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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Tuesday at 3:57 PM
  • #51,766
Captain Dart said:
Why would you want to know?
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The man has more moral defects than anyone on your hitlist
 
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SBT

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  • Tuesday at 4:10 PM
  • #51,767
Captain Dart said:
Great plan, appoint a drunkard as leader.
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Charming
 

Captain Dart

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  • Tuesday at 4:56 PM
  • #51,768
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The man has more moral defects than anyone on your hitlist
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I have a hitlist, why didn't someone tell me.
 

MalcSB

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  • Tuesday at 5:00 PM
  • #51,769
Haven’t the days of a two horse race long gone?
 

Mcbean

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  • Tuesday at 5:14 PM
  • #51,770
rob9872 said:
don't forget the idiot policeman and the fella who was with one of the Cheeky girls too
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Lembik Opik ? -hes a biker and came to our club and gave a talk on MAG - someone ( in jest) asked him which of the cheeky girls he preferred - he said he was never sure which one was which
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Tuesday at 5:24 PM
  • #51,771
fernandopartridge said:
With people like this clown on your side, who needs enemies:

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I’m certain the Lib Dems exchanged backing the tuition fee increases in exchange for the AV referendum. I may off the mark because this purely ‘off the top of my head recall’.

If I’ve recalled correctly, what a calamitous decision from a ‘grown up’ like Nick Clegg.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Tuesday at 8:12 PM
  • #51,772
Vagrancy act a good thing too
 
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shmmeee

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  • Wednesday at 8:47 AM
  • #51,773
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The left was already split courtesy of the Lib Dems. The interesting thing now seems that the right which was largely united behind the Tories has now been split by Farage UK
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Lib Dem’s aren’t left.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Wednesday at 8:49 AM
  • #51,774
Mucca Mad Boys said:
I’m certain the Lib Dems exchanged backing the tuition fee increases in exchange for the AV referendum. I may off the mark because this purely ‘off the top of my head recall’.

If I’ve recalled correctly, what a calamitous decision from a ‘grown up’ like Nick Clegg.
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On its face it’s not. Tuition fees is a temporary policy change. Changing the voting system has been the long term aim of the small parties forever. They just massively underestimated the idiocy of the general public for falling the the No campaign nonsense. Much like Cameron underestimated them on Brexit.

I’d be amazed if any politician is stupid enough to hang their party on a referendum again though.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Wednesday at 8:51 AM
  • #51,775
fernandopartridge said:
Hard to take Greens seriously when you have nimbyism like this:

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Is it nimbyism? As far as I'm aware they've always been firmly against nuclear in favour of renewables
 

shmmeee

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  • Wednesday at 8:55 AM
  • #51,776
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Is it nimbyism? As far as I'm aware they've always been firmly against nuclear in favour of renewables
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Because they’re NIMBYs. Nuclear is clean green safe energy, like trains are clean transport and new homes are more energy efficient. Just like GMO is better for feeding starving people. Greens are again all of this.

But Greens are the rural Tory NIMBY party first and environmentalists second. The fact that in the cities they’re supported exclusively by blue haired non binary otherkins is extremely funny.
 

rob9872

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  • Wednesday at 9:34 AM
  • #51,777
shmmeee said:
Lib Dem’s aren’t left.
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The current offering perhaps not so (although I'm not sure what they are tbh as they're certainly not right either), but their roots from being Liberal merging with the SDP are left.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Wednesday at 10:13 AM
  • #51,778
rob9872 said:
The current offering perhaps not so (although I'm not sure what they are tbh as they're certainly not right either), but their roots from being Liberal merging with the SDP are
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I think Clegg and even Davey and the like are closer to a Cameron and Osbourne view than even a Blairite. There’s definitely left wing people in the party but mostly in a nice liberal be lovely to everyone type of vibe not so much a smash the capitalist pigs type.
 

mmttww

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  • Wednesday at 12:31 PM
  • #51,779
shmmeee said:
Nuclear is clean green safe energy...
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Is it? Folks that got irradiated after different disasters might disagree. I'd rather we didn't have it. Having concerns about nuclear being called NIMBYism is a bit weird, fella.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Wednesday at 1:24 PM
  • #51,780
mmttww said:
Is it? Folks that got irradiated after different disasters might disagree. I'd rather we didn't have it. Having concerns about nuclear being called NIMBYism is a bit weird, fella.
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More people die building nuclear power plants than after they’re built. They’re one of the safest energy sources around. They are zero carbon and the waste product is absolutely tiny.

There’s been two nuclear disasters with fatalities: Chernobyl where an outdated and unsafe tech was run into the ground by an authoritarian regime and Fukushima where arguably one guy died of cancer afterwards but otherwise there seem to have been virtually no long term effects. And that was a nuclear reactor built on a fault line.

I don’t think either apply to a conversation about nuclear in the UK in 2025.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Wednesday at 1:34 PM
  • #51,781
shmmeee said:
Chernobyl where an outdated and unsafe tech was run into the ground by an authoritarian regime
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Good job we're excellent at maintaining our infrastructure then!

Sellafield nuclear clean-up too slow and too costly, say MPs

Parliamentary committee raises concerns over ‘suboptimal’ workplace culture at ageing waste dump
www.theguardian.com
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Wednesday at 1:37 PM
  • #51,782
mmttww said:
Is it? Folks that got irradiated after different disasters might disagree. I'd rather we didn't have it. Having concerns about nuclear being called NIMBYism is a bit weird, fella.
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Nuclear wouldn’t be the long term fix, but it would give countries enough time to find that fix while not burning fossil fuels. The time for it was when the French got underway with it, and iirc they’ve had zero disasters to speak of.
 

shmmeee

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  • Wednesday at 1:37 PM
  • #51,783
chiefdave said:
Good job we're excellent at maintaining our infrastructure then!

Sellafield nuclear clean-up too slow and too costly, say MPs

Parliamentary committee raises concerns over ‘suboptimal’ workplace culture at ageing waste dump
www.theguardian.com
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I mean you joke but you’ve posted a government body criticising another government body and encouraging change, which puts us a fair bit ahead of soviet Russia.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Wednesday at 1:53 PM
  • #51,784
Oh dear.

 
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rob9872

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  • Wednesday at 2:28 PM
  • #51,785
Captain Dart said:
Oh dear.

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Can hardly be a surprise. History tells us Labour overspend, The Conservatives clear it up and get blamed for needless austerity. Rinse and repeat.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Wednesday at 2:34 PM
  • #51,786
rob9872 said:
Can hardly be a surprise. History tells us Labour overspend, The Conservatives clear it up and get blamed for needless austerity. Rinse and repeat.
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That isn’t actually what history shows at all. Likewise with the Democrats and Republicans in the US.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Wednesday at 2:42 PM
  • #51,787
rob9872 said:
Can hardly be a surprise. History tells us Labour overspend, The Conservatives clear it up and get blamed for needless austerity. Rinse and repeat.
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It doesn't, the below graphic doesn't even show the last 15 years which have been consistent budget deficits. Not that it matters that much on its own anyway, because as I always say the government is not a household and is entirely self funding, it is not operationally dependent on taxes or borrowing to fund its spending.

 
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Grendel

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  • Wednesday at 2:42 PM
  • #51,788
Brighton Sky Blue said:
That isn’t actually what history shows at all. Likewise with the Democrats and Republicans in the US.
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If you believe these figures it does.

He certainly seems to have no bias!

 

fernandopartridge

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  • Wednesday at 2:53 PM
  • #51,789
A government budget surplus is a terrible idea and each surplus is always necessarily followed by large deficits
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Wednesday at 2:54 PM
  • #51,790
Grendel said:
If you believe these figures it does.

He certainly seems to have no bias!

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I’m not doubting the impartiality of the source, but the country’s public services, and the country as a whole, has been badly neglected by the Conservatives for 14 years. It needs major surgery and requires higher spending to try and repair the damage.

If we hadn’t spent the last 14 years cutting corners we wouldn’t need to overcompensate for all the knock on effects of that neglect. No party that put Liz Truss in charge gets to lecture anyone on economic competence
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Wednesday at 2:54 PM
  • #51,791
Captain Dart said:
Oh dear.

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I’ve got no issue with the additional investment/spending, we need it, let’s just hope the extra cash is spent wisely. Unfortunately I don’t have much faith in governments of any political persuasion doing so…only time will tell though. What I find bizarre is the continuing cries of austerity and push back on any, even minor, attempt to control spending and/or make sure cash is spent as effectively as possible.

The fact is though unless rates/yields drop significantly we and many other countries are going to struggle as debt servicing costs will continue to dwarf many other elements of government expenditure.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Wednesday at 2:55 PM
  • #51,792
fernandopartridge said:
A government budget surplus is a terrible idea and each surplus is always necessarily followed by large deficits
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I don’t think you’ll have to worry about that for the foreseeable future
 

Captain Dart

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  • Wednesday at 3:23 PM
  • #51,793
CCFCSteve said:
I’ve got no issue with the additional investment/spending, we need it, let’s just hope the extra cash is spent wisely. Unfortunately I don’t have much faith in governments of any political persuasion doing so…only time will tell though. What I find bizarre is the continuing cries of austerity and push back on any, even minor, attempt to control spending and/or make sure cash is spent as effectively as possible.

The fact is though unless rates/yields drop significantly we and many other countries are going to struggle as debt servicing costs will continue to dwarf many other elements of government expenditure.
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It's borrowing and this will simply lead to more devaluation of the pound, ho hum.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Wednesday at 3:29 PM
  • #51,794
Grendel said:
If you believe these figures it does.

He certainly seems to have no bias!

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He has a far more impressive CV than Rachel Reeves.
 

Mcbean

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 3:55 PM
  • #51,795
More Jam tomorrow from Rachel Theeves
 

shmmeee

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  • Wednesday at 4:02 PM
  • #51,796
rob9872 said:
Can hardly be a surprise. History tells us Labour overspend, The Conservatives clear it up and get blamed for needless austerity. Rinse and repeat.
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Yes. “History”.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Wednesday at 4:06 PM
  • #51,797
CCFCSteve said:
I’ve got no issue with the additional investment/spending, we need it, let’s just hope the extra cash is spent wisely. Unfortunately I don’t have much faith in governments of any political persuasion doing so…only time will tell though. What I find bizarre is the continuing cries of austerity and push back on any, even minor, attempt to control spending and/or make sure cash is spent as effectively as possible.

The fact is though unless rates/yields drop significantly we and many other countries are going to struggle as debt servicing costs will continue to dwarf many other elements of government expenditure.
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The same is true for most people. Difference is people have to pay it off before retirement and a country never retires. This deficit hawk attitude has consistently just lead to expensive failures in public services and crumbling infrastructure that needs rebuilding. We’ve had 14 years of stagnation, how you can argue for more is beyond me TBH.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Wednesday at 4:19 PM
  • #51,798
We’re in desperate need of capital expenditure - as I said previously (and possibly in another thread) we’ve put this off for that many years it’s a daunting prospect to actually address it because of the sums involved, but we need to start somewhere after all.
 

shmmeee

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  • Wednesday at 4:21 PM
  • #51,799
Anyway I’m happy. This is much more what I voted Labour for. Devil in the details, should all happen earlier, but nice to see an unapologetic investment budget targeting homes, transport, public services. It’s not rocket science is it?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Wednesday at 4:26 PM
  • #51,800
Please explain how the UK government could ever struggle to repay a debt it owes denominated in pounds sterling.

I've borrowed some thoughts from others on the thread. Can I ever run out of thoughts to repay those debts?
 
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