Do you want to discuss boring politics? (13 Viewers)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · 2025-08-25T11:25:08+0100

shmmeee said:
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Who does he think you have to ask at the moment?

"The freedom to do everything unless there's a law that says you can't". As opposed to now, which is different how?

It's also a meaningless, and even dangerous, thing to say and sounds like a fascist. Unless there's a law that says you can't. Like a law saying you can't criticise Farage/the government. Or a law saying you can't stay in the country if you/your parents are foreign born. Or a law banning certain religions like Islam. Or a law saying that any criticism of capitalism (or support of socialism/communism/trade unions) is banned. Or a law stating that gay/trans people and showing support via Pride/ant-racism/Stonewall is banned.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · 2025-08-25T11:26:16+0100

shmmeee said:
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Who does he think you have to ask at the moment?

Other thing with that. Isn't that tagline seemingly promoting the Green party?

SBT · 2025-08-25T11:29:35+0100

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's also a meaningless, and even dangerous, thing to say and sounds like a fascist. Unless there's a law that says you can't.

It sounds more libertarian than fascist tbh (both are typically dumb)

Grendel · 2025-08-25T12:05:38+0100

Is Blunkett supporting fascism?

Lord Blunkett: PM should suspend ECHR to deport asylum seekers

The ex-Labour home secretary urged ministers to take the 'radical' step as fury grows over the use of nearly 200 hotels to house 32,000 asylum seekers at taxpayers' expense

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ian1779 · 2025-08-25T12:06:46+0100

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
"The freedom to do everything unless there's a law that says you can't". As opposed to now, which is different how?

It's also a meaningless, and even dangerous, thing to say and sounds like a fascist. Unless there's a law that says you can't. Like a law saying you can't criticise Farage/the government. Or a law saying you can't stay in the country if you/your parents are foreign born. Or a law banning certain religions like Islam. Or a law saying that any criticism of capitalism (or support of socialism/communism/trade unions) is banned. Or a law stating that gay/trans people and showing support via Pride/ant-racism/Stonewall is banned.

Farage is out there inspiring true patriots to reclaim our country - one mini roundabout at a time.

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-08-25T12:45:59+0100

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes, still around 2/3 of the country disapproving of both Starmer and Labour. Maybe they are just actually doing a crap job?

It’s partly that but they are also blamed for the previous 15 years

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-08-25T12:47:23+0100

Grendel said:
Is Blunkett supporting fascism?

Lord Blunkett: PM should suspend ECHR to deport asylum seekers

The ex-Labour home secretary urged ministers to take the 'radical' step as fury grows over the use of nearly 200 hotels to house 32,000 asylum seekers at taxpayers' expense

www.dailymail.co.uk

I don’t understand why now when 56000 were in hotels 3 years ago

Brighton Sky Blue · 2025-08-25T13:01:56+0100

Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s partly that but they are also blamed for the previous 15 years

If that is true it’s because they appear little different

Grendel · 2025-08-25T13:06:56+0100

Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s partly that but they are also blamed for the previous 15 years

Im sorry that’s nonsense. It’s only as its business as usual under Labour and Starmer himself is just a pathetic leader with zero inspiration.

It’s actually funny that people say Putin plays Trump like a fiddle. Farage sets Starmers agenda. He tells Starmer to fo a silly dance and Starmer does it

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-08-25T13:07:09+0100

Brighton Sky Blue said:
If that is true it’s because they appear little different

From day 1

fatso · 2025-08-25T13:08:43+0100

Sky Blue Pete said:
I don’t understand why now when 56000 were in hotels 3 years ago

Because 3 years ago, that was only supposed to be a temporary measure.

Brighton Sky Blue · 2025-08-25T13:12:24+0100

Grendel said:
Im sorry that’s nonsense. It’s only as its business as usual under Labour and Starmer himself is just a pathetic leader with zero inspiration.

It’s actually funny that people say Putin plays Trump like a fiddle. Farage sets Starmers agenda. He tells Starmer to fo a silly dance and Starmer does it

No spine
No charisma
No clue

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-08-25T13:16:09+0100

fatso said:
Because 3 years ago, that was only supposed to be a temporary measure.

The illegal plan for Rwanda??

chiefdave · 2025-08-25T13:16:34+0100

The question that seems to be getting avoided in all this is are we 'happy' to keep taking the number of genuine refugees we currently take. Or more likely with us not being that far off mass displacement due to climate change are we happy with ever increasing numbers.

We need the system to run more efficiently and they seem to be taking steps towards that but the ultimate result is that the vast majority of applications end up being successful. Getting people out of hotels isn't going to change that and I fear that if you solved that issue overnight you'd pretty quickly have the same people complaining about other parts of the system.

For me ultimately we question how many people we, as a country, can cope with taking because every system in the country is fucked from years of underinvestment.

fatso · 2025-08-25T13:24:27+0100

Sky Blue Pete said:
The illegal plan for Rwanda??

That's now been replaced with no fucking plan whatsoever.

wingy · 2025-08-25T13:33:05+0100

Brighton Sky Blue said:
If that is true it’s because they appear little different

Sound's an excellent idea, just ignore the road markings like at present ,!!

wingy · 2025-08-25T13:34:50+0100

chiefdave said:
The question that seems to be getting avoided in all this is are we 'happy' to keep taking the number of genuine refugees we currently take. Or more likely with us not being that far off mass displacement due to climate change are we happy with ever increasing numbers.

We need the system to run more efficiently and they seem to be taking steps towards that but the ultimate result is that the vast majority of applications end up being successful. Getting people out of hotels isn't going to change that and I fear that if you solved that issue overnight you'd pretty quickly have the same people complaining about other parts of the system.

For me ultimately we question how many people we, as a country, can cope with taking because every system in the country is fucked from years of underinvestment.

Displacement read's Replacement here.

SBT · 2025-08-25T14:00:07+0100

Grendel said:
Is Blunkett supporting fascism?

Blunkett has been targeting migrants and eroding civil liberties since before it was cool, truly a man ahead of his time.

wingy · 2025-08-25T14:02:01+0100

SBT said:
Blunkett has been targeting migrants and eroding civil liberties since before it was cool, truly a man ahead of his time.

Can't argue with that!

Grendel · 2025-08-25T14:18:40+0100

SBT said:
Blunkett has been targeting migrants and eroding civil liberties since before it was cool, truly a man ahead of his time.

Would you say then he is politically far right?

SBT · 2025-08-25T14:27:48+0100

Grendel said:
Would you say then he is politically far right?

Probably not - he was actually quite supportive of some immigrants, specifically the ones who wanted to work as a nanny for his girlfriend.

Grendel · 2025-08-25T14:28:04+0100

Another eroding civil liberties by not wanting European courts to influence the UK

First Labour MP calls for withdrawal from ECHR

Graham Stringer urges Sir Keir Starmer to leave convention and says UK needs laws that apply to ‘current situation’

www.telegraph.co.uk

SkyBlueDom26 · 2025-08-25T15:53:52+0100

Grendel said:
Another eroding civil liberties by not wanting European courts to influence the UK

First Labour MP calls for withdrawal from ECHR

Graham Stringer urges Sir Keir Starmer to leave convention and says UK needs laws that apply to ‘current situation’

www.telegraph.co.uk

Would love us to leave that, the crying from the SBT (think they are right about everything) clowns would be classic. It’s wrong that we’d want to control things according to them

shmmeee · 2025-08-25T16:14:31+0100

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes, still around 2/3 of the country disapproving of both Starmer and Labour. Maybe they are just actually doing a crap job?

Best get our Nige in. He’ll sort it out. I think there’s been an absolutely insane reaction to a fairly middle of the road govt from left and right. Right I understand it’s been 14 years they’re having a fit. We’re starting to see signs around the economy picking up, green energy has been absolutely supercharged. I’m not going to give you a party political broadcast you have Google. Good things are happening but that doesn’t get you as many like as posting Beer Korma and that Labour are Tories or laughably as a certain Cov MP said today war criminals. Are they perfect? No. Are the better than the last decade or so? Yes. Does it take more than five minutes to judge a new government? Also yes. Is having a strop that the new socialist republic hasn’t been formed yet and splitting the left when the far right is more ascendant than any time since the war a noble idea? Fuck no.

Farmer Jim · 2025-08-25T17:43:42+0100

Ian1779 said:
Farage is out there inspiring true patriots to reclaim our country - one mini roundabout at a time.

Don`t forget all the Union Jacks hanging off motorway bridges too - one bridge at a time.

Brighton Sky Blue · 2025-08-25T17:50:40+0100

shmmeee said:
Best get our Nige in. He’ll sort it out. I think there’s been an absolutely insane reaction to a fairly middle of the road govt from left and right. Right I understand it’s been 14 years they’re having a fit. We’re starting to see signs around the economy picking up, green energy has been absolutely supercharged. I’m not going to give you a party political broadcast you have Google. Good things are happening but that doesn’t get you as many like as posting Beer Korma and that Labour are Tories or laughably as a certain Cov MP said today war criminals. Are they perfect? No. Are the better than the last decade or so? Yes. Does it take more than five minutes to judge a new government? Also yes. Is having a strop that the new socialist republic hasn’t been formed yet and splitting the left when the far right is more ascendant than any time since the war a noble idea? Fuck no.

I don’t know how many times this needs stating, I’m not a socialist, I just expect better from a Labour government than this. And it appears the vast majority of the country agree.

Why is your head in the sand on that?

Ian1779 · 2025-08-25T18:01:49+0100

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Would love us to leave that, the crying from the SBT (think they are right about everything) clowns would be classic. It’s wrong that we’d want to control things according to them

Mate you don’t even know what it is or what it does

SkyBlueDom26 · 2025-08-25T18:12:03+0100

Ian1779 said:
Mate you don’t even know what it is or what it does

Ah yes, a reply from Ian was always on the cards

Ian1779 · 2025-08-25T18:13:28+0100

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Ah yes, a reply from Ian was always on the cards

As was an attempt at a witty retort from you.

Can’t answer the question though can you - you’re just Farage’s useful idiot that claims to be a ‘critical thinker’

SkyBlueDom26 · 2025-08-25T18:14:43+0100

Ian1779 said:
As was an attempt at a witty retort from you.

Can’t answer the question though can you - you’re just Farage’s useful idiot that claims to be a ‘critical thinker’

It’s about time we make our own decisions in the UK, of course you’d want the EU to influence us as your in bed with them. Even the party you support are starting to be for it. Hilarious how it’s wrong to not one someone else controlling us

Ian1779 · 2025-08-25T18:27:55+0100

SkyBlueDom26 said:
It’s about time we make our own decisions in the UK, of course you’d want the EU to influence us as your in bed with them. Even the party you support are starting to be for it. Hilarious how it’s wrong to not one someone else controlling us

Name a single decision made by the ECHR that negatively impacts on YOUR life

SkyBlueDom26 · 2025-08-25T18:29:36+0100

Ian1779 said:
Name a single decision made by the ECHR that negatively impacts on YOUR life

Oh m888, it’s not that deep to be arguing with you on here. It’s like talking to a brick wall with 95% of you on here anyway so I can’t even be arsed to go into detail

Brighton Sky Blue · 2025-08-25T18:29:50+0100

SkyBlueDom26 said:
It’s about time we make our own decisions in the UK, of course you’d want the EU to influence us as your in bed with them. Even the party you support are starting to be for it. Hilarious how it’s wrong to not one someone else controlling us

Another member of the forum so quick to shit on one of Churchill’s legacies.

Ian1779 · 2025-08-25T18:34:07+0100

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Oh m888, it’s not that deep to be arguing with you on here. It’s like talking to a brick wall with 95% of you on here anyway so I can’t even be arsed to go into detail

chiefdave · 2025-08-25T18:34:09+0100

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