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Brighton Sky Blue

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Exactly what I was about to post. It's this single fact that irritates me more than any other. No problem in anyone wanting a better life, we won the lottery being born here, but why always single males? If my family was at risk I'd die helping them get the fk away not leave them and say I'll send for you when I'm settled.
Because the journey's a risk and the man stands a better chance of earning enough to send back. Just a guess, not sure what reasons are given.

Interested to know what @Marty and @Earlsdon_Skyblue1 found funny about the idea that a person can't be 'illegal' though.
 

fatso

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Exactly what I was about to post. It's this single fact that irritates me more than any other. No problem in anyone wanting a better life, we won the lottery being born here, but why always single males? If my family was at risk I'd die helping them get the fk away not leave them and say I'll send for you when I'm settled.
Exactly, we took the women and children from Ukraine, and welcomed them with open arms!
 

rob9872

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Because the journey's a risk and the man stands a better chance of earning enough to send back. Just a guess, not sure what reasons are given.

Interested to know what @Marty and @Earlsdon_Skyblue1 found funny about the idea that a person can't be 'illegal' though.
This isn't about earning potential. Asylum is about risk and leaving war torn areas. If that's true get your family away. If its not then it's only what everyone argues against which whatever term you find acceptable, but tgey are unwanted, cost money and should be stopped and returned. Simply here for free benefits not given anywhere else or why risk leaving France? Any other argument for their reason has to be bollocks.
 

chiefdave

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Where are their women and children?
Exactly what I was about to post. It's this single fact that irritates me more than any other. No problem in anyone wanting a better life, we won the lottery being born here, but why always single males?
I also think people's views would be different if it was coach loads of women and children. Mine would.
It’s mostly single males in hotels because despite some people believing they’re having a great time living in 5* hotels spending their time having spa days the home office consider hotel’s accommodation of last resort. As it’s considered the worst option women and children are prioritised for the ‘better’ accommodation.

If you look at the figures for 2024 30% of asylum seekers were women and 20% children.

The reason for more men than women and children is widely believed to be down to two factors. Firstly they are often coming from countries where there is still the believe that the man is the head of the family and therefore both more likely to be a target in times of conflict and also more likely to risk entering the country via a dangerous route.

Which leads on to the second factor which is that it’s often the case that the male crosses first hoping to successfully claim asylum at which point his family can enter the country via a safe route thanks to the family reunification program.
 

rob9872

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It’s mostly single males in hotels because despite some people believing they’re having a great time living in 5* hotels spending their time having spa days the home office consider hotel’s accommodation of last resort. As it’s considered the worst option women and children are prioritised for the ‘better’ accommodation.

If you look at the figures for 2024 30% of asylum seekers were women and 20% children.

The reason for more men than women and children is widely believed to be down to two factors. Firstly they are often coming from countries where there is still the believe that the man is the head of the family and therefore both more likely to be a target in times of conflict and also more likely to risk entering the country via a dangerous route.

Which leads on to the second factor which is that it’s often the case that the male crosses first hoping to successfully claim asylum at which point his family can enter the country via a safe route thanks to the family reunification program.
So you believe they're actively splitting families up, putting women and children in some accommodation and sending busloads of husbands to hotels? I'm sorry, but I've not seen any footage of groups of women and kids and at the very minimum am skeptical of those quoted percentages.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Exactly what I was about to post. It's this single fact that irritates me more than any other. No problem in anyone wanting a better life, we won the lottery being born here, but why always single males? If my family was at risk I'd die helping them get the fk away not leave them and say I'll send for you when I'm settled.
Well our rules are part of the reason for that.

Talk about immigration and one of the first things is "they should pay their own way!" Which is fine, but that means the criteria we set to come here are largely based around economic factors. People in another thread are at pains to point out the difference in culture, and for many the role of a woman is to stay and home and have children - not going to meet our criteria to come here are they.

Plus as people have said it's a perilous (often costly) journey and it can be much easier and safer to get family across once another family member is already here. So you could have family follow in a much safer way later on.

Of course I understand the thought that if what they're fleeing is so bad you would want to get your wife and children out first, but as I say it's not that simple because nowhere else wants to take you.

So what do we do?

Do we say men have to be married to be allowed in? Cos that could easily be manipulated with convenience/sham marriages, or some that are married but hold medieval views towards women anyway due to culture or whatever. And even with genuine, nice immigrants you'd still have people here complaining they were coming for the child benefits because they're from a culture with a high birth rate (whether it's true or not).

Do we only allow women and children to come? Although they would arguably garner more sympathy there would still be the complaints they were taking up housing and school places, plus more likely to rely on state handouts because they're from a culture where women don't 'work' in the sense we take it as going out and earning money through employment. And even then they'd surely be wanting to bring their husbands to keep the family together and you just end up with the men anyway, or you split up the family and the issues that causes because you don't want the men.

I agree we need to improve the system, predominantly around quicker processing, and some of my thoughts would infuriate a lot of left wing liberals. I'd be happy for anyone to have to be held securely until they're processed and if they complain then offer them a ticket home instead. And for those that come here without documentation and refuse to reveal their identity/nationality then they can be considered undesirable, have their application denied purely on that and where stuff like Rwanda could possibly come in. If we don't know where you're from we can send you to any other country that has agreed to take you.
 

wingy

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I also think people's views would be different if it was coach loads of women and children. Mine would.
We don't know the motivations of politicians whatever their ilk,there could be reason's that we are not aware of, especially to put up with the flak they take over this, maybe they'll be in the army when we decide who's the enemy?
 

GIMOC

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It’s mostly single males in hotels because despite some people believing they’re having a great time living in 5* hotels spending their time having spa days the home office consider hotel’s accommodation of last resort. As it’s considered the worst option women and children are prioritised for the ‘better’ accommodation.

If you look at the figures for 2024 30% of asylum seekers were women and 20% children.

The reason for more men than women and children is widely believed to be down to two factors. Firstly they are often coming from countries where there is still the believe that the man is the head of the family and therefore both more likely to be a target in times of conflict and also more likely to risk entering the country via a dangerous route.

Which leads on to the second factor which is that it’s often the case that the male crosses first hoping to successfully claim asylum at which point his family can enter the country via a safe route thanks to the family reunification program.

you might have got away with that 5 years ago but that’s just rubbish now

majority of men now are young 20’s no families they are coming here because they can’t free accommodation, food and other benefits

most people in this country now see through it and are fed up

with your nonsense above, you are in the minority now but can’t help but try and spin it
 

chiefdave

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So you believe they're actively splitting families up, putting women and children in some accommodation and sending busloads of husbands to hotels? I'm sorry, but I've not seen any footage of groups of women and kids and at the very minimum am skeptical of those quoted percentages.
No I believe that single males are top of the list for hotel accommodation. Didn’t think it was a particularly complex concept.

If you’re going to just deny the governments figures for asylum claims it’s going to be near impossible to have a serious discussion on how to resolve any issues with the current system.
 

chiefdave

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you might have got away with that 5 years ago but that’s just rubbish now

majority of men now are young 20’s no families they are coming here because they can’t free accommodation, food and other benefits

most people in this country now see through it and are fed up

with your nonsense above, you are in the minority now but can’t help but try and spin it
Except those figures aren’t from years ago. They’re the figures from the home office for 2024, not really possible to have the figures for 2025 seeing as the year hasn’t finished.
 

Nick

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No I believe that single males are top of the list for hotel accommodation. Didn’t think it was a particularly complex concept.

If you’re going to just deny the governments figures for asylum claims it’s going to be near impossible to have a serious discussion on how to resolve any issues with the current system.
What's the percentage share of men, women and kids entering on boats / illegally for example?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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So why aren't the government using secure camps and just allowing them to wander round unvetted?
I'm not sure. I guess because there are laws stating doing so is inhumane and against things like the Geneva convention.

Personally I don't see a problem from a public safety perspective of keeping immigrants and asylum seekers in a secure environment while we ensure they are safe, even though I'm sure the vast majority of them will be. But the law doesn't agree with me. I know it's "innocent until proven guilty" but if you are genuinely searching for asylum because of fears in your homeland then a secure facility here is still going to be better. And if that stops the 1 in 1k that are a bad apple attacking someone or committing a crime then so be it.
 

GIMOC

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Except those figures aren’t from years ago. They’re the figures from the home office for 2024, not really possible to have the figures for 2025 seeing as the year hasn’t finished.

lol so what are the figures you are referring to?

everyone of the videos I see show young early 20’s men with phones, designer clothes coming over loving it on the boats

genuine asylum seekers will be coming for the family but the ones on the boats definitely not

look at the Labour mp other week on news night telling everyone that majority coming over were women and children. he got laughed at but he genuinely meant what he said because that’s his narrative
 

chiefdave

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What's the percentage share of men, women and kids entering on boats / illegally for example?
Can’t find those stats, only think I can find is something from the commons library saying 29% of asylum seekers arrive by small boats.

The small boats thing is entirely a problem of our own making. There’s a reason the use of that route to entry was virtually non existent prior to 2018.
 

ccfc922

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Exactly what I was about to post. It's this single fact that irritates me more than any other. No problem in anyone wanting a better life, we won the lottery being born here, but why always single males? If my family was at risk I'd die helping them get the fk away not leave them and say I'll send for you when I'm settled.

Because I doubt they're here as family men searching for a better life to bring their family, as much as people like to peddle that line.
 

fatso

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It’s mostly single males in hotels because despite some people believing they’re having a great time living in 5* hotels spending their time having spa days the home office consider hotel’s accommodation of last resort. As it’s considered the worst option women and children are prioritised for the ‘better’ accommodation.

If you look at the figures for 2024 30% of asylum seekers were women and 20% children.

The reason for more men than women and children is widely believed to be down to two factors. Firstly they are often coming from countries where there is still the believe that the man is the head of the family and therefore both more likely to be a target in times of conflict and also more likely to risk entering the country via a dangerous route.

Which leads on to the second factor which is that it’s often the case that the male crosses first hoping to successfully claim asylum at which point his family can enter the country via a safe route thanks to the family reunification program.
Oh fucking great, so in reality the numbers planning to relocate here will in reality be more than double what we are currently experiencing?

Thats the end of our economy then, the end of the NHS, and state pensions, and the welfare state bankrupt.
How else are we to house more than double the current numbers? And who pays for it all???

And what "better accomodation" are you referring to? Where are the women and children being housed???

If its the rental market and/or council houses, then where do our own people go???

If rents go up or demand increases because of all the imigrant women and children being housed, what does that mean for our own young people and families???
 

ccfc922

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‘Illegals’. This isn’t the US and a human being cannot be ‘illegal’.

Entering a country without appropriate documents is an illegal act, as much as you'd like to say otherwise.

Go to any country in the world, throw away your passport and try and walk through customs if you think you can?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Entering a country without appropriate documents is an illegal act, as much as you'd like to say otherwise.

Go to any country in the world, throw away your passport and try and walk through customs if you think you can?
Explain to me how a human is ‘illegal’.
 

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