Do you want to discuss boring politics? (67 Viewers)

[tisza]

Again, I am not. To my knowledge PA have not physically harmed a single person, but have been deemed terrorists for spray painting a plane. Israel has killed nearly 60,000 people, destroyed most buildings in the Gaza Strip, blockaded food and medical supplies and declared that it wishes to put all Gazans into a concentration camp.

Our government struggles to call that a criminal act. Why?

they didn't just spray paint they caused over 7 million pounds worth of damage to the engines etc with crowbars. The fact they were military aircraft elevates it to a potential act of terrorism.

 

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[Grendel]

they didn't just spray paint they caused over 7 million pounds worth of damage to the engines etc with crowbars. The fact they were military aircraft elevates it to a potential act of terrorism.

It’s incredible people don’t think it is

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s incredible people don’t think it is

Is it what comes to mind when you think of a terrorist?

 

[Grendel]

Is it what comes to mind when you think of a terrorist?

Someone who is part of a political cause which aims to cause violence or destruction of property against the established government

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Someone who is part of a political cause which aims to cause violence or destruction of property against the established government

Interesting

 

[SBT]

Someone who is part of a political cause which aims to cause violence or destruction of property against the established government

Worth a bookmark, this one

 

[SBT]

It’s irrelevant as no western government does. Why you struggle with this I have no idea.

Bizarre that you continue to cling to this line as if it prevents you from holding any other opinion. “That’s just the way that Starmer and Biden et al see it, nothing to be done!”

 

[tisza]

Worth a bookmark, this one

Surely it's exactly what you posted earlier re: Terrorism Act 2000

 

[skybluetony176]

Someone who is part of a political cause which aims to cause violence or destruction of property against the established government

So the councillors wife who the right are currently crying over because she got a jail sentence for inciting violence for a political cause?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Bizarre that you continue to cling to this line as if it prevents you from holding any other opinion. “That’s just the way that Starmer and Biden et al see it, nothing to be done!”

The International Criminal Court, to which many Western governments are signed up to, has an arrest warrant out for Netanyahu. Apparently that doesn’t count?

 

[shmmeee]

Again, I am not. To my knowledge PA have not physically harmed a single person, but have been deemed terrorists for spray painting a plane. Israel has killed nearly 60,000 people, destroyed most buildings in the Gaza Strip, blockaded food and medical supplies and declared that it wishes to put all Gazans into a concentration camp.

Our government struggles to call that a criminal act. Why?

They are currently being charged with assaulting two members of the public and the police firstly. We’ll see if that holds up, but it’s a lie to say all they’ve done is spray paint a plane. They’ve been attacking Elbit sites for years causing millions of pounds of damage and setting off smoke bombs and smashing windows when staff were inside. As well as ram raiding the building with a van:

Five more arrested over alleged ram raid at Elbit's Bristol site - BBC News

Police say the latest five to be arrested over the incident were detained in raids across England.

www.bbc.co.uk

The police have also said they were planning an escalation of attacks. Escalating beyond assault, smashing windows, smoke bombs and ram raids

Edit: all against a company they don’t have proof of links to the IDF, who seemingly supply mostly the British army but they’re Israeli owned so fair game.

 

[fernandopartridge]

They are currently being charged with assaulting two members of the public and the police firstly. We’ll see if that holds up, but it’s a lie to say all they’ve done is spray paint a plane. They’ve been attacking Elbit sites for years causing millions of pounds of damage and setting off smoke bombs and smashing windows when staff were inside. As well as ram raiding the building with a van:

Five more arrested over alleged ram raid at Elbit's Bristol site - BBC News

Police say the latest five to be arrested over the incident were detained in raids across England.

www.bbc.co.uk

The police have also said they were planning an escalation of attacks. Escalating beyond assault, smashing windows, smoke bombs and ram raids

Edit: all against a company they don’t have proof of links to the IDF, who seemingly supply mostly the British army but they’re Israeli owned so fair game.

Elbit is a supplier to the Israeli government, it's literally all over their website you clown

https://www.elbitsystems.com/news/israel-mod-procures-advanced-communication-systems-elbit-systems-approximately-130m

 

[fernandopartridge]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/israel-signs-deals-with-defence-firm-elbit-make-bombs-domestically-2025-01-07/

 

[shmmeee]

Elbit is a supplier to the Israeli government, it's literally all over their website you clown

https://www.elbitsystems.com/news/israel-mod-procures-advanced-communication-systems-elbit-systems-approximately-130m

But that site supplies the UK government. At least according to Elbit. It was developed after they signed up to make UAVs for us.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They are currently being charged with assaulting two members of the public and the police firstly. We’ll see if that holds up, but it’s a lie to say all they’ve done is spray paint a plane. They’ve been attacking Elbit sites for years causing millions of pounds of damage and setting off smoke bombs and smashing windows when staff were inside. As well as ram raiding the building with a van:

Five more arrested over alleged ram raid at Elbit's Bristol site - BBC News

Police say the latest five to be arrested over the incident were detained in raids across England.

www.bbc.co.uk

The police have also said they were planning an escalation of attacks. Escalating beyond assault, smashing windows, smoke bombs and ram raids

Edit: all against a company they don’t have proof of links to the IDF, who seemingly supply mostly the British army but they’re Israeli owned so fair game.

To be clear, this really is a ‘two tier’ application of justice.

 

[shmmeee]

To be clear, this really is a ‘two tier’ application of justice.

Jesus you’re even doing the memes now. Not even hiding it.

Do you at least accept this group weren’t some peaceful protesters who “just spray painted a plane”?

I think JSO and the ULEZ gimps probably come the closest for any argument other direct action groups should be proscribed too, but I’m not aware of either either assaulting police, or causing that level of damage in their actions. XR mostly just sat on roads so would never cross the line.

Who do you have in mind?

 

[Grendel]

So the councillors wife who the right are currently crying over because she got a jail sentence for inciting violence for a political cause?

I do not think I have disputed she had to go to prison

 

[Grendel]

Bizarre that you continue to cling to this line as if it prevents you from holding any other opinion. “That’s just the way that Starmer and Biden et al see it, nothing to be done!”

I am not "clinging" to anything. I am saying that this is the view of the political establishment generally across the West and actually in this country I don't think any mainstream party thinks otherwise. You can protest all you like and do so legitimately but not if you out yourself as supporting a terrorist group.

 

[SBT]

Farage could scarcely be thirsting for race riots this summer any more if he looked into the camera and did his best Michael Buffer impression

 

[SBT]

I am not "clinging" to anything. I am saying that this is the view of the political establishment generally across the West and actually in this country I don't think any mainstream party thinks otherwise. You can protest all you like and do so legitimately but not if you out yourself as supporting a terrorist group.

The political establishment holds all kinds of repellent views, many of which you seem quite comfortable with questioning but on this particular topic you’re totally deferential.

Worth noting of course that the police are already harassing those who are “legitimately” protesting this cause under the pretence of banal pro-Palestinian slogans actually being terror chants, but I suppose it’s fine, because Starmer and his friends at the G7 told you it was.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Jesus you’re even doing the memes now. Not even hiding it.

Do you at least accept this group weren’t some peaceful protesters who “just spray painted a plane”?

I think JSO and the ULEZ gimps probably come the closest for any argument other direct action groups should be proscribed too, but I’m not aware of either either assaulting police, or causing that level of damage in their actions. XR mostly just sat on roads so would never cross the line.

Who do you have in mind?

Said from the start, they broke the law, they were rightfully arrested and will rightfully have prison time.

The criminals I’m on about are in Israel committing ethnic cleansing and war crimes. Our government seems capable of denouncing the vandalism of military equipment, but not calling out Israel’s disgusting war crimes what they are.

 

[Ian1779]

Oh I’m certain Farage will
Hoodwink the nation once again and lead us into ever more disaster but people will think it’s better because they see less brown people

I mean anytime Starmer wants to step up and offer some hope then it may well deal with Farage.
At the moment he has nothing to offer but misery (and shareholder value of course) so it’s easy for Farage to just say random shit and people will at least consider it because the status quo continues to be shit.

 

[Grendel]

Said from the start, they broke the law, they were rightfully arrested and will rightfully have prison time.

The criminals I’m on about are in Israel committing ethnic cleansing and war crimes. Our government seems capable of denouncing the vandalism of military equipment, but not calling out Israel’s disgusting war crimes what they are.

The government has a job to do and I hate to break it to you but collateral damage is always going to be deemed acceptable if it retains a stability in an unstable environment.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The government has a job to do and I hate to break it to you but collateral damage is always going to be deemed acceptable if it retains a stability in an unstable environment.

I’m sure Sir Keir is grateful for your support on this matter, even if you think he’s a moron on nearly every other one.

 

[Grendel]

I’m sure Sir Keir is grateful for your support on this matter, even if you think he’s a moron on nearly every other one.

There have been and continue to be genocide and atrocities everywhere. China and the brutal treatment of its Muslim community. Should we treat them as genocidal maniacs or do we just think they are a bit too important so best say nothing?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

There have been and continue to be genocide and atrocities everywhere. China and the brutal treatment of its Muslim community. Should we treat them as genocidal maniacs or do we just think they are a bit too important so best say nothing?

They are genocidal maniacs, as are Israel, as are Russia

 

[chiefdave]

Worth noting of course that the police are already harassing those who are “legitimately” protesting this cause under the pretence of banal pro-Palestinian slogans actually being terror chants, but I suppose it’s fine, because Starmer and his friends at the G7 told you it was.

The proscription of Palestine Action is actually back in court today. Essentially arguing if the government can force any appeal to be to the proscribed organisations appeals board, which I'm sure would be a completely unbiased process, rather than through the actual courts.

On the opening day of arguments the judge has already said the police are not applying the law correctly.

Police officers are getting the law wrong when shutting down legal pro-Palestine protests using terrorism laws, a High Court judge has said ... the judge said police officers enforcing the ban in the last few weeks have misused or misunderstood the law when shutting down protests that have no link to Palestine Action.

 

[Grendel]

They are genocidal maniacs, as are Israel, as are Russia

But we seem less outraged and we seem to suck up to them as they are rather important

 

[Ccfcisparks]

But we seem less outraged and we seem to suck up to them as they are rather important

I'm not sure. We are sucking up to Israel a fair bit recently.

 

[Grendel]

I'm not sure. We are sucking up to Israel a fair bit recently.

I don't think so. - how many on here have objected to this with as much passion as Palestine?

Who are the Uyghurs and why is China being accused of genocide?

China has been accused by the US of genocide and crimes against humanity against the Muslim minority group.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I don't think so. - how many on here have objected to this with as much passion as Palestine?

Who are the Uyghurs and why is China being accused of genocide?

China has been accused by the US of genocide and crimes against humanity against the Muslim minority group.

www.bbc.co.uk

I mean as a government. Not individuals.

 

[tisza]

I don't think so. - how many on here have objected to this with as much passion as Palestine?

Who are the Uyghurs and why is China being accused of genocide?

China has been accused by the US of genocide and crimes against humanity against the Muslim minority group.

www.bbc.co.uk

Or the Syrian Civil war, South Sudan, DRC and so on.

 

[Grendel]

I mean as a government. Not individuals.

I find it odd that its this that gets individuals far more outraged than what China has done. One poster denied this was genocide at all and was just social repatriation. Imagine if that was said about this.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I find it odd that its this that gets individuals far more outraged than what China has done. One poster denied this was genocide at all and was just social repatriation. Imagine if that was said about this.

I just think people find your lack of outrage about it, and dumbing down of it as adult politics. If you condemned it and said it was an atrocity I think people would be more willing to listen to your points. The fact you seem to be avoiding doing so gets peoples backs up.

 

[Grendel]

I just think people find your lack of outrage about it, and dumbing down of it as adult politics. If you condemned it and said it was an atrocity I think people would be more willing to listen to your points. The fact you seem to be avoiding doing so gets peoples backs up.

No one expressed any outrage at the China death camps and where women were forced to be sterilised though? Did you?