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To use a more local example, the CEO of Birmingham International got a 50% pay increase, yet I don't recall much comment on 'inflation busting pay increases'
To use a more local example, the CEO of Birmingham International got a 50% pay increase, yet I don't recall much comment on 'inflation busting pay increases'Seems to be the mantra for executives and shareholders.
As you said "no matter what they earn, it will never be enough."
I agreeI agree. But when one doesn't even get half of the others it shows something is wrong.
Post it on here and you will get the same response from me.To use a more local example, the CEO of Birmingham International got a 50% pay increase, yet I don't recall much comment on 'inflation busting pay increases'
It wasn’t even the biggest increase, Heathrow’s got 85%. The point is, the rhetoric on this is completely different to when teachers and nurses wanted 5-10% after nearly 15 years of frozen pay.Post it on here and you will get the same response from me.
If people are self made entrepreneurs and do well then fair play.
If it's a CEO because their dad knows somebody, get to fuck.
But on the other hand paying on average over 1k a week will bring automation along even quicker.If I were being cynical, I'd say that privately the union can see what's on the horizon and is trying to get its members as much as it can before the inevitable. Though to reiterate, they should be well paid and they should have working conditions that don't ultimately put passengers at risk from incompetent or incapacitated drivers.
To be fair I don't think he is saying they don't.But on the other hand paying on average over 1k a week will bring automation along even quicker.
The lower paid deserve more money. It's more about money to the well paid than what people deserve. I have a niece who enjoyed looking after people in need. But she left the career she enjoyed which included wiping people's arses, to work at a well known coffee shop as it paid more money. Somethings not quite right here.
I wouldn’t say the CEO of Birmingham Airport really falls into this category, it’s not like he started out with an airstrip and a dream.Post it on here and you will get the same response from me.
If people are self made entrepreneurs and do well then fair play.
His wife was Boris Johnson's office manager.
No further comment.
Then guess why we end up struggling to get British people to do the work.To be fair I don't think he is saying they don't.
The thing with so many of the private care companies, the type where they send carers out. They will be charging a small fortune per visit while paying as little as possible to the actual carers.
The care company owners make an absolute fortune.
I wouldn’t say the CEO of Birmingham Airport really falls into this category, it’s not like he started out with an airstrip and a dream.
No, his pay increase got approved by people who serve on local councils. They justified it by saying they need the best people to do the job.He probably falls into the category that you conveniently cut out of my quote.
Well a) the joke wouldn’t have worked as well and b) I don’t think there’s any evidence to suggest he really is an airport nepo baby is there?He probably falls into the category that you conveniently cut out of my quote.
well at least they've had a successful year and didn't have to shut down for days because they'd ignored warnings to sort out the power supply to the airportHeathrow’s got 85%
The general problem seems to be we’ve accepted that certain important jobs are just badly paid and a bit shit so that’s how it should remain.well at least they've had a successful year and didn't have to shut down for days because they'd ignored warnings to sort out the power supply to the airport
I didn't day him. I didn't say anyone. What i said was how can someone who does such a difficult job that most of us wouldn't consider get paid less than someone who tries to upsell from a cup of coffee to someone who does a job most of us couldn't handle doing.To be fair I don't think he is saying they don't.
The thing with so many of the private care companies, the type where they send carers out. They will be charging a small fortune per visit while paying as little as possible to the actual carers.
The care company owners make an absolute fortune.
Then guess why we end up struggling to get British people to do the work.
Two immediate thoughts in response to this. Nah, three.For minimum wage work, you can literally get more living on benefits after tax. A minimum wage worker would be on about £22.5k after tax whereas UC with housing benefit and PIP would be £25k. Credit: Centre for Social Justice (CSJ). Faced with that decision, who wouldn’t live off the state?
One of the reasons we’re seeing the benefit bill raise rapidly for ‘foreign born’ claimants is because you can trade 5 years of low income work and get access to a reasonably generous welfare state for life.
Even Macron said the UK was like ‘El Dorado’ for illegal migrants on his state visit, despite France’s own problems.
Bloody immigrants, coming over here, spending literally years working jobs that other people don’t want to do, expecting some kind of social safety net in return.One of the reasons we’re seeing the benefit bill raise rapidly for ‘foreign born’ claimants is because you can trade 5 years of low income work and get access to a reasonably generous welfare state for life.
Now imagine an immigrant fireman asking for a 60% pay riseBloody immigrants, coming over here, spending literally years working jobs that other people don’t want to do, expecting some kind of social safety net in return.
The same as when banks do terrible, need bailing out but they still get their bonuses?No, his pay increase got approved by people who serve on local councils. They justified it by saying they need the best people to do the job.
But don’t apply that same reasoning to people lower down the organisation.
Personally it still wouldn't be enough for those who risk their lives to protect us.Now imagine an immigrant fireman asking for a 60% pay rise
No, his pay increase got approved by people who serve on local councils. They justified it by saying they need the best people to do the job.
But don’t apply that same reasoning to people lower down the organisation.
What if that immigrant’s name was Tommy Robinson?Now imagine an immigrant fireman asking for a 60% pay rise
Except that pension is part of your overall remuneration. Salaries in the public sector are worse than comparable ones in the private, but the stronger pensions for now maintain some sort of parity.It’s all well and good focusing on the pay packet at the end of the month but the public sector pensions are a lot more generous than the private sector, frankly.
So a sensible reform would be to reduce the pension contributions and put more money directly into the staff’s pocket.
I actually liked Reform’s policy of exempting frontline NHS staff from the basic rate of tax. It’s not a pay raise per se, but drastically boosts the take home pay. It’s out of the box thinking that could perhaps be applied to other frontline services.
If the answer to every question is ‘pay them more’ and ‘invest more into ‘x’’, the country will quickly bankrupt itself.
Without any meaningful NHS reforms, there will be fundamental questions over the NHS’ viability in the coming years.
I agree. Perhaps then it’s those people who are the real leeches and chancers, not doctors and nurses wanting a pay rise for a job the country kind of relies upon.The same as when banks do terrible, need bailing out but they still get their bonuses?
It's a different world. So much of that becomes who you know rather than how you perform. (In general)
1. It will increase inflation as the costs to businesses will increase costs associated with manufacturing/providing services. It’s not necessarily good for workers either if business cut staff/hours and increase automation. Just as the employer NI hike is doing.Two immediate thoughts in response to this. Nah, three.
1. So we should raise the NMW? Good, agreed.
2. The biggest chunk of the benefit bill is on the state pension. That’s where I’d aim my attention for a solution because the situation is only going to get worse the longer we avoid finding one.
3. Macron probably would say that to gloss over France’s own incompetence in trying to prevent the crossings. At least Starmer is trying to engage with him as it’s the only way that problem gets solved.
You can’t have your cake and eat it.Except that pension is part of your overall remuneration. Salaries in the public sector are worse than comparable ones in the private, but the stronger pensions for now maintain some sort of parity.
The civil service does actually allow people to either stay with the standard scheme or to switch more into what you describe.
I want to join the CS in part because I value having a very good pension while the salaries are still fine with me. I wouldn’t be complaining about that.You can’t have your cake and eat it.
Either accept the salary is going to be lower until retirement or be willing to potentially opt out of that to get paid more month-to-month.
The way you and others talk about this is as if there is an endless money tree. How does this all get paid for?
Government debt interest already costs the treasury £100+ bn every year. The total bill for public sector pension liabilities is £2.6 trillion (direct from the treasury) and growing.
The general problem seems to be we’ve accepted that certain important jobs are just badly paid and a bit shit so that’s how it should remain.
I met someone who was proud of his wife earning £250k at Facebook for ‘telling the managers how to manage’. Bullshit jobs getting obscene money is the other problem in this country.
I currently receive less than the minimum wage to do research. That seems a little obscene also but what do I know.Hot take £250k isn’t obscene money. £30k as an average is.
I currently receive less than the minimum wage to do research. That seems a little obscene also but what do I know.
Ultimately, to better myself and get a career I want for the foreseeable afterwards. Though for a country that apparently cares about science, it’s pathetic.So why do it then?
Loving the idea it’s too expensive to give Drs pay rises to keep them so well just keep hiring locums at three times the cost.
The market doesn’t give a fuck about your made up fiscal rules. You pay the going rate or you pay in temp staff.
Bloody immigrants, coming over here, spending literally years working jobs that other people don’t want to do, expecting some kind of social safety net in return.
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