Do you want to discuss boring politics? (16 Viewers)

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

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Who does he think you have to ask at the moment?

"The freedom to do everything unless there's a law that says you can't". As opposed to now, which is different how?

It's also a meaningless, and even dangerous, thing to say and sounds like a fascist. Unless there's a law that says you can't. Like a law saying you can't criticise Farage/the government. Or a law saying you can't stay in the country if you/your parents are foreign born. Or a law banning certain religions like Islam. Or a law saying that any criticism of capitalism (or support of socialism/communism/trade unions) is banned. Or a law stating that gay/trans people and showing support via Pride/ant-racism/Stonewall is banned.

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

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Who does he think you have to ask at the moment?

Other thing with that. Isn't that tagline seemingly promoting the Green party?

 

[SBT]

It's also a meaningless, and even dangerous, thing to say and sounds like a fascist. Unless there's a law that says you can't.

It sounds more libertarian than fascist tbh (both are typically dumb)

 

[Grendel]

Is Blunkett supporting fascism?

Lord Blunkett: PM should suspend ECHR to deport asylum seekers

The ex-Labour home secretary urged ministers to take the 'radical' step as fury grows over the use of nearly 200 hotels to house 32,000 asylum seekers at taxpayers' expense

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Ian1779]

"The freedom to do everything unless there's a law that says you can't". As opposed to now, which is different how?

It's also a meaningless, and even dangerous, thing to say and sounds like a fascist. Unless there's a law that says you can't. Like a law saying you can't criticise Farage/the government. Or a law saying you can't stay in the country if you/your parents are foreign born. Or a law banning certain religions like Islam. Or a law saying that any criticism of capitalism (or support of socialism/communism/trade unions) is banned. Or a law stating that gay/trans people and showing support via Pride/ant-racism/Stonewall is banned.

Farage is out there inspiring true patriots to reclaim our country - one mini roundabout at a time.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yes, still around 2/3 of the country disapproving of both Starmer and Labour. Maybe they are just actually doing a crap job?

It’s partly that but they are also blamed for the previous 15 years

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Is Blunkett supporting fascism?

Lord Blunkett: PM should suspend ECHR to deport asylum seekers

The ex-Labour home secretary urged ministers to take the 'radical' step as fury grows over the use of nearly 200 hotels to house 32,000 asylum seekers at taxpayers' expense

www.dailymail.co.uk

I don’t understand why now when 56000 were in hotels 3 years ago

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s partly that but they are also blamed for the previous 15 years

If that is true it’s because they appear little different

 

[Grendel]

It’s partly that but they are also blamed for the previous 15 years

Im sorry that’s nonsense. It’s only as its business as usual under Labour and Starmer himself is just a pathetic leader with zero inspiration.

It’s actually funny that people say Putin plays Trump like a fiddle. Farage sets Starmers agenda. He tells Starmer to fo a silly dance and Starmer does it

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

If that is true it’s because they appear little different

From day 1

 

[fatso]

I don’t understand why now when 56000 were in hotels 3 years ago

Because 3 years ago, that was only supposed to be a temporary measure.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Im sorry that’s nonsense. It’s only as its business as usual under Labour and Starmer himself is just a pathetic leader with zero inspiration.

It’s actually funny that people say Putin plays Trump like a fiddle. Farage sets Starmers agenda. He tells Starmer to fo a silly dance and Starmer does it

No spine
No charisma
No clue

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Because 3 years ago, that was only supposed to be a temporary measure.

The illegal plan for Rwanda??

 

[chiefdave]

The question that seems to be getting avoided in all this is are we 'happy' to keep taking the number of genuine refugees we currently take. Or more likely with us not being that far off mass displacement due to climate change are we happy with ever increasing numbers.

We need the system to run more efficiently and they seem to be taking steps towards that but the ultimate result is that the vast majority of applications end up being successful. Getting people out of hotels isn't going to change that and I fear that if you solved that issue overnight you'd pretty quickly have the same people complaining about other parts of the system.

For me ultimately we question how many people we, as a country, can cope with taking because every system in the country is fucked from years of underinvestment.

 

[fatso]

The illegal plan for Rwanda??

That's now been replaced with no fucking plan whatsoever.

 

[wingy]

If that is true it’s because they appear little different

Sound's an excellent idea, just ignore the road markings like at present ,!!

 

[wingy]

The question that seems to be getting avoided in all this is are we 'happy' to keep taking the number of genuine refugees we currently take. Or more likely with us not being that far off mass displacement due to climate change are we happy with ever increasing numbers.

We need the system to run more efficiently and they seem to be taking steps towards that but the ultimate result is that the vast majority of applications end up being successful. Getting people out of hotels isn't going to change that and I fear that if you solved that issue overnight you'd pretty quickly have the same people complaining about other parts of the system.

For me ultimately we question how many people we, as a country, can cope with taking because every system in the country is fucked from years of underinvestment.

Displacement read's Replacement here.

 

[SBT]

Is Blunkett supporting fascism?

Blunkett has been targeting migrants and eroding civil liberties since before it was cool, truly a man ahead of his time.

 

[wingy]

Blunkett has been targeting migrants and eroding civil liberties since before it was cool, truly a man ahead of his time.

Can't argue with that!

 

[Grendel]

Blunkett has been targeting migrants and eroding civil liberties since before it was cool, truly a man ahead of his time.

Would you say then he is politically far right?

 

[SBT]

Would you say then he is politically far right?

Probably not - he was actually quite supportive of some immigrants, specifically the ones who wanted to work as a nanny for his girlfriend.

 

[Grendel]

Another eroding civil liberties by not wanting European courts to influence the UK

First Labour MP calls for withdrawal from ECHR

Graham Stringer urges Sir Keir Starmer to leave convention and says UK needs laws that apply to ‘current situation’

www.telegraph.co.uk