I agree, I am not trying to say he is best either it is just everytime his scouting gets questioned I hear he scouted the current squad which isn't a fair measurement of his scouting abilities. A better reflection on his scouting abilities would be a squad of all players scouted by Thorn regardless of if they are still at the club.Im not saying he is rubbish either with Gunnar a good example! Just think people really do see him in a strange way!
I didnt say he was rubbish? What i dont get is how thorn is over achieving when the team is mostly his?
Keogh - Player of the year for a team the league below, obvious he would do well surely?
Westwood - See above
I am pretty sure I could load football manager up and find players that could develop and improve us...
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I agree, I am not trying to say he is best either it is just everytime his scouting gets questioned I hear he scouted the current squad which isn't a fair measurement of his scouting abilities. A better reflection on his scouting abilities would be a squad of all players scouted by Thorn regardless of if they are still at the club.
The squad has been stripped to a few good players left, dud scouted by Thorn and academy players.
Did Gardner do much? Did we not play him out of position?
What i meant by football manager that how hard is it to discover an England under 21 international?
If players come up on the loan list or get offered about we will take them.
Why are people banging on about carroll? Did thorn discover him? No
Did we have the money for him? No
I can say I spotted somebody like Rooney but we dont have the money!
Why didnt he find somebody we could afford who was good? Surely that is good scouting?
Some people are happy with how everything is, our players and manager are all great! Sisus fault we are going down!
1) Why are you ignoring the facts? Thorn has stated he has rejected 2 strikers coming in on loan for one reason or another.Did Gardner do much? Did we not play him out of position?
What i meant by football manager that how hard is it to discover an England under 21 international?
If players come up on the loan list or get offered about we will take them. (1)
Why are people banging on about carroll? Did thorn discover him? No (2)
Did we have the money for him? No
I can say I spotted somebody like Rooney but we dont have the money!
Why didnt he find somebody we could afford who was good? (3) Surely that is good scouting?
Some people are happy with how everything is, our players and manager are all great! Sisus fault we are going down!
Just a question ........ did we have a network of scouts working under AT as head scout ? if so who spotted who ? not a dig at AT btw
Its one thing spotting quite another signing a player - and it isnt guaranteed some of the names mentioned would ever have chosen to come here. Press reports from Sunderland for example said they were never going to sell at that point
Why are people banging on about carroll? Did thorn discover him? No
Did we have the money for him? No
I can say I spotted somebody like Rooney but we dont have the money!
SISU don't even allow us to pay for a fitness coach full time - so how likely is It that there's a scouting network?
I think we tried to sign Caroll when he was under the radar at loan at Preston. Before Newcastle and the rest of the country discovered how good he actually was.
Whoever made this thread is clueless, it wasn't thorn who found nimely and norwood. It was steve waggot. All thorn did was say yes. We could have had many more loan signings but it is through thorns own stubborness that he had rejected all the players offered to him. His excuse about that striker not being fit was a huge mistake. We might as well accept relegation now if he thinks platt on his own up there is enough to save us. Why not take a punt on that player?! Surely he's more fit than freddy and we desperately need a goalscorer as shown at forest as we lacked that final presence of a natural goalscorer. We have a bit of money to take a few cheap loans yet it is thorns fault in not taking him. With thorn we are down. And to all the people who are pro thorn, of course I would like him to do well as I don't want to see my team doing shit but he's not doing well and he's had his time and we need someone who knows more tactically to try to keep us up.
Oh please indulge me mary. How is what I said anything other than the truth?Absolute rubbish. I can't even begin to pull that insanity apart as I don't know where to begin
This threading a bit inane though. Consider one simple thing. None of us know the names Thorn had put to the various guises of the board.
However, there's one thing we do know. That we pay the bottom three wages in the league.
Whoever we look at, other teams will also be looking at. They will, of course, offer better terms. Shall I give you an example, Drinkwater to Barnsley, and now Leicester.
Footballers are mercenary, with short careers. They follow the cash.
You pay bottom three wages, you get bottom three players. You have bottom three players - barring miracles - you end up in the bottom three
Whoever made this thread is clueless, it wasn't thorn who found nimely and norwood. It was steve waggot. All thorn did was say yes. We could have had many more loan signings but it is through thorns own stubborness that he had rejected all the players offered to him. His excuse about that striker not being fit was a huge mistake. We might as well accept relegation now if he thinks platt on his own up there is enough to save us. Why not take a punt on that player?! Surely he's more fit than freddy and we desperately need a goalscorer as shown at forest as we lacked that final presence of a natural goalscorer. We have a bit of money to take a few cheap loans yet it is thorns fault in not taking him. With thorn we are down. And to all the people who are pro thorn, of course I would like him to do well as I don't want to see my team doing shit but he's not doing well and he's had his time and we need someone who knows more tactically to try to keep us up.
Downes believes he can guide a young Sky Blues squad to safety, providing he is given the time and resources to do so.
This is from Wally Downes who has been in the game a while
It is not always the case though, do we think Norwich have a bigger wage budget than QPR and Villa? Look where they are in the table. I put that down to having a great manager who has found some decent footballers for not much at all.
Do Forest have a smaller wage bill than most of the league?
I do agree that we don't know 100% who Thorn has scouted and who he hasn't, all just going off speculation.
I'm talking about the players signed this season as he is actually currently our manager not chief scout anymore. It has been steve waggot for nimely and norwood and not him. And it was thorn who chose cody mcdonald as waggot wasn't there yet. If your so sure that thorns so good at spotting talent then why should he not go back to chief scout? As he has showed he has had no managerial success. Yes we are obviously going to go for the players on the least paid wages possible but there are plenty of these players who have been offered to thorn and he has had enough money to take them but has chose not to. When thorn does eventually get sacked (probs at the end of the season now as we need to spend the money we've got on new loan signings rather than paying for a new manager and an assistant manager whilst paying off thorn and harrison). Thorn will make excuses about sisu not giving him funds for loans when really its through his own stubborn and ignorant attitude that players have not been coming in
Surely Newcastle knew he was good to sign him and Preston for loaning him?
Thorn saying he rejected two loans is when he gets offered them he says no thanks, I think behind the scenes with agents there are players being touted all the time.
Like I said, Gunnar and Deegan were great scouting but people are making out he discovered Caroll and Gardner like he is a genius!!
But Nick, we've been over this same one a million and one times. Money doesn't ensure success. But there's a huge correlatin between cash invested and return. Across every league in envy division in the world.
Some managers underperform. Cotterill. Other managers over perform. Ferguson at Posh. However, such managers are at the edges.
Given the wages we pay, to do any better than to finish in the bottom three - consummate with the funds we invest in the playing side - would to be to expect, not hope, but expect a rookie manager to over perform from the start.
Do we have a realistic right to expect that?
But you just said if you pay the bottom 3 wages then you will be in the bottom 3? Of course West Ham have a big wage bill so are up there, they also have a good manager!
IT would be interesting to compare Southampton's wages with Forest for example.
My point is, surely if Thorn was an amazing scout as some people make out, he would be able to get us a Grant Holt for peanuts with small wages.
Nobody knows 100% what happens behind the scenes though do they?
But you just said if you pay the bottom 3 wages then you will be in the bottom 3? Of course West Ham have a big wage bill so are up there, they also have a good manager!
IT would be interesting to compare Southampton's wages with Forest for example.
My point is, surely if Thorn was an amazing scout as some people make out, he would be able to get us a Grant Holt for peanuts with small wages.
Nobody knows 100% what happens behind the scenes though do they?
But Nick, we've been over this same one a million and one times. Money doesn't ensure success. But there's a huge correlatin between cash invested and return. Across every league in envy division in the world.
Some managers underperform. Cotterill. Other managers over perform. Ferguson at Posh. However, such managers are at the edges.
Given the wages we pay, to do any better than to finish in the bottom three - consummate with the funds we invest in the playing side - would to be to expect, not hope, but expect a rookie manager to over perform from the start.
Do we have a realistic right to expect that?
This thread was down to his scouting and how Nimely and Norwood only came here because of him rather than his managerial skills though and how Thorn discovered Carroll and Henderson.
I gave Lambert as an example of somebody doing well with a small wage budget, hardly my mate
Plus that percentage is only a tiny bit lower than Thorn's from this season isn't it? 36 games and 6 wins, isnt that about 16% or so? Hardly a big increase is it?
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