Do you want to discuss boring politics? (30 Viewers)

[Grendel]

And if there isn’t those low end options there?

I cannot believe in a 10 mile radius unless you are in the South there are not some properties available

 

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[Ccfcisparks]

I cannot believe in a 10 mile radius unless you are in the South there are not some properties available

Go and search. I looked up Dudley and surrounding areas and there’s nothing.

 

[Grendel]

What the fuck are you on about you cretin?

Calm down Tarquin - it was even delivered by some Oik for you

New cars

I have no words Crap, isn’t it?

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

 

[MalcSB]

I’ve just looked out of curiosity on rightmove for flats less than £100k near me in Dudley.

there are currently 25, and majority are either cash only or investment with a tenant in situ.

let’s say someone living near me is on £25k a year they haven’t got much choice if they are wanting to buy.

Their options are either move away from friends or family to somewhere like Cov, or rent.

£25k pa is national minimum wage (40 hrs a week).

Thats not boomers fault. If you and your peers aren’t happy, do something about it. Follow train drivers and junior doctors example and take some industrial action to improve your lot.

 

[PVA]

Calm down Tarquin - it was even delivered by some Oik for you

New cars

I have no words Crap, isn’t it?

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

I'm well aware of what car I drive.

I'm asking what relevance it has to this conversation?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

£25k pa is national minimum wage (40 hrs a week).

Thats not boomers fault. If you and your peers aren’t happy, do something about it. Follow train drivers and junior doctors example and take some industrial action to improve your lot.

It’s £23k but let’s no split hairs.

who is blaming boomers here? You seem to be the one feeling attacked.

I have my own house and a good wage. I just have enough empathy to realise it is tough for others.

 

[Grendel]

I'm well aware of what car I drive.

I'm asking what relevance it has to this conversation?

Well I would say you are living proof young people can benefit from big houses and big cars the same as older generations. I don't see you have you Tesla in Hillfields somehow

 

[PVA]

who is blaming boomers here? You seem to be the one feeling attacked.

I have my own house and a good wage. I just have enough empathy to realise it is tough for others.

Yeah, exactly this. On both lines.

It's really weird.

 

[PVA]

Well I would say you are living proof young people can benefit from big houses and big cars the same as older generations. I don't see you have you Tesla in Hillfields somehow

I can't tell at this point whether you and Malcolm are just thick or are deliberately missing the point.

 

[MalcSB]

Again someone else bringing up how tough they had it to discredit the fact that it is tough now.

ego is out of control

Pot, kettle, black.

Be interesting to see what the opinion is when all these new houses have been built and early purchasers are surveying their recently acquired negative equity.

 

[Grendel]

I can't tell at this point whether you and Malcolm are just thick or are deliberately missing the point.

Im not missing any point Tarquin - how much was your house when you bought it? You started this nonsense with the “acre of land” brag

 

[PVA]

Im not missing any point Tarquin - how much was your house when you bought it? You started this nonsense with the “acre of land” brag

You are missing the point.

The point is that housing is less affordable now. This is a fact.

Your argument seems to be that this can't possibly be true because you struggled to buy your house.

And that because I own a house that means I can't have empathy for those that are struggling.

It's really weird.

 

[Grendel]

You are missing the point.

The point is that housing is less affordable now. This is a fact.

Your argument seems to be that this can't possibly be true because you struggled to buy your house.

And that because I own a house that means I can't have empathy for those that are struggling.

It's really weird.

No it’s the normalisation of someone’s parents buying a house with an acre of land that’s truly weird.

Your lack of comprehension how the real world operates and your compartmentalism of norms is just astonishing.

 

[PVA]

No it’s the normalisation of someone’s parents buying a house with an acre of land that’s truly weird.

Your lack of comprehension how the real world operates and your compartmentalism of norms is just astonishing.

Haha trying to prove you're not missing the point by...missing the point again is a bold strategy.

 

[Grendel]

What the fuck are you on about you cretin?

Isn’t cretin another term for a retard?

The moral indignation is revealed as hypocrisy - how telling when the mask truly slips.

 

[shmmeee]

Pot, kettle, black.

Be interesting to see what the opinion is when all these new houses have been built and early purchasers are surveying their recently acquired negative equity.

Seriously talk to your GP about SSRIs.

 

[MalcSB]

You are missing the point.

The point is that housing is less affordable now. This is a fact.

Your argument seems to be that this can't possibly be true because you struggled to buy your house.

And that because I own a house that means I can't have empathy for those that are struggling.

It's really weird.

It’s not really weird. You and others have identified an issue and basically worded your comments to target / pin responsibility on a certain wage demographic of consumers.

Unsurprisingly, some of that demographic have challenged back. You probably aren’t used to that, you grew up in what was increasingly being made an uncompetitive world. You probably wouldn’t have lasted a month in the 70s and 80s. All the horrible things you would have come across without trigger warnings.

There have always been people who can’t afford a house.

 

[Grendel]

Haha trying to prove you're not missing the point by...missing the point again is a bold strategy.

You are the product of a privileged upbringing and genuinely without doubt the most stupid and ignorant person who contributes regularly on this forum.

 

[shmmeee]

It’s not really weird. You and others have identified an issue and basically worded your comments to target / pin responsibility on a certain wage demographic of consumers.

Unsurprisingly, some of that demographic have challenged back. You probably aren’t used to that, you grew up in what was increasingly being made an uncompetitive world. You probably wouldn’t have lasted a month in the 70s and 80s. All the horrible things you would have come across without trigger warnings.

There have always been people who can’t afford a house.

If this is a bit it’s very very funny.

 

[PVA]

It’s not really weird. You and others have identified an issue and basically worded your comments to target / pin responsibility on a certain wage demographic of consumers.

Oh my god. How many times.

No one has 'pinned the blame' on boomers.

There is a difference between saying it was more affordable back then and blaming those people. You do realise that, right?

 

[PVA]

You are the product of a privileged upbringing and genuinely without doubt the most stupid and ignorant person who contributes regularly on this forum.

That's funny coming from a bloke who can barely speak English

 

[MalcSB]

Seriously talk to your GP about SSRIs.

I have more important things to talk to my GP about if he / she grants me with their ear to a telephone. It might not be bad advice to for yourself and some of your fellow house price protestors to take. You are reaching hysterical levels.

 

[Grendel]

That's funny coming from a bloke who can barely speak English

I want to take you up on the word cretin. Is that acceptable terminology? As for barely speaking English that seems to suggest I am mentally subnormal. How do you understand what I am saying? How do you know if I can barely speak English as I’ve never actually spoken to you?

 

[PVA]

I want to take you up on the word cretin. Is that acceptable terminology? As for barely speaking English that seems to suggest I am mentally subnormal. How do you understand what I am saying? How do you know if I can barely speak English as I’ve never actually spoken to you?

No it's not acceptable so I apologise. That's the difference between you and me.

 

[Grendel]

Simple means not very intelligent. Which, judging by his writing, is quite accurate.

It's very different to retard and you know it.

Actually, I'm not sure you do. Because you think retard is acceptable.

Yet Cretin is acceptable. Wow.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Nigel Farage says it is 'utterly ludicrous' to allow abortion up to 24 weeks

The Reform UK leader was speaking about how he thinks the two-child benefit cap should be lifted and parents encouraged to have more children.

news.sky.com

Not sure what Farage is playing at here. Is there really a public clamour to tighten up abortion laws in this country? Is there even a serious problem with how the law is being administered?

Check with his funders

I don't know what you want me to say. £25k a year is surely less than minimum wage - and I had no choice - I drove a battered Lada Riva and I at 26 bought a flat which was owned by an elderly person and was run down and I bought second hand furniture. So what? It was great and I loved it

I think nmw on a 40 hour week is £25k ish, but lots of full time jobs are 37.5 hours

 

[PVA]

Yet Cretin is acceptable. Wow.

I mean I've just said it isn't but ok, you carry on.

 

[PVA]

- Housing absorbs a larger share of spending in the UK than in any OECD country except Finland
- The amount of housing consumed in the UK is lower relative to our overall prosperity than in any other OECD country bar Colombia
- Housing is more expensive in the UK relative to general prices than in any other OECD country
- Returning the affordable housing stock to 2010 levels would require nearly 400,000 more social homes


But Grendel and Malc bought a house 50 years ago so the above must be made up nonsense.

 

[mmttww]

People who have enough wealth to talk in terms of portfolios in showing an inability to empathise shock. jfc at the state of some of this.

 

[MalcSB]

You are missing the point.

The point is that housing is less affordable now. This is a fact.

Your argument seems to be that this can't possibly be true because you struggled to buy your house.

And that because I own a house that means I can't have empathy for those that are struggling.

It's really weird.

That is not my argument. My arguments if I have one, is that elements of mots generations have struggled to buy a house, until the bastard Tories introduced right to buy without a responsibility to replace local authority stock which had been sold off on the cheap to tenants (that did piss me off)

And where, precisely, is my post inaccurate?

Time was beer was £2.50 a pint, it’s £6.80 in many places despite the reduction in duty in the work of fiction aka labours first budget. That the same percentage rise as for the house with an acre of garden. How much has cocaine gone up over the same period of time? I have no idea - I have never touched the stuff.

I don't know what you want me to say. £25k a year is surely less than minimum wage - and I had no choice - I drove a battered Lada Riva and I at 26 bought a flat which was owned by an elderly person and was run down and I bought second hand furniture. So what? It was great and I loved it

£25k is minimum wage 40 hrs a wage at standard rate, or 38 hrs standard and s few hours overtime or second job (in a bar for example). It’s not a lottery win. I feel I have been sold the work to live argument by the younger generations who broadcast their struggles. But are they prepared to do that in reality.?

The people to blame are those responsible. Politicians of all persuasion. And net zero will make things no easier. Houses with required EPC will creep up in price, unless you are able to buy a house with poor EPC and retrofit a compliant retrofit upgrade at a reasonable cost.

I cannot believe that house developers these days get away with schemes where homeowners pay for many aspects of services traditionally paid for by local authorities whilst still being charged full council tax. Or how cheap council tax is in London given the cost of housing there.

 

[MalcSB]

- Housing absorbs a larger share of spending in the UK than in any OECD country except Finland
- The amount of housing consumed in the UK is lower relative to our overall prosperity than in any other OECD country bar Colombia
- Housing is more expensive in the UK relative to general prices than in any other OECD country
- Returning the affordable housing stock to 2010 levels would require nearly 400,000 more social homes

- Housing absorbs a larger share of spending in the UK than in any OECD country except Finland
- The amount of housing consumed in the UK is lower relative to our overall prosperity than in any other OECD country bar Colombia
- Housing is more expensive in the UK relative to general prices than in any other OECD country
- Returning the affordable housing stock to 2010 levels would require nearly 400,000 more social

But Grendel and Malc bought a house 50 years ago so the above must be made up nonsense.

Elsewhere I have said that the first house I bought has had no positive contribution to my current financial and residential position. I didn’t own a house 50 years ago. So what you are saying is untrue nonsense.

PVAs post is hugely at variance with my post #51375, which arguably is making the same points but from a different and clearer perspective. It’s the politicians, cretin, starting with Thatcher and the Tories but with a policy and legislation that subsequent governments have not felt confident to repeal. And neither does this one

That is not my argument. My arguments if I have one, is that elements of most generations have struggled to buy a house, until the bastard Tories introduced right to buy without a responsibility to replace local authority stock which had been sold off on the cheap to tenants (that did piss me off)

And where, precisely, is my post inaccurate?

Time was beer was £2.50 a pint, it’s now £6.80 in many places despite the reduction in duty in the work of fiction aka labours first budget. That the same percentage rise as for the house with an acre of garden. How much has cocaine gone up over the same period of time? I have no idea - I have never touched the stuff.

£25k is minimum wage 40 hrs a week at standard rate, or 38 hrs standard and a few hours overtime or second job (in a bar for example). It’s not a lottery win. I feel I have been sold the “we want to work to live” argument by the younger generations who broadcast their struggles. But are they actually prepared to do that in reality? It sounds unlikely. Prepared to spend hours whinging but not to get off their arses and find some extra hours income.

The people to blame are those responsible. Politicians of all persuasion. And net zero will make things no easier. Houses with required EPC will creep up in price, unless you are able to buy a house with poor EPC and retrofit a compliant retrofit upgrade at a reasonable cost. I.E nor quite everything on a plate.

I cannot believe that house developers these days get away with schemes where homeowners pay for many aspects of services traditionally paid for by local authorities whilst still being charged full council tax. Or how cheap council tax is in London given the cost of housing there.

Who is enabling that? Politicians.

 

[MalcSB]

I can't tell at this point whether you and Malcolm are just thick or are deliberately missing the point.

I can assure you I am not thick. My IQ is well above average, I have post graduate scientific qualifications, I have managed complex multi million pound clinical services in NHS Trusts of various sizes across England. I have been head hunted to take on very specific, high profile and well paid roles from time to time because I had a professional reputation that I was good at my job and was also willing to take a risk on a new role based on my own personal abilities and skill set.

 

[MalcSB]

Yeah, exactly this. On both lines.

It's really weird.

Have you heard of this concept?

The statement "if it is what it perceived its what happened" suggests that our individual experience of reality is shaped by our perception, not necessarily by objective truth. It highlights that what we believe to have happened, based on our senses and interpretation, becomes our reality.

There are a number of you who are trying to make an argument in a way you consider neutral, factual and blame free speech - but are failing. At least two of us are opposing what we perceive you are saying and therefore aren’t actually being neutral, we are being possibly over assertive in our own defence because what we perceive you are accusing us of is untrue and, frankly, Insulting. As this untruth is now our reality, you will be unlikely to convince us otherwise.

Grendel may not agree with me, ultimately I can only speak for myself

 

[shmmeee]

The statement "if it is what it perceived its what happened" suggests that our individual experience of reality is shaped by our perception, not necessarily by objective truth.

Fucking hell check out Foucault over here.

Malc there is a housing affordability crisis. To even attempt to deny this is the height of contraryism. Like denying the sky is blue or demanding a debate on whether humans need oxygen. Grendel has some weird humiliation fetish/ODD. Don’t join him.

 

[Grendel]

- Housing absorbs a larger share of spending in the UK than in any OECD country except Finland
- The amount of housing consumed in the UK is lower relative to our overall prosperity than in any other OECD country bar Colombia
- Housing is more expensive in the UK relative to general prices than in any other OECD country
- Returning the affordable housing stock to 2010 levels would require nearly 400,000 more social homes


But Grendel and Malc bought a house 50 years ago so the above must be made up nonsense.

I bought a house when I was 10?