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SBAndy

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  • Jul 11, 2025
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shmmeee said:
EMF radiation guys!

Sit in a lead lined box so the evil sun doesn’t taint your mind.
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Been doing that for years m8 because I’m not a sheep.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 11, 2025
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shmmeee said:
Good therapists are like gold dust and the NHS doesn’t exactly attract them in the first place.
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My actual assessment was done by someone from MIND who was actually pretty good but he was straight up and said if you can afford it go private because you'll be waiting forever on the NHS and then you'll see someone that has far to big a caseload to be able to work effectively.

He told me what qualifications I should look for in a therapist that would particularly suit my situation. There was not a single one in Cov even if you go private. There was one in Kenilworth and one in Warwick, both over £200 for a 50 minute session.

But this is the same story with pretty much everything. If its not something the GP can send you away with a pill for you're fucked. I first went to my GP with concerns about not being able to lose weight after a change in meds in 2010, I finally got to see a specialist at Walsgrave at the start of March. After an assessment that told me stress was the underlying cause, and that I should probably already be dead, I was referred on for specialist treatment, or rather I was put on a years long waiting list. Again the advice was if you afford it go private because you'll be waiting forever.
 
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Nick

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,343
chiefdave said:
My actual assessment was done by someone from MIND who was actually pretty good but he was straight up and said if you can afford it go private because you'll be waiting forever on the NHS and then you'll see someone that has far to big a caseload to be able to work effectively.

He told me what qualifications I should look for in a therapist that would particularly suit my situation. There was not a single one in Cov even if you go private. There was one in Kenilworth and one in Warwick, both over £200 for a 50 minute session.

But this is the same story with pretty much everything. If its not something the GP can send you away with a pill for you're fucked. I first went to my GP with concerns about not being able to lose weight after a change in meds in 2010, I finally got to see a specialist at Walsgrave at the start of March. After an assessment that told me stress was the underlying cause, and that I should probably already be dead, I was referred on for specialist treatment, or rather I was put on a years long waiting list. Again the advice was if you afford it go private because you'll be waiting forever.
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There are decent directory sites with therapists.

You can get sessions around 50-60 an hour.

With teams and zoom it opens up the options a lot more as well and means you aren't limited to location. Even if they are a bit further away you can always go to meet them for a couple of sessions then do it remotely.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 11, 2025
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Nick said:
There are decent directory sites with therapists.

You can get sessions around 50-60 an hour now as well.
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I was going to say that there are a lot specialising in various areas. I have never even seen any at £200 an hour

My daughter was given 12 sessions by the NHS and got them within 6 weeks of initial referral. She is an adult and it was very straightforward.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 11, 2025
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Nick said:
There are decent directory sites with therapists.

You can get sessions around 50-60 an hour now as well.
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Yep if you are willing to go private it can be relatively affordable.

50 ish quid for talking therapy with a therapist or 100 quid with a psychiatrist
 

mmttww

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,346
Grendel said:
I have never even seen any at £200 an hour.
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Counselling, no. Psychiatrists, definitely that much.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 11, 2025
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mmttww said:
Counselling, no. Psychiatrists, definitely that much.
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They can certainly go up to £200, but I've seen plenty around £100. It depends if you are willing to do it online or in person though.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,348
mmttww said:
Counselling, no. Psychiatrists, definitely that much.
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They typically charge £100 - £150
 
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mmttww

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,349
Ccfcisparks said:
online or in person though.
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ah, Yeah. I'm on about in person.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,350
mmttww said:
ah, Yeah. I'm on about in person.
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Depends on your location. Further out in the sticks i can imagine they could be more expensive.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,351
mmttww said:
Counselling, no. Psychiatrists, definitely that much.
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As I said I was given very specific requirements for someone who would match my needs. Not a run of the mill therapist, a specialist psychiatrist, hence my comment that there's not a single person practicing in Cov that meets the requirements.
 

Nick

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,352
chiefdave said:
As I said I was given very specific requirements for someone who would match my needs. Not a run of the mill therapist, a specialist psychiatrist, hence my comment that there's not a single person practicing in Cov that meets the requirements.
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Have a look for online sessions, doesn't even have to be in this country.

I looked at all the sites like better help and they are a rip off.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,353
Ccfcisparks said:
Yep if you are willing to go private it can be relatively affordable.

50 ish quid for talking therapy with a therapist or 100 quid with a psychiatrist
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Private therapy was the best money I ever spent. Maybe second to a cleaner.
 
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Nick

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,354
shmmeee said:
Private therapy was the best money I ever spent. Maybe second to a cleaner.
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It's well worth sacrificing other stuff if it's needed
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,355
shmmeee said:
Private therapy was the best money I ever spent. Maybe second to a cleaner.
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Agreed. Made a huge difference. Extremely fortunate to be able to get it
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,356
Nick said:
Spot checking. Social media checks (a random one) Employ more people to check for fraud. Better people doing assessments. Check to see what the people are doing to help themselves. Check appointments are being attended etc.

I mean who's signing off giving pip / a notability car to somebody with tennis elbow?

It would save money by cutting down on fraud cases.
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How many people are going to be needed to track the level of fraud that you think there is? What happens to those people when fraud levels are nearing zero
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,357
fernandopartridge said:
How many people are going to be needed to track the level of fraud that you think there is? What happens to those people when fraud levels are nearing zero
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Officially PIP fraud levels are essentially zero. The fact that a lot of people know someone committing fraud suggests those stats aren’t particularly reliable though.

We could repurpose them to check on tax dodging.
 

Nick

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,358
fernandopartridge said:
How many people are going to be needed to track the level of fraud that you think there is? What happens to those people when fraud levels are nearing zero
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We should get rid of the police in case they actually get crime rates down and then aren't needed.
 

Nick

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,359
shmmeee said:
Officially PIP fraud levels are essentially zero. The fact that a lot of people know someone committing fraud suggests those stats aren’t particularly reliable though.

We could repurpose them to check on tax dodging.
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They should hang about the BMW garages watching who's trying to get a car.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,360
shmmeee said:
This has got a lot more detail:

What’s in the one-in-one-out migrant deal between the UK and France?

Macron and Starmer have agreed a deal aimed at preventing migrants crossing the English Channel in small boats.
www.aljazeera.com

Limited to two and a half thousand ish a year so about ten percent of crossings apparently. And only those who can prove a family connection.
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It will probably turn out to be a flawed and generally ineffective scheme.

Keir Starmer's migrant deal with France branded a failure already

Deal with Macron to end small boat crossings won't work, according to the officials charged with implementing it
www.express.co.uk
 
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SIR ERNIE

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,361
Captain Dart said:
It will probably turn out to be a flawed and generally ineffective scheme.

Keir Starmer's migrant deal with France branded a failure already

Deal with Macron to end small boat crossings won't work, according to the officials charged with implementing it
www.express.co.uk
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unlikely it'll ever happen and even if it does it'll be ineffective. But they both know that, they're on the same team.
Just more piss-take gaslighting.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,362
Captain Dart said:
It will probably turn out to be a flawed and generally ineffective scheme.

Keir Starmer's migrant deal with France branded a failure already

Deal with Macron to end small boat crossings won't work, according to the officials charged with implementing it
www.express.co.uk
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I mean that’s just opposition politicians saying opposition politician things. We’ll see. Not much worked with the last lot who were obsessed either.
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,363
shmmeee said:
Polticians don’t talk about lowering immigration “why is no one talking about this!!!1!1!1!”

Polticians do talk about lowering immigration “why are they talking about this they must be trying to gaslight us!?!2!2!11!1!!”

The day you people go back to muttering in the corner of a pub and not being taken seriously as a voting block the better. Paranoid conspiracy theorists to a man.
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Social media!
Don't think of taxing it t,pay for the privelige of www Web then.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,364
wingy said:
Social media!
Don't think of taxing it t,pay for the privelige of www Web then.
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Have deleted as it was a bit OTT but so sick of everything being “it’s a conspiracy” and everyone who disagrees being actually an evil cabal. FFS the world isn’t that interesting. Go and watch a movie.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,365
shmmeee said:
To take it as a very rough mental health marker that can’t be cheated suïcide stats don’t really support the idea of a mental health crisis tbh

View attachment 44347

A definite flattening and slight rise post 200& but still only at sort of turn of the century levels.
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Nick

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,366
Captain Dart said:
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Not sure that says much, easier to get than sweets
 

Captain Dart

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  • Jul 11, 2025
  • #53,367
Nick said:
Not sure that says much, easier to get than sweets
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They put my Mum (and many others around the same time) on completely unncessary and addictive Vallium for years, that's going back many decades, eventually she just stopped taking them.

It's my contention that a pill for every ill simply leads to overmedication and cumalative adverse effects. There are better ways to tackle health problems, unfortunately society is stuck in that rut, the way out involves hard work and most people are to darned lazy to do the work. Doctors should be working on reducing a patient's prescriptions not just writing more & more.

Ok rant over.
 

Nick

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  • Jul 11, 2025
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Captain Dart said:
They put my Mum (and many others around the same time) on completely unncessary and addictive Vallium for years, that's going back many decades, eventually she just stopped taking them.

It's my contention that a pill for every ill simply leads to overmedication and cumalative adverse effects. There are better ways to tackle health problems, unfortunately society is stuck in that rut, the way out involves hard work and most people are to darned lazy to do the work. Doctors should be working on reducing a patient's prescriptions not just writing more & more.

Ok rant over.
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I got offered them once within an appointment that was 3 minutes max. (Doctors, the other ones don't last that long)
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 11, 2025
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Captain Dart said:
They put my Mum (and many others around the same time) on completely unncessary and addictive Vallium for years, that's going back many decades, eventually she just stopped taking them.

It's my contention that a pill for every ill simply leads to overmedication and cumalative adverse effects. There are better ways to tackle health problems, unfortunately society is stuck in that rut, the way out involves hard work and most people are to darned lazy to do the work. Doctors should be working on reducing a patient's prescriptions not just writing more & more.

Ok rant over.
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Fantastic generalisation there!
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 11, 2025
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Captain Dart said:
They put my Mum (and many others around the same time) on completely unncessary and addictive Vallium for years, that's going back many decades, eventually she just stopped taking them.

It's my contention that a pill for every ill simply leads to overmedication and cumalative adverse effects. There are better ways to tackle health problems, unfortunately society is stuck in that rut, the way out involves hard work and most people are to darned lazy to do the work. Doctors should be working on reducing a patient's prescriptions not just writing more & more.

Ok rant over.
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Welcome to the privatised US healthcare system that seems to be the alternative to the NHS. Doctors get paid by companies to prescribe drugs. That is a fucked up system.

And while we as a society do have many unhealthy habits, again a lot of that is because companies that sell things that aren't good for us are given far more free reign than they should because they pay lobbyists and politicians.

Another issue is that sometimes now because it's so hard to get an appointment/treatment what could be solved as a minor issue is instead left to get worse until it becomes a big issue. Loads of people that are far less active than they could be because they didn't receive treatment at an early stage and now it's a huge problem to fix.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 12, 2025
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Welcome to the privatised US healthcare system that seems to be the alternative to the NHS. Doctors get paid by companies to prescribe drugs. That is a fucked up system.

And while we as a society do have many unhealthy habits, again a lot of that is because companies that sell things that aren't good for us are given far more free reign than they should because they pay lobbyists and politicians.

Another issue is that sometimes now because it's so hard to get an appointment/treatment what could be solved as a minor issue is instead left to get worse until it becomes a big issue. Loads of people that are far less active than they could be because they didn't receive treatment at an early stage and now it's a huge problem to fix.
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Yep, nothing to do with the poor doctors prescribing, or the unhealthy, lazy individual, or the BMA that negotiated the mess of the GP contracts under Blair. Where’s the responsibility or accountability ???

I read this recently

‘90 per cent of surgeries have now abolished the old “list” system, in which each GP was dedicated to their own list of patients. The BMA thought this change was a great triumph of negotiation but it has turned out to be a disastrous mistake.

A study of more than four million patients in Norway found that people who see the same GP regularly are 28 per cent less likely to go to hospital and 25 per cent less likely to die. If a doctor knows you and your family, they are far less likely to get a diagnosis wrong. The best way to keep us healthy and out of hospital is if someone has responsibility to make that happen. But if patients become like anonymous call centre customers, the reverse is true’

ps i do also find the pushing of prescriptions drugs for everything pretty disgraceful. The final call is the doctors though
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 12, 2025
  • #53,372
Once again I feel I have to remind people which demographic is the main driver of increased healthcare costs as well as benefits costs and it’s not working age people.

The fundamental issue all of this is dancing around is that we are getting older and old people cost a lot more to look after. Salami slicing benefits for working people or mental health support for teens is just avoiding the elephant in the room: taxes need to go up to pay for the older society we now have. This isn’t anyone’s fault, birth rates drop as countries develop and people get richer. But it is our problem.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 12, 2025
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shmmeee said:
Once again I feel I have to remind people which demographic is the main driver of increased healthcare costs as well as benefits costs and it’s not working age people.

The fundamental issue all of this is dancing around is that we are getting older and old people cost a lot more to look after. Salami slicing benefits for working people or mental health support for teens is just avoiding the elephant in the room: taxes need to go up to pay for the older society we now have. This isn’t anyone’s fault, birth rates drop as countries develop and people get richer. But it is our problem.
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Agree, which is why putting all extra cash into the nhs, when a relatively small proportion of it could make a far bigger difference if it went into social care, seems crazy to me.* Also why I think what the BMA/resident doctors (likely followed by consultants etc) are doing is totally unacceptable - theyll be happy to use up the extra cash with no material improvement to the nhs or patients


*it would also help reduce some of the bed blocking issue which in turn helps nhs capacity.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 12, 2025
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CCFCSteve said:
Yep, nothing to do with the poor doctors prescribing, or the unhealthy, lazy individual, or the BMA that negotiated the mess of the GP contracts under Blair. Where’s the responsibility or accountability ???

I read this recently

‘90 per cent of surgeries have now abolished the old “list” system, in which each GP was dedicated to their own list of patients. The BMA thought this change was a great triumph of negotiation but it has turned out to be a disastrous mistake.

A study of more than four million patients in Norway found that people who see the same GP regularly are 28 per cent less likely to go to hospital and 25 per cent less likely to die. If a doctor knows you and your family, they are far less likely to get a diagnosis wrong. The best way to keep us healthy and out of hospital is if someone has responsibility to make that happen. But if patients become like anonymous call centre customers, the reverse is true’

ps i do also find the pushing of prescriptions drugs for everything pretty disgraceful. The final call is the doctors though
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25% less likely to die is a claim ……
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 12, 2025
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My gp is excellent praise the lord
 
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