Mucca Mad Boys
Well-Known Member
Which is what is happening with the non-doms after the closed the “loopholes”.
As a rule of thumb, whatever new taxes are introduced rarely raise the sums they claim.
I thought I'd explained it.
They pay enough tax, but if you keep coming and coming after them, they either fuck off, or use legitimate off shore investments to avoid it.
So the rediculous argument from the loonies of "just tax the rich more" doesn't actually stack up.
I’ve joined Reform, it’s the way forward to get this very left wing so called working class labour party out.Are we all team Zarah from now?
Nah everybody needs it and nobody at all is taking the piss.
I didn't even know you could claim for it unless you were physically disabled and needed a special car to get around.
Looking at some of the nice beemas you can get though....
Will be interesting what support they can garner. Early polls seem to have them at 10%. Initial reaction would be how they could impact marginals like Reform did for the Conservatives. Hard to see them having an impact like Reform though. But a headache for the Govt if Corbynite MPs jump ship during this Parliament.Are we all team Zarah from now?
Are we all team Zarah from now?
Suspect they won't get far, for a number of reasons.Will be interesting what support they can garner. Early polls seem to have them at 10%. Initial reaction would be how they could impact marginals like Reform did for the Conservatives. Hard to see them having an impact like Reform though. But a headache for the Govt if Corbynite MPs jump ship during this Parliament.
Still think it should be a rule that if an MP "jumps" parties/resigns whip it should trigger an immediate by-election.
Sultana is my MP and IMO option she has been a great local MP. Very visible in the local community, I don't think I've ever had my MP knock on my door outside of election campaigning before. Also very helpful when I required assistance with issues around my Dads care..
It struck me that if I quit my doctorate and went unemployed, we’d get more childcare support than by continuing. As just one example, that surely cannot be right.I know Dave laughed at my post but i try to be factual, there was 20m claimants of various welfare benefits in 2024 (presume some people claiming multiple benefits so it will be a fair few less than 20m individuals). Plus child benefit (7m families) and pensioners (13m)
There’s obviously duplication in those numbers but as I say, it is probably greater than the adults not receiving some form of benefit.
I’m someone who personally benefited from the welfare system as a kid of a single mum (who also worked full time and had no financial support from my father) so I know its importance. This isn’t an anti benefits rant, just that there is an ever increasing number of the adult population getting something or expecting to and I’m pretty sure that out of that, there will be a decent amount who are getting more than they should
Are there various benefits anymore. Isn’t it just universal credit now? State pension aside?I know Dave laughed at my post but i try to be factual, there was 20m claimants of various welfare benefits in 2024
1.8m people get attendance allowance, 1.4m get carers allowance, PIP is 3.5m. Its interesting to look at the changes, number of pension claims increasing, pension credit increasing dramatically, huge increases in bereavement support payments (basically the old widows pension), PIP increasing as DLA tails off, housing benefit decreasing, ESA decreasing, income support and JSA being phased out.Are there various benefits anymore. Isn’t it just universal credit now? State pension aside?
The state pension is the biggest chunk of the welfare bill and I don’t see an easy solution for that given that people continue to live longer while birth rate and eventually the working age population falls. And that’s already after we have increased the pension age to a level that would incite riots in France1.8m people get attendance allowance, 1.4m get carers allowance, PIP is 3.5m. Its interesting to look at the changes, number of pension claims increasing, pension credit increasing dramatically, huge increases in bereavement support payments (basically the old widows pension), PIP increasing as DLA tails off, housing benefit decreasing, ESA decreasing, income support and JSA being phased out.
there's 9.9 million people of working age in receipt of some type of benefit in the most recent stats available. but you have to caveat that with the fact that we have record numbers of people in work on benefits, yet nobody seems to be concerned that people in work need that kind of assistance due to poverty wages.
but this is the problem with trying to make a meaningful assessment. how the fuck do you know what reasons people are on universal credit for. so we just default back to immigrants and the work shy on benefits as the cause of all the countries ills.
not sure it really stacks up. most people want to be an active part of society, you can pretty easily establish that by speaking to the people affected but if you don't believe them you can look to UBI trials. strikes me we spend years ignoring experts warning that cuts, in recent times under the umbrella of austerity and balancing the books, are going to have a negative impact. then when those negatives arrive everyone stands around wondering how we ended up in this mess and goes back to blaming the same old people.
fact of the matter if you can't get issues with your physical health treated, if mental health services are decimated, if you have record levels of child poverty and malnutrition and so on and so on its a ticking time bomb for benefits. thats before you even factor in a pandemic and an aging population.
everyone always seems to know people who are living a life of luxury on benefits but when you ask how they are achieving it you get no answer. meanwhile if you look at what you would be entitled to if you lost you job or became ill its pretty much fuck all. You'd struggle to not be on the streets within a couple of months if you didn't have savings to fall back on.
Finally I feel it's much harder to get a mass of people to support on the left.
That's the thing, you get scare stories saying the DWP spend 279bn but 124bn of that is pensions! We spend another 32bn on adult social care, which sits outside the DWP payments, and over 50% of that is on pensioners.The state pension is the biggest chunk of the welfare bill and I don’t see an easy solution for that given that people continue to live longer while birth rate and eventually the working age population falls. And that’s already after we have increased the pension age to a level that would incite riots in France
All I could see it possibly doing is splitting the left vote and given how the Tories are fairing giving Reform an actual chance.Little chance of being "major" party but capable of attracting significant support amongst certain groups eg 18-24 year olds. Corbyn still more popular than Starmer with some large Trade Unions.
Greens get around 2 million votes and still perceived primarily as a single issue party.
This new group's impact could still be on how they effect Labour and Green vote share.
Would be interesting if Polanski wins and does make some sort of agreement with this new party. Seen reports that attribute a surge in green party membership to his leadership bid.Little chance of being "major" party but capable of attracting significant support amongst certain groups eg 18-24 year olds. Corbyn still more popular than Starmer with some large Trade Unions.
Greens get around 2 million votes and still perceived primarily as a single issue party.
This new group's impact could still be on how they effect Labour and Green vote share.
I thought I'd explained it.
They pay enough tax, but if you keep coming and coming after them, they either fuck off, or use legitimate off shore investments to avoid it.
So the rediculous argument from the loonies of "just tax the rich more" doesn't actually stack up.
Burnham isn't popular, not sure where you've got that idea from. Dreadful health secretary and got himself a decent number as GM mayor.I can't see her and Jezza converting a truckload of people to their cause. Left of centre people are so sh*t at selling themselves and their policies. Is there anyone other than maybe Burnham who's got any kind of gravitas across Labour, Lid Dems, Greens?
TBH with you it already happens, you just don't pay techbros to create it for you. Labour has long imagined the desires of the electorate.Synthetic voter's,hmm.
I suppose it'll catch on in the future,and isn't Streeting saying exactly this probably nicked it off him!
Burnham isn't popular, not sure where you've got that idea from. Dreadful health secretary and got himself a decent number as GM mayor.
I wouldn’t vote for them for starters. They’re making this about themselves rather than the causes they claim it to be.I can't see her and Jezza converting a truckload of people to their cause. Left of centre people are so sh*t at selling themselves and their policies. Is there anyone other than maybe Burnham who's got any kind of gravitas across Labour, Lid Dems, Greens?
She should probably have just accepted a stint on Novara media or Joe politicsSeems Zarah should of told Corbyn about them forming and co-leading a new party.
There's just not the numbers for them to win anything outside of Islington North, definitely not in Coventry South.
It just seems the weird behaviour of someone who wasn't going to be allowed the whip again and knows there's no way to win as an independent.
People said the same about Farage and Reform after Brexit went through.All I could see it possibly doing is splitting the left vote and given how the Tories are fairing giving Reform an actual chance.
However, I think it's far more likely it will die a quiet death and not even register by the next election.
There's parties to the left of Labour though.People said the same about Farage and Reform after Brexit went through.
New group provides a rallying point for those further to the Left. Starmer & Reeve could find themselves facing similar issues to the Welfare Bill where they struggle to get their programmes through.
It's just mad that she seems to have not squared it off with Corbyn either. It's an even worse "launch" than Chuka's centrist mob had.She should probably have just accepted a stint on Novara media or Joe politics
I agree, it reminds me of Umunna’s stunt. Corbyn could run as whatever he wanted and win his seat, she can’t. Even Tories I know in the constituency are planning to vote Labour as they would prefer that to Reform.It's just mad that she seems to have not squared it off with Corbyn either. It's an even worse "launch" than Chuka's centrist mob had.
Also as a resident of Cov South I fear she has now lost the cooperation of the local councillors who even though she was suspended still worked and supported her.
add the potential of this new party and yes you may get a people "holding their nose" and voting.I agree, it reminds me of Umunna’s stunt. Corbyn could run as whatever he wanted and win his seat, she can’t. Even Tories I know in the constituency are planning to vote Labour as they would prefer that to Reform.
Also as I said earlier it's strange that people who probably can win as independents such as McDonnell or Abbott haven't joined her straight away,I agree, it reminds me of Umunna’s stunt. Corbyn could run as whatever he wanted and win his seat, she can’t. Even Tories I know in the constituency are planning to vote Labour as they would prefer that to Reform.
Think they and others sense she’s high on her own supply and not worth jumping ship for.Also as I said earlier it's strange that people who probably can win as independents such as McDonnell or Abbott haven't joined her straight away,
Also if she is "resigning" after 14 years then she joined in 2011, the Ed Miliband era which was pretty much like the current party.Think they and others sense she’s high on her own supply and not worth jumping ship for.
You’ve assumed I was on about his performance track record. I’m not. He’s Starmer’s right-hand man, he was the driving force behind his leadership campaign, then the election campaign (I agree with the above comments on this element; shooting fish in a barrel), he outstayed Sue Gray for a reason. He’s not going anywhere.
Ironically, Wes Streeting is actually McSweeney’s man so I expect that to play out at some point.
Edit: thinking about it, the key problem is Labour still seem to be in campaign mode, not governing mode.
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