Do you want to discuss boring politics? (26 Viewers)

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Oh how will I cope without the approval of you and that buffoon.
I have never said that a government can print more and more money without consequence, I have consistently said that a government that issues its own currency is not dependent on tax to spend.
It must always spend first otherwise it would be unable to collect any tax.
I'm sure fatlad will agree that a sensible government should tax passive income and unearned wealth to mitigate inflationary pressure and encourage fairer asset distribution.

Oh, co’mon Fern, I’m only pulling your leg!

It’s not strictly true that the government needs to ‘spend and tax’. After all, how else would have a budget surplus?

‘Unearned wealth’ is one of those slippery terms used by the left. If I invest money into companies that allows them to raise funds, grow and employ more people… Investors getting paid dividends isn’t ’unearned wealth’ because it has helped boost tax revenues for the treasury via corporation and tax-paying workers.

Going after investors and savers will backfire and have a negative impact on the economy. Just as non-dom clampdown has.

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

“Favorite rejoinder of Senator Harry S. Truman, when a member of his war contracts investigating committee objects to his strenuous pace: ‘If you don’t like the heat, get out of the kitchen’.”

Yes they are human beings who are taking it hard but to be a front line politician you must be very very robust. Are they suited to the job at hand, I do not think so.

Of course having a thick skin is necessary as a politician because you're clearly going to upset some people all of the time and all of the people some of the time and get shit thrown at you but at the same time isn't have a bunch of hard-nosed, career and prestige driven egomaniacs a big part of the problem?

Maybe we could do with more people with human emotions in politics. When Theresa May cried leaving as PM it's about the only time she's felt even vaguely relatable to normal people.

 

[fernandopartridge]

This is correct

 

[Mcbean]

Farage was being interviewed this morning - while I don’t agree with everything he stands for he didn’t duck any questions and he told the guy that clearly had an issue with him - don’t vote for me - unlike Starmer who never answers a question directly !

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Harsh from bsb gutted

How so?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Farage was being interviewed this morning - while I don’t agree with everything he stands for he didn’t duck any questions and he told the guy that clearly had an issue with him - don’t vote for me - unlike Starmer who never answers a question directly !

That’s cause he’s lying
I can’t believe populists get willing members throughout history time and time again
Look here a tricky issue no no it’s black and white it’s this groups fault and these are who you can blame
You and your group won’t need to do anything but just blame them and remove them
It’s fuckin infantile

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

How so?

You said I wouldn’t say boo to a goose

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You said I wouldn’t say boo to a goose

That isn’t necessarily a criticism

 

[wingy]

How's the dollar doing, surely that's tanking as well as ours?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That isn’t necessarily a criticism

Pray tell

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

How's the dollar doing, surely that's tanking as well as ours?

Massively

 

[wingy]

Won't be in hock to China for long then will they?

 

[tisza]

That’s cause he’s lying
I can’t believe populists get willing members throughout history time and time again
Look here a tricky issue no no it’s black and white it’s this groups fault and these are who you can blame
You and your group won’t need to do anything but just blame them and remove them
It’s fuckin infantile

Every political party in UK has a target group(s) that are responsible for the bulk of problems - can be immigrants, business, trade unions,wealthy, over-educated, under-educated, nationalists and so on. Reform aren't going to win an election on immigration alone. All parties legislate to restrict/hamper/affect their target groups.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Every political party in UK has a target group(s) that are responsible for the bulk of problems - can be immigrants, business, trade unions,wealthy, over-educated, under-educated, nationalists and so on. Reform aren't going to win an election on immigration alone. All parties legislate to restrict/hamper/affect their target groups.

They will

 

[shmmeee]

McSweeney is, to my mind at least, undoubtedly the key protagonist behind all of this. But track record suggests he above all else will be retained by Starmer.

What track record? Comms and strategy the first twelve months have been a disaster. He might be a good campaigner but there isn’t a campaign for a good three years. I think it’s significantly easier to ship him out, as we saw the assumption with sacking the Chancellor is because it’s Labour the next one will spend loads, even though anyone with any knowledge of Labour knows that’s not the case with McFadden who would be the replacement, but the money markets run on memes and cocaine so.

 

[shmmeee]

Every political party in UK has a target group(s) that are responsible for the bulk of problems - can be immigrants, business, trade unions,wealthy, over-educated, under-educated, nationalists and so on. Reform aren't going to win an election on immigration alone. All parties legislate to restrict/hamper/affect their target groups.

Yeah they’re all the same Vote for whoever it makes no difference.

Fucking mantra of fascists and chancers.

 

[tisza]

Yeah they’re all the same Vote for whoever it makes no difference.

Fucking mantra of fascists and chancers.

Makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[duffer]

What track record? Comms and strategy the first twelve months have been a disaster. He might be a good campaigner but there isn’t a campaign for a good three years. I think it’s significantly easier to ship him out, as we saw the assumption with sacking the Chancellor is because it’s Labour the next one will spend loads, even though anyone with any knowledge of Labour knows that’s not the case with McFadden who would be the replacement, but the money markets run on memes and cocaine so.

I'm not sure he's even a good campaigner, the previous Government was so widely hated that all Labour had to do was keep quiet and let them fuck up. Even then, the vote share was hardly stellar.

The best thing that could happen to Starmer might have just happened; the backbenches have found a spine and some vestige of a social consience might be emerging in the Labour party.

Shifting potential Reform voters might now be impossible now that the lunatic element of the current Tory party, and Starmer himself to some degree, has validated them.

However, bringing back centre left progressives (or just getting them to turn out) might still be possible if Labour shifts back in that direction. I guess we'll see.

 

[wingy]

Anything in the currency shift to say we possibly had to do this to not look out of place with the dollar,interst rates out of step with the majority at this point?