think he’s going to have to tough it out and change direction internally.
No amount of left wing thinking is going to make money appear. Burnham (who BTW is to the right of Brown!) is hanging it on fantasy wealth taxes that even if they worked wouldn’t touch the sides.
Someone’s going to have to raise taxes to fix the shit that’s been wrecked and the best time to do that is right now. Probably best case would be Starmer does that and in a year or two a magical British Mamdani appears who can provide charisma. Cos until then you’re looking at the likes of Wes Streeting FFS.
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