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Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 5:02 PM

Grendel said:
There have been and continue to be genocide and atrocities everywhere. China and the brutal treatment of its Muslim community. Should we treat them as genocidal maniacs or do we just think they are a bit too important so best say nothing?

Our American friends want to keep funding and arming the Israeli genocide, so we stay silent.

Our Chinese ‘friends’ sell us lots of cheap tat, so we stay silent on their appalling human rights record.

Russia sell fossil fuels to a large wedge of Europe, so they provide some assistance to Ukraine while continuing to guzzle Russian gas.

Western governments make bad foreign policy decisions. Israel is just one of many. Your view seems to be that whatever the British government decides is all above board, I disagree.

Ccfcisparks · Monday at 5:02 PM

Grendel said:
No one expressed any outrage at the China death camps and where women were forced to be sterilised though? Did you?

Nope as I'm not informed on them and not aware of them.

I'm sure when I've had a read up I'll express my outrage.

Will you express any outrage of what Israel are doing to Palastine considering you are aware of it?

Grendel · Monday at 5:03 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Our American friends want to keep funding and arming the Israeli genocide, so we stay silent.

Our Chinese ‘friends’ sell us lots of cheap tat, so we stay silent on their appalling human rights record.

Russia sell fossil fuels to a large wedge of Europe, so they provide some assistance to Ukraine while continuing to guzzle Russian gas.

Western governments make bad foreign policy decisions. Israel is just one of many. Your view seems to be that whatever the British government decides is all above board, I disagree.

So you buy no Chinese products at all. I think thats bollocks to be honest

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 5:04 PM

Grendel said:
No one expressed any outrage at the China death camps and where women were forced to be sterilised though? Did you?

This isn’t the ‘gotcha’ you think it is. The truth is, like Ukraine, you don’t actually care what happens either there or in Gaza. You’ve written as much countless times.

Ccfcisparks · Monday at 5:05 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
This isn’t the ‘gotcha’ you think it is. The truth is, like Ukraine, you don’t actually care what happens either there or in Gaza. You’ve written as much countless times.

I find it really really odd to be honest. Jumping through hoops not to say its appalling whats happening when most people at a human level can see that the killing of women and children is bad regardless of grown up politics.

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 5:05 PM

Grendel said:
So you buy no Chinese products at all. I think thats bollocks to be honest

Let’s be ‘grown up’ about this.

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 5:08 PM

Ccfcisparks said:
I find it really really odd to be honest. Jumping through hoops not to say it’s appalling whats happening when most people at a human level can see that the killing of women and children is bad regardless of grown up politics.

He has circled the drain on it by saying that ‘atrocities happen all the time’. This is the problem when your whole online persona is to be an edgelording contrarian, you have to adopt overtly farcical positions to keep up the act.

Ccfcisparks · Monday at 5:09 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
He has circled the drain on it by saying that ‘atrocities happen all the time’. This is the problem when your whole online persona is to be an edgelording contrarian, you have to adopt overtly farcical positions to keep up the act.

Yes I am just assuming at this point its commitment to the bit.

I hope it is anyway as he comes across as a bit of a narcissist

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 5:12 PM

Ccfcisparks said:
Yes I am just assuming at this point its commitment to the bit.

I hope it is anyway as he comes across as a bit of a narcissist

To say we should just all agree with what the government does on this issue, but no others, is bizarre. Should we just applaud Rachel Reeves’ handling of the economy because she’s the Chancellor?

SBT · Monday at 5:12 PM

Grendel said:
No one expressed any outrage at the China death camps and where women were forced to be sterilised though? Did you?

Did you? You seem to bring it up mainly as a rhetorical device for pointscoring.

skybluetony176 · Monday at 5:26 PM

Grendel said:
I do not think I have disputed she had to go to prison

That wasn’t the question. The question was is she a terrorist?

shmmeee · Monday at 5:28 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Said from the start, they broke the law, they were rightfully arrested and will rightfully have prison time.

The criminals I’m on about are in Israel committing ethnic cleansing and war crimes. Our government seems capable of denouncing the vandalism of military equipment, but not calling out Israel’s disgusting war crimes what they are.

It’s almost like geopolitics isn’t just sticking people on blast for likes. You said similar about Starmers relationship with Trump but it’s probably ended up saving Ukrainian lives.

You are treating Israeli policy as if it’s decided in Whitehall, it’s quite mad.

And again by making this your sole purity test you are making a UK government far more supportive of Israel more likely. So just terribly strategy as well.

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 5:32 PM

shmmeee said:
It’s almost like geopolitics isn’t just sticking people on blast for likes. You said similar about Starmers relationship with Trump but it’s probably ended up saving Ukrainian lives.

You are treating Israeli policy as if it’s decided in Whitehall, it’s quite mad.

That is one hell of a leap on Ukraine. Trump has more likely just felt snubbed/played by Putin.

I don’t expect us to change Israel’s mind, they’re hell bent on ethnic cleansing. I just expect us to call it what it is. That’s the bare minimum in terms of human decency.

shmmeee · Monday at 5:36 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
That is one hell of a leap on Ukraine. Trump has more likely just felt snubbed/played by Putin.

I don’t expect us to change Israel’s mind, they’re hell bent on ethnic cleansing. I just expect us to call it what it is. That’s the bare minimum in terms of human decency.

It’s really not. Starmer and the European leaders have played him very well. You don’t see that because it doesn’t play into your post Corbyn sulk, but it’s true.

So you admit even if it ended up making things worse you just want the UK government to act like an activist on twitter? For what end? The decision Starmer has clearly taken is he can best use his influence trying things like getting aid in than making pointless virtue signals to a bunch of people who decided six years ago they’d never vote for him anyway.

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 5:38 PM

shmmeee said:
It’s really not. Starmer and the European leaders have played him very well. You don’t see that because it doesn’t play into your post Corbyn sulk, but it’s true.

So you admit even if it ended up making things worse you just want the UK government to act like an activist on twitter? For what end? The decision Starmer has clearly taken is he can best use his influence trying things like getting aid in than making pointless virtue signals to a bunch of people who decided six years ago they’d never vote for him anyway.

‘Played him’. Well, Netanyahu and Putin have.

You’re copying Grendel’s arguments, I get why he’s making them, but it should make you think.

Grendel · Monday at 5:40 PM

skybluetony176 said:
That wasn’t the question. The question was is she a terrorist?

no

Grendel · Monday at 5:46 PM

Ccfcisparks said:
I find it really really odd to be honest. Jumping through hoops not to say it’s appalling whats happening when most people at a human level can see that the killing of women and children is bad regardless of grown up politics.

We side with China as we need them. We deal with the brutal Saudi regime as we need them. We view Israel as strategically vital so we deal with them.

The Yalta agreement was a free pass for Stalin to brutalise and conquer Eastern Europe. I mean for Fucks Sake what would you have done - opposed it?

The world’s a bad place full of bad people. You create alliances with those that suit and that’s it. I think we over blow Israel’s importance but not Saudi and not China.

Ccfcisparks · Monday at 5:48 PM

Grendel said:
We side with China as we need them. We deal with the brutal Saudi regime as we need them. We view Israel as strategically vital so we deal with them.

The Yalta agreement was a free pass for Stalin to brutalise and conquer Eastern Europe. I mean for Fucks Sake what would you have done - opposed it?

The world’s a bad place full of bad people. You create alliances with those that suit and that’s it. I think we over blow Israel’s importance but not Saudi and not China.

Do you agree what Israel is doing to Palestine is bad?

Grendel · Monday at 5:48 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
He has circled the drain on it by saying that ‘atrocities happen all the time’. This is the problem when your whole online persona is to be an edgelording contrarian, you have to adopt overtly farcical positions to keep up the act.

You keep blathering on about an edge lord contrarian but you are literally a 5 year old child with zero awareness of how the world works. Clueless

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 5:49 PM

Grendel said:
We side with China as we need them. We deal with the brutal Saudi regime as we need them. We view Israel as strategically vital so we deal with them.

The Yalta agreement was a free pass for Stalin to brutalise and conquer Eastern Europe. I mean for Fucks Sake what would you have done - opposed it?

The world’s a bad place full of bad people. You create alliances with those that suit and that’s it. I think we over blow Israel’s importance but not Saudi and not China.

Winston Churchill proposed invading Soviet occupied Poland immediately after WW2

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 5:49 PM

Grendel said:
You keep blathering on about an edge lord contrarian but you are literally a 5 year old child with zero awareness of how the world works. Clueless

Touched a nerve there G

Grendel · Monday at 5:50 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Winston Churchill proposed invading Soviet occupied Poland immediately after WW2

Indeed and I’m sure you’d be protesting like a child -people and countries are collateral damage - get over yourself

Grendel · Monday at 5:52 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Touched a nerve there G

Not at all. I think the most bizarre thing you admitted to was attending an anti monarch protest and moaning you were put out the way. It’s just beyond pathetic why you’d want to do that

skybluetony176 · Monday at 5:53 PM

Grendel said:
no

Thought not. Even though she clearly meets the criteria that you set out in your original post.

Grendel · Monday at 5:55 PM

skybluetony176 said:
Thought not. Even though she clearly meets the criteria that you set out in your original post.

Well she doesn’t or she would have been prosecuted as such

Ccfcisparks · Monday at 5:56 PM

Grendel said:
Well she doesn’t or she would have been prosecuted as such

Why did you ignore my question

Do you agree what Israel is doing to Palestine is bad?

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 6:00 PM

Grendel said:
Not at all. I think the most bizarre thing you admitted to was attending an anti monarch protest and moaning you were put out the way. It’s just beyond pathetic why you’d want to do that

‘Admitted to’

skybluetony176 · Monday at 6:04 PM

Grendel said:
Well she doesn’t or she would have been prosecuted as such

“Someone who is part of a political cause which aims to cause violence or destruction against the established government”

Political cause. Tick, anti immigration.

Aimed to cause violence and destruction. Tick, doesn’t need an explanation.

Established government, tick. Against government policy of housing asylum seekers in hotels and also against de facto government property as the government is renting said hotel.

She ticks all YOUR boxes. Presumably you’re angry that the government hasn’t declared her or the other people involved terrorist. Unless of course you’re a complete hypocrite and it depends on the political cause. My money is on the latter.

SkyBlueDom26 · Monday at 6:09 PM

skybluetony176 said:
“Someone who is part of a political cause which aims to cause violence or destruction against the established government”

Political cause. Tick, anti immigration.

Aimed to cause violence and destruction. Tick, doesn’t need an explanation.

Established government, tick. Against government policy of housing asylum seekers in hotels and also against de facto government property as the government is renting said hotel.

She ticks all YOUR boxes. Presumably you’re angry that the government hasn’t declared her or the other people involved terrorist. Unless of course you’re a complete hypocrite and it depends on the political cause. My money is on the latter.

What do you think of the new season UKIP Tony? Reckon we’ll do well this season, reckon KKH will be a good signing?

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 6:09 PM

Grendel said:
Well she doesn’t or she would have been prosecuted as such

The government is always right.

Grendel · Monday at 6:12 PM

skybluetony176 said:
“Someone who is part of a political cause which aims to cause violence or destruction against the established government”

Political cause. Tick, anti immigration.

Aimed to cause violence and destruction. Tick, doesn’t need an explanation.

Established government, tick. Against government policy of housing asylum seekers in hotels and also against de facto government property as the government is renting said hotel.

She ticks all YOUR boxes. Presumably you’re angry that the government hasn’t declared her or the other people involved terrorist. Unless of course you’re a complete hypocrite and it depends on the political cause. My money is on the latter.

I don’t think the government are the CPS and I don’t see how she has committed an act of terrorism myself

skybluetony176 · Monday at 6:13 PM

SkyBlueDom26 said:
What do you think of the new season UKIP Tony? Reckon we’ll do well this season, reckon KKH will be a good signing?

SkyBlueDumb to the rescue. Grendulls very own useful idiot.

skybluetony176 · Monday at 6:13 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The government is always right.

Always. Obviously.

Grendel · Monday at 6:14 PM

I mean if we are getting into semantics then surely the destruction of property by the BLM mob was terrorism

fernandopartridge · Monday at 6:16 PM

Ccfcisparks said:
Nope as I'm not informed on them and not aware of them.

I'm sure when I've had a read up I'll express my outrage.

Will you express any outrage of what Israel are doing to Palastine considering you are aware of it?

I can't remember the prominent members of parliament or the government coming out and expressing solidarity with China or Russia or anybody else performing an atrocity in plain sight.

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