Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
It tanked the second they won due to social media mainly
It tanked the second they won due to social media mainlyThey won a landslide because of our niche electoral system. I didn’t vote for Labour but it was good they got a majority because they should have pressed ahead with their agenda of NHS reform, ‘smashing the gangs’ and so on. I like that electoral system gives the winners large majorities.
However, it would be misguided to conclude that Labour was voted in enthusiastically. If this wasn’t obvious back then, their polling has tanked pretty aggressively since the election which hasn’t even been a year yet. That first 12 months is typically a ‘honeymoon period’ for most governments, it doesn’t tend to get much better.
It tanked the second they won due to social media mainly
And you think that’s rational or logical at Xmas having had what 6 monthsNo, the government has made decisions itself admitted were ‘difficult’. The winter fuel allowance being cut whilst the costs of migrant hotels spiralling is absolute toxic to the electorate. Raising taxes in their maiden budget again didn’t go down well.
Starmer is unpopular, people don’t trust him because he doesn’t appear to stand for anything in particular.
Before Xmas, I went to the panto and it was revealing that the biggest boo was an impersonation of Keir Starmer. Bearing in mind this came after Matt Slack did impersonated; Trump, Boris Johnson and Sunak beforehand.
Yesterday there were chants of ‘Starmer is a c**t’ v Andorra which reveals just how much working class voters despise him.
There are genuine questions whether or not Starmer fights the next election already.
And you think that’s rational or logical at Xmas having had what 6 months
And you think that’s rational or logical at Xmas having had what 6 months
They won a landslide because of our niche electoral system. I didn’t vote for Labour but it was good they got a majority because they should have pressed ahead with their agenda of NHS reform, ‘smashing the gangs’ and so on. I like that electoral system gives the winners large majorities.
However, it would be misguided to conclude that Labour was voted in enthusiastically. If this wasn’t obvious back then, their polling has tanked pretty aggressively since the election which hasn’t even been a year yet. That first 12 months is typically a ‘honeymoon period’ for most governments, it doesn’t tend to get much better.
If the electoral system was different the strategy and results would be different. You sound like the corbynites whining at the system cos your man can’t play it.
There is no quick easy solutionYes because you yourself have said you haven’t got what you voted for.
If you look at the 2024 election with a view that Labour wasn’t that popular in the first place, then their polling ratings today should make sense to anyone.
There’s a sense that Labour are nothing differently to the Tories and given their vote share is tanking again, should tell you everything.
If this government made cutting migration and ‘stopping the boats’ a genuine priority from Day 1, they’d be in a far better position. Instead, they’re drawing up plans to house illegal migrants in privately rented accommodation… pure toxic politically in the context of housing shortages.
Starmer has made the exact same blunder as Sunak by raising the salience of the ‘small boats’ and immigration without a credible plan to stop them.
There is no quick easy solution
What evidence is there that the Rwanda scheme acted as any kind of deterrent?Labour scrapping Rwanda without an alternative was a serious blunder. Even if it was a flawed plan and didn’t do what set out to do, it removed any deterrent there was.
Sounds like an entertaining night out for the kidsBefore Xmas, I went to the panto and it was revealing that the biggest boo was an impersonation of Keir Starmer. Bearing in mind this came after Matt Slack did impersonated; Trump, Boris Johnson and Sunak beforehand.
It didn’t remove any deterrent and those that come on boats are known to the system and are registeredTo be honest, I’m coming round to the idea that we need to leave the ECHR, repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a British Bill of Rights.
Labour scrapping Rwanda without an alternative was a serious blunder. Even if it was a flawed plan and didn’t do what set out to do, it removed any deterrent there was.
If that it takes to solve the small boats issue and deport people who commit crimes and violate their visas, then it’s worth it.
Labour scrapping Rwanda without an alternative
It’s like all the rights “cost savings” stealing from tomorrow to pay for today.
No, the government has made decisions itself admitted were ‘difficult’. The winter fuel allowance being cut whilst the costs of migrant hotels spiralling is absolute toxic to the electorate. Raising taxes in their maiden budget again didn’t go down well.
Starmer is unpopular, people don’t trust him because he doesn’t appear to stand for anything in particular.
Before Xmas, I went to the panto and it was revealing that the biggest boo was an impersonation of Keir Starmer. Bearing in mind this came after Matt Slack did impersonated; Trump, Boris Johnson and Sunak beforehand.
Yesterday there were chants of ‘Starmer is a c**t’ v Andorra which reveals just how much working class voters despise him.
There are genuine questions whether or not Starmer fights the next election already.
Sounds like an entertaining night out for the kids
If the money has been spent and is non returnable, isn’t it a bit daft to just cut the scheme without trying it out for a while. Unless you are dogmatically opposed to it in principle and worried it might actually have some impact?Ha ha ha, without an alternative. What’s the alternative to spanking £700 million to achieve nothing?
Not spanking £700 million to achieve nothing?
Ha ha ha, without an alternative. What’s the alternative to spanking £700 million to achieve nothing?
Not spanking £700 million to achieve nothing?
Ha ha ha, trying it out for a while. Good one. The Tories tried it out for 2 years. They planned on spanking as much of £10 billion on it if re-elected. Labour saved the country £9.7 billion simply by being elected.If the money has been spent and is non returnable, isn’t it a bit daft to just cut the scheme without trying it out for a while. Unless you are dogmatically opposed to it in principle and worried it might actually have some impact?
Labour has spanked the scheme as you so elegantly put it.
Alternatively you could cut your losses and not spend time, money and government resources on a scheme that you don’t believe to be effective, have no evidence to show is effective, and was roundly rejected by voters at the last election.If the money has been spent and is non returnable, isn’t it a bit daft to just cut the scheme without trying it out for a while. Unless you are dogmatically opposed to it in principle and worried it might actually have some impact?
Labour has spanked the scheme as you so elegantly put it.
WTAF are you talking about?What a pointless alternative to quote when it wasn’t a possibility. Labour living in an alternative reality. As usual. Prepared to waste public money. As usual.
If the money has been spent and is non returnable, isn’t it a bit daft to just cut the scheme without trying it out for a while. Unless you are dogmatically opposed to it in principle and worried it might actually have some impact?
Labour has spanked the scheme as you so elegantly put it.
Aren't the current lot looking at sensible them to the Balkans? Same scheme, different badge?It was never going to work. It's not Labour's fault the previous government pissed loads of money up the wall on it.
If your concern is wasting public money it seems odd that you're so keen on Rwanda and throwing more money at it.
Could gift millions to a cabinet members pub landlord instead I guess?
And Labour seem to be continuing that trend.
Aren't the current lot looking at sensible them to the Balkans? Same scheme, different badge?
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