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DO NOT boo the knee (1 Viewer)
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Londonccfcfan
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Pretty sad that we feel the need to start a thread about this. Fully endorse this agree.
In a 15k crowd your gonna get 15 who boo. That's society.
The booing is itself a form of protest.
shmmeee
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You're confusing politics meaning “how we should run society” (don’t be racist) with party politics which is what the knuckle draggers mean (It’s left wing Marxism innit).
in the widest sense it’s politics, but in this debate saying it’s poltical aligns you with the knuckle draggers. I’m a massive pedant, but there’s a time and a place to be a smart arse and this ain’t it chief.
Samo
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Not in the slightest. What I said was that everything is political, not that everything is party political.
I don't agree with the booing but you can't just expect everybody to applaud.
shmmeee
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Yes in the slightest. You’re being a pedant (I hope) where it’s not needed. This isn’t the place for “ackshually”. Unless you’re a racist.
TwistAndShoutCCFC1987
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Stop trying to use the “it’s political” argument to justify booing the knee when one of our players has just been racially abused
Otis
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Who is the numpty in that video after Lyle Taylor talks?
Is it an old video perhaps? We have now gone way past BLM, as clubs and players have clarified the reason they are taking the knee. It's an anti racism stance and not a pro BLM stance.
I'll be very disappointed if that's not an old video.
Londonccfcfan
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Sod the politics. Can't change institu
You may not agree with it. Boo ers or clappers. But either way can show some respect for people's/players/clubs opinions and just keep your gob your shut. Pretty simple.
hill83
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I can't imagine that's what he is trying to do.
NorthernWisdom
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In his defence, he hasn't done that.
It is however leading off into odd territory... but he could well be suggesting that not agreeing with the politics is in fact not agreeing with anti racism...
SlowerThanPlatt
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Why can’t you?
Samo
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Why are you being a dick? My point is that everything in life is political.
If you want to boil it down to footy alone it dictates the laws under which our club operates right down to the price you pay on the bus to go see them and everything else in between. My view on taking the knee, which I will keep to myself for now just for fun, is a political one, and like it or not so is yours. To suggest otherwise is naive or ignorant
skybluetony176
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If you really do believe that taking the knee is political that’s your prerogative. Just make sure you’re on the right side of the political divide. ie the one that doesn’t side with racism. In other words if you can’t support taking the knee don’t boo it.
Samo
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Ok line crossed, I fully support taking of the knee and cannot comprehend why anything I have said has made you assume otherwise.
ccfc1234
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I don't know who the numpty is. It's definitely from last season. Was thinking Forest fans were the majority who were booing a gesture, that has in the minds of most, moved on from its BLM roots. Having their star forward expressing these views in recent history will not be helping those fans who have not kept up with or are sceptical about the evolution of the gesture.
clint van damme
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and guaranteed some of those silly cunts will have been wanking over the 2 tone top
MacReady
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Probably the most common sense post on this thread.
long way home
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This is a topic is easy on the face of it, racism has no place in society, never did never should. Now, have I heard it, seen it or been on the end of it? many times. But it never changed me, I treat people I meet with respect and judge them on the character, not the colour of skin, race or religion. I believe the majority of us live by the same ethic and agree something has to be done if and when racism is reported.
So on the face of it it's an easy topic majority agree, it has no place.
But this is where I look a bit deeper and look at the gesture and not the cause, as we all know the cause is very important. If you think kneeling by players is a symbolic gestures brought about to highlight a problem, then you have to understand the origins of where and why this gesture is being used.
In my opinion it's very much a symbolic gestures, therefore knowing the origins of it and know it's political connection, I do not support this gesture of the players. As I don't support the political arm these gesture are connected too and were started from, they are very harmful to us all if we want peace as a community.
The cause the players have is true, is worthwhile and should be supported by all. The symbolic gestures in my opinion needs to change, as the connection to politics is very obvious. I would not boo the players as they are free to decide actions taken as individuals. I just wish they can come up with something themselves and severe this connection to an outside political source.
I know this will bother some and anger others. But its just my view and maybe a different angle to why some don't want players to do it and voice it by booing. Others who boo have completely different reasons that they have to live with and defend themselves.
So on the face of it it's an easy topic majority agree, it has no place.
But this is where I look a bit deeper and look at the gesture and not the cause, as we all know the cause is very important. If you think kneeling by players is a symbolic gestures brought about to highlight a problem, then you have to understand the origins of where and why this gesture is being used.
In my opinion it's very much a symbolic gestures, therefore knowing the origins of it and know it's political connection, I do not support this gesture of the players. As I don't support the political arm these gesture are connected too and were started from, they are very harmful to us all if we want peace as a community.
The cause the players have is true, is worthwhile and should be supported by all. The symbolic gestures in my opinion needs to change, as the connection to politics is very obvious. I would not boo the players as they are free to decide actions taken as individuals. I just wish they can come up with something themselves and severe this connection to an outside political source.
I know this will bother some and anger others. But its just my view and maybe a different angle to why some don't want players to do it and voice it by booing. Others who boo have completely different reasons that they have to live with and defend themselves.
shmmeee
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You’re just wrong mate. Kapernick started it not a polticial organisation. No ones angry or upset, just informing you that you’re misinformed and making yourself look a nob.
Samo
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The gesture is not connected to any political 'arm'.
shmmeee
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For the record saying Black Lives Matter also isn’t a political organisation. There is a BLM organisation, they don’t own the phrase. People saying it literally mean that Black Lives Matter, footballers taking the knee are just standing against racism.
Who started it or which groups have similar names means the square root of fuck all. What matters is what the people using the gesture mean when they use it and they’re clear on that. Fankaty Dabo isn’t a revolutionary Marxist you fucking eejits.
You’re not a big brain, you’re a dipshit doing the work of racists trying to discredit a basic request for equality.
Who started it or which groups have similar names means the square root of fuck all. What matters is what the people using the gesture mean when they use it and they’re clear on that. Fankaty Dabo isn’t a revolutionary Marxist you fucking eejits.
You’re not a big brain, you’re a dipshit doing the work of racists trying to discredit a basic request for equality.
long way home
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You answered your question, it's fine you don't see knelling as a symbolic gestures. So you can't possibly connect it to a political group.
shmmeee
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It’s not about me. Or you. It’s about the people doing the gesture and they’re very clear on what they mean. But feel free to point me to Julian Dacosta’s fucking manifesto. Idiot.
shmmeee
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This is mind numbingly simple:
If you are against racism in football, support the players.
If you’re not, mark yourself out as a racist and I hope you get banned from the ground for life, just like the Nazi Barnsley fan. No place for fans like that in our club. This City has a long and proud anti-racist tradition.
If you are against racism in football, support the players.
If you’re not, mark yourself out as a racist and I hope you get banned from the ground for life, just like the Nazi Barnsley fan. No place for fans like that in our club. This City has a long and proud anti-racist tradition.
long way home
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Thought you weren't going to get upset, as I said we disagree, that's fine. I see it as a gesture, you don't.
Don't worry yourself we all can't follow your view and I don't expect anyone to follow mine. It's just an opinion. I thought you was my friend as well, started off so well, friend to an idiot, dip shit in all of 5 mins.
SkyBlueGuy
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Given that so many player have come out and said that it is not a politically affiliated gesture, and have been quite clear that it is about taking a stand on racism, then I don't really understand your point. The gesture itself, as has been pointed out, predates recent events. There may be some people who take the view that you put forward, but to me that seems to require quite a lot of mental hoop jumping. The outcome of booing is very symbolic in itself. The players are taking a stand against racism, if you express your discontent (vocally or otherwise) with that, then the message you are sending is also quite clear.
I would also suggest anyone interested in this topic do some research into the origins of this gesture. It was never affiliated to a specific political movement (aside from the broad theme of highlighting racism and inequality).
JimmyHillsbeard
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It’s depressing that this has to be spelt out. The people organising the stance have said it’s simply a statement about opposition to racism. If you’re anti anti-racist I’ve a fair idea what you are.
Politics is about power, who has it, who doesn’t abs why.
Taking the knee is a political gesture in the same way that wearing a poppy and having a minute’s silence during games nearest Remembrance Sunday is. If you’re booing taking the knee how would you react to a bunch of fans booing the silence in November?
Clap in support of Dabo and the City with the longest history of multiracial diversity in the country or shut the fuck up. Booing isn’t simply parading ignorance it’s an incendiary act.
Politics is about power, who has it, who doesn’t abs why.
Taking the knee is a political gesture in the same way that wearing a poppy and having a minute’s silence during games nearest Remembrance Sunday is. If you’re booing taking the knee how would you react to a bunch of fans booing the silence in November?
Clap in support of Dabo and the City with the longest history of multiracial diversity in the country or shut the fuck up. Booing isn’t simply parading ignorance it’s an incendiary act.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Agreed. I’ve explained a lot of times that “taking the knee” isn’t to support a career criminal
Kaeperneck was doing it 3 years prior. I don’t see why it causes so much division. The players want to take the knee - why are so many against it. Doesn’t affect anyone else’s life.