There's definitely no way kids will work out a way round this. In what world is kids having secret handsets and secret accounts that parents have no oversight over going to improve things?Social media limits for children are being planned by the government to tackle "compulsive" screen time, the technology secretary has told Sky News.
Peter Kyle said he was concerned about "the overall amount of time kids spend on these apps" as well as the content they see.
A two-hour cap per platform is being seriously considered after meetings with current and former employees of tech companies. A night-time or school-time curfew has also been discussed.
Children would be blocked from accessing apps such as TikTok or Snapchat once they have hit the limit, rather than just reminded of how long they have been scrolling, it is understood.
An announcement on screen time is expected this autumn.
Genuinely though, why look for footage? There have been people dying in awful circumstances all of my life and no doubt the same for everybody else.Saw some horrific footage today of a father queueing for aid for his family just dropping down dead in the queue. I don't know how people can not be impacted by this kind of thing and just brush it off and move on with their day.
More people were killed in terror attacks on the UK mainland in the 10 years following the Terrorism Act than the preceding 10 years.Explains why he’s thick as pig shit then.
The law is “property damage” from what I can see neither JSO nor XR broke £500k, though I’ve not idea if there’s a legal limit that makes it “serious property damage” £7m is on another planet. You’re also interfering with the defence of the UK, so if a govt lawyer wanted could argue the harms could be incalculable.
Same Q though, I can buy removing property damage or setting the bar differently, but would we be happy with Islamic terrorists not being charged just because they only destroyed millions?
I dunno, I’m not sure there’s a way to square it that leaves terror laws intact and allows extreme direct action. Personally I’d be happy to rip the terror laws up, but I don’t have the British press at my door and aren’t responsible for the safety of the UK.
I don't know why somebody as facile as you comes on to this thread. You are somebody who has said before "they're all the same" aren't you?It is funny somebody is a fence sitter because they won't say what you want them to
Why do you post about various kids who have been neglected and abused to death by their parents? There are plenty of other kids dying in the world, why do you only post about them?Genuinely though, why look for footage? There have been people dying in awful circumstances all of my life and no doubt the same for everybody else.
Yeah there's the internet now but why spend time looking for it and watching it if it is going to impact your day?
Not sure what your screenshot was meant to prove.
Better for people to care about something than nothing. It might seem weird to you and that’s fine, but it also seems understandable that others are affected by human suffering, especially one that’s disproportionately hitting children.Genuinely though, why look for footage? There have been people dying in awful circumstances all of my life and no doubt the same for everybody else.
Yeah there's the internet now but why spend time looking for it and watching it if it is going to impact your day?
More people were killed in terror attacks on the UK mainland in the 10 years following the Terrorism Act than the preceding 10 years.
The limit is 2hr per app isn't it, if so it's pointless.There's definitely no way kids will work out a way round this. In what world is kids having secret handsets and secret accounts that parents have no oversight over going to improve things?
How would it even work, per device, per app, per account? what if its a family ipad, does it lock up when Dad wants to check twitter if the kids have been on it for 2 hours?The limit is 2hr per app isn't it, if so it's pointless.
TikToc
Snapchat
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There is 12 hours there. The kids won't even have to find a way around it!
All on starmer I’m sureYou appear to be under the impression I agree with the Terrorism Act. As opposed to understanding that it is law.
Sadly came across this this morning, it’s a bit old now, what’s happening in NI makes me genuinely ashamed to be British and maybe it’s my bubble but seems totally ignored. I never thought we were the types to be running racist pogroms. But: just property damage right. No people even close to hurt. Probably less damage in terms of value than PA did.
Why is this not justifiable direct action? If you asked the people responsible they would view their cause as just and existential with full certainty.
Edit: wrong link hang on. Sadly multiple places set on fire
Edit edit: seems I was misinformed the arson was in Ireland not part of the recent NI stuff, still:
Coolock: Fire at site earmarked for asylum seekers - BBC News
Dublin Fire Brigade is at the former Crown Paints factory on the Malahide Road in the city.www.bbc.co.uk
Why is this not justifiable direct action? If you asked the people responsible they would view their cause as just and existential with full certainty.
Worth trying though no?How would it even work, per device, per app, per account? what if its a family ipad, does it lock up when Dad wants to check twitter if the kids have been on it for 2 hours?
Been a long time since I worked on any projects that involved child protection but when I did one of the first things parents were told, particular parents of girls, is that they will 100% have more than one account on each app, the one you know about and monitor and at least one that you don't know about. Trying to hammer home to parents who would always be 'my daughter isn't like that' that they are all doing it, secret accounts that only their mates know about.
I just don't see any practical way this works without it ending up like what they've forced upon reddit. They've bought in age verification checks and now there's loads of subreddits, that are in no way adult content, that people can't access without supplying a copy of their driving license or passport. Absolute fucking mess.
Or alternatively, just get parents to have the common sense to confiscate devices when they see fitThere's definitely no way kids will work out a way round this. In what world is kids having secret handsets and secret accounts that parents have no oversight over going to improve things?
Burning down a building creates genuine and known risk to life.You appear to be under the impression I agree with the Terrorism Act. As opposed to understanding that it is law.
Sadly came across this this morning, it’s a bit old now, what’s happening in NI makes me genuinely ashamed to be British and maybe it’s my bubble but seems totally ignored. I never thought we were the types to be running racist pogroms. But: just property damage right. No people even close to hurt. Probably less damage in terms of value than PA did.
Why is this not justifiable direct action? If you asked the people responsible they would view their cause as just and existential with full certainty.
Edit: wrong link hang on. Sadly multiple places set on fire
Edit edit: seems I was misinformed the arson was in Ireland not part of the recent NI stuff, still:
Coolock: Fire at site earmarked for asylum seekers - BBC News
Dublin Fire Brigade is at the former Crown Paints factory on the Malahide Road in the city.www.bbc.co.uk
Why is this not justifiable direct action? If you asked the people responsible they would view their cause as just and existential with full certainty.
Don't go looking for footage, its in the news. I like to try and keep on top of what is happening in the world, as I'm sure many people do. Not like I'm searching stuff out or going to weird and wonderful twitter and YouTube account.Genuinely though, why look for footage? There have been people dying in awful circumstances all of my life and no doubt the same for everybody else.
Yeah there's the internet now but why spend time looking for it and watching it if it is going to impact your day?
Presume you're talking about the horrific targeting of refuges with people setting fire to homes and hotels. Not sure I'd really class that purely as properly damage, or direct action, to me you're in the area of attempted murder.You appear to be under the impression I agree with the Terrorism Act. As opposed to understanding that it is law.
Sadly came across this this morning, it’s a bit old now, what’s happening in NI makes me genuinely ashamed to be British and maybe it’s my bubble but seems totally ignored. I never thought we were the types to be running racist pogroms. But: just property damage right. No people even close to hurt. Probably less damage in terms of value than PA did.
Why is this not justifiable direct action? If you asked the people responsible they would view their cause as just and existential with full certainty.
Edit: wrong link hang on. Sadly multiple places set on fire
Edit edit: seems I was misinformed the arson was in Ireland not part of the recent NI stuff, still:
Coolock: Fire at site earmarked for asylum seekers - BBC News
Dublin Fire Brigade is at the former Crown Paints factory on the Malahide Road in the city.www.bbc.co.uk
Why is this not justifiable direct action? If you asked the people responsible they would view their cause as just and existential with full certainty.
I think it resonates with a lot of people because Israel is seen as a fairly westernised country. They're members of UEFA, compete in Eurovision etc. Rightly or wrongly that causes a different reaction to what is happening somewhere like Myanmar.
When you add in the role the UK is playing in supporting Israel and the refusal of our government to take any action against the invading country, in stark contrast to the situation in Ukraine, and the impression that the government is also clamping down on any dissenting voices, it all adds up to keep it in the spotlight.
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Worth trying though no?How would it even work, per device, per app, per account? what if its a family ipad, does it lock up when Dad wants to check twitter if the kids have been on it for 2 hours?
Been a long time since I worked on any projects that involved child protection but when I did one of the first things parents were told, particular parents of girls, is that they will 100% have more than one account on each app, the one you know about and monitor and at least one that you don't know about. Trying to hammer home to parents who would always be 'my daughter isn't like that' that they are all doing it, secret accounts that only their mates know about.
I just don't see any practical way this works without it ending up like what they've forced upon reddit. They've bought in age verification checks and now there's loads of subreddits, that are in no way adult content, that people can't access without supplying a copy of their driving license or passport. Absolute fucking mess.
Think by the time you're trying to enforce 2 hour limits on apps you've lost the battle.Worth trying though no?
Think we're treading a very fine line atm (like many other "democracies"). Restricting internet usage (whether it's age checks, amount of online time) is still has a feel that there's too much personal information being stored by tech companies, websites or govt.I'm sure AI will find a way to get kids around age verification.Thoughts on the online age verification checks that have come in to today which according to some news reports this morning now mean the UK trails only to the likes of China in terms of internet censorship.
I forgot it was happening until I tried to check bluesky this morning and got blocked unless I provide ID to some random company in some random country. That's despite that having nothing you could remotely class as needing age blocks (just following news & politics accounts to keep it separate from twitter).
So made a quick switch to reddit which is where I just follow music & entertainment stuff and found my feed full of random shit. Going directly to many of the subreddits I am in gave the same blocked from the UK message unless you'll send your ID to another random company.
The responses from someone who campaigned for this in the article below show just how clueless they are. The idea that we're now a few years away from eradicating porn in the UK is lunacy. Kids are light years ahead on this stuff. They'll all have VPNs and be using apps we've never even heard of to share content, and sourcing that content from increasily dodgy parts of the web that don't give two shits about age verification.
The debate: Will the new rules for pornography sites do more harm than good? - BBC News
Age-verification checks on adult websites are introduced on 25 July - but could they lead to even darker consequences?www.bbc.co.uk
How long before there's a massive data leak from one of this, completely unregulated, age verification sites?
twitter is already full of stories of people using AI apps to bypass the visual age checks.Think we're treading a very fine line atm (like many other "democracies"). Restricting internet usage (whether it's age checks, amount of online time) is still has a feel that there's too much personal information being stored by tech companies, websites or govt.I'm sure AI will find a way to get kids around age verification.
Make a similar case for free speech.IMO, the open web will more or less cease to exist within the next 10 years or so.
Indeed...I've already been told to stay in my lane on here and only comment on my local area.Make a similar case for free speech.
IMO, the open web will more or less cease to exist within the next 10 years or so.
The emergence of AI will speed it up - a lot more content will end up being paywalls/subscription-based.If it can be commoditised it will. All that hosted data is going to be held hostage over time. Ticking time bomb.
Think they should put you in charge lad, make the step up from super moderatorThe emergence of AI will speed it up - a lot more content will end up being paywalls/subscription-based.
Thanks, mate.Think they should put you in charge lad, make the step up from super moderator
Honestly it’s a great step up for you. Unless you’d want to be super super moderatorThanks, mate.
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