None of mine were “planned” she got pregnant and we decided to keep them. That’s pretty normal throughout history. That’s my entire point, the change started with the pill enabling people to “plan” and once they start overthinking it they convince themselves that they, an average earner in one of the richest economies in history, are too poor to have kids, or their partner isn’t perfect, or they need to work on their career right now.
Like quitting smoking it’s rare to find the perfect time to have kids. You just have them and life carries on.
Yeah it's pretty sensible to have more control over when you bring a life into the world.
Which again is why it's a bad idea just want to rely on people who will fire as many kids as they can out with no thought about who will pay to bring them up.
So sensible it’s causing huge economic and social problems worldwide.
Who will pay for you when you’ve decided it’s “sensible” for the birth rate to drop to where it is?
If you’ve not had at least two kids, you’re sponging off everyone else in retirement. Ideally more than two.
I'll pay for me.
I doubt I'll retire until I'm about 70 anyway but I'm not sure how I'll be sponging anything.
You planning to reveal your secret to perfect health to the scientific community or keeping it to yourself?
There is one solution for economies hit by low birth rates who don’t want to raise taxes or magically find a way to encourage more children.
But I don’t think this thread will like it.
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Like I said, you have an issue with people who have worked all their life but strangely want to draft people in to fire out kids with no intention of paying for them themselves.
How do you think this works for those kids and their kids when they realise they can just let the tax payer pay for everything?
Probably be even harder to get an appointment by then so will probably end up having to go private anyway.
Is it sponging for somebody who has worked for 50 plus years to use the nhs now?
Not really backwards.I think what the evidence shows: that generally those kids grow up and pay taxes that pay for mine and your retirement and keep our taxes lower when working.
You’re completely ass backwards on the economics of this. Because you’re trying to make what you see as a moral issue have some economic justification.
I think he’s saying first and foremost that those already here should just have kids much younger and more often.Not really backwards.
Why aren't we all trying to move to the countries with high birth rates in Africa? Is the answer really to draft people in from these countries to just fire loads of kids out here without a care in the world because we will just pay for it all?
Not really backwards.
Why aren't we all trying to move to the countries with high birth rates in Africa? Is the answer really to draft people in from these countries to just fire loads of kids out here without a care in the world because we will just pay for it all?
I think he’s saying first and foremost that those already here should just have kids much younger and more often.
Nah, what we should do is look at countries like Somalia and just replicate it here.If you’ve got a better one apply to 1 Nobel Prize Way, Sweden for your prize.
I think he’s saying first and foremost that those already here should just have kids much younger and more often.
Nah, what we should do is look at countries like Somalia and just replicate it here.
It would be interesting to see if theres any stats on people from countries with high birth rates and how they're getting on in the UK. How many are working, how many live in funded houses etc.
Im more likely to adopt. There are shit loads of kids in care at the moment and its costing a bomb.Not sure age matter much other than the fact that you’re more likely to become infertile but yeah. We need a way to sort out the inverted population pyramid and that’s either make the bottom bigger with births, make the middle bigger with immigration or get everyone in the middle paying a whole lot more than they’re used to to make up for the loss.
I haven't said anything about having a degree or not.Recent immigrants tend to start at similar family sizes and within a generation or two are roughly at the UK average. That’s assimilation for you.
I think you wildly overestimate how many people are living off the state Nick I’ll be honest. It’s not every single immigrant and everyone without a degree.
Any woman who’s a teacher knows how much harder it is to progress in a school once you get pregnant, go on mat leave, return part time and then likely have to stay part time for a good while yet. That’s in part why we waited until the Mrs had got a bit up the ladder.None of mine were “planned” she got pregnant and we decided to keep them. That’s pretty normal throughout history. That’s my entire point, the change started with the pill enabling people to “plan” and once they start overthinking it they convince themselves that they, an average earner in one of the richest economies in history, are too poor to have kids, or their partner isn’t perfect, or they need to work on their career right now.
Like quitting smoking it’s rare to find the perfect time to have kids. You just have them and life carries on.
What you find is that being on the pill is easy, getting an abortion isn’t and the maths changes massively when you’re deciding to get rid compared to deciding to stop taking the pill, even thought the question “am I ready to have kids now?” Is the same.
leave your house and meet some poor people.
I haven't said anything about having a degree or not.
My point is about it you want to import people from countries with high birth rates to fire kids out and how are they getting on the UK?
Any woman who’s a teacher knows how much harder it is to progress in a school once you get pregnant, go on mat leave, return part time and then likely have to stay part time for a good while yet. That’s in part why we waited until the Mrs had got a bit up the ladder.
It’s not imagined, it’s the reality of women not being able to go back to work full time more quickly because of childcare.
Probably an exception to the rule. The only women I’ve known to make SMT have grown up or older teenage children.I dunno my ex went from class teacher to ass head as a single mum working part time.
But not to drink alcohol, smoke, buy knives or firearms, buy land or property, place bets, buy fireworks, join the police or fire service, view or buy X rated films, serve on a jury, be hypnotised, buy cigarettes, donate blood, get a tattoo or serve on a jury.Old enough to work, old enough to vote
be hypnotised...
That's a good plan until it isn't. My experience, both with myself and with my Dad, is that once you hit a certain age once one health issue comes along others aren't far behind.You planning to reveal your secret to perfect health to the scientific community or keeping it to yourself?
Infinite Somalians for everyone.
But not to drink alcohol, smoke, buy knives or firearms, buy land or property, place bets, buy fireworks, join the police or fire service, view or buy X rated films, serve on a jury, be hypnotised, buy cigarettes, donate blood, get a tattoo or serve on a jury.
I'll leave the poverty tourism for someone else and sidestep you making some pretty wild assumptions about who I am, upbringing etc. If your sample size for your position on this stuff is two people you know, that's a shaky argument.
I've not said anything there isn't evidence to support and I'm not running anyone down. You asked a question, I put fwd some possible answers. You've been a patronising pr*ck about it since and seem a bit close minded on this one.
extinction lolIm saying that just calling everyone who has kids at a sustainable rate stupid is a pretty wild generalisation.
If choice and education lead to a species that can’t sustain itself what do you do about that?
People were telling me it’s 100% about finances. I only brought up poorer people having more kids and poorer countries having more kids as a reposte to that. Being wealthier clearly makes you have fewer kids on average.
The response was that well they’re all stupid and religious. Which frankly I find pretty fucking appalling considering it’s come from the progressive side of this thread. Are you really so smart if you end up extinct?
The response was that well they’re all stupid and religious. Which frankly I find pretty fucking appalling considering it’s come from the progressive side of this thread.
Think you have completely missed the point and what's been saidSo which is it? Is having kids expensive and unaffordable or does it lead to a life of luxury paid for by the state?
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