Do be fair to Thorn he attracts good loan signings... (2 Viewers)
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dongonzalos
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agree he is one hell of a talent at spotting talent
Grendel
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Says who? (other than you)
Lord_Nampil
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Nimley Fantastic footballer, but from what i have seen so far he cant finish so as we need a goal scoring striker was he a good loan signing???
IMO btw so you can have your own views on it!
IMO btw so you can have your own views on it!
dongonzalos
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WillieStanley
New Member
He's been the victim of a billion wonder saves!
What a stupid comment.
So without Thorn, we wouldn't get loan players from big clubs?
How have we managed to obtain loanees from these clubs pre-Thorn then?
Then it's confirmed bullsh1t
covcity4life
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this is dongozalas 2nd account, or 3rd or 4th if you include torch and NLHWC
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Nick
Administrator
Of course they would, they sent Norwood to Scunthorpe and Thorn wasn't there?
Sick Boy
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You have to be on the wind-up surly?
lordsummerisle
Well-Known Member
So, which is it?
He's great at spotting talent, therefore we have a good squad?
Or, we don't have a good squad, and therefore not great at spotting talent?
Sick Boy
Well-Known Member
These lot make it up as they go along, I feel sorry for them.
Both Nimley & Norwood have already been out on loan in the Championship, anyone would think Thorn has unleashed two unknown & obscure players.
@richh87
Member
He has supplemented a poor squad with 2 good loan signings. Because SISU are such cheapskates there is no depth.
I refuse to believe that any city supporter thinks we have an adequate squad. Some of you just like to argue.
Nick
Administrator
The thing is, did he not scout most of the players that we have now?
Sick Boy
Well-Known Member
Only when it suits people.
bulkingtonskyblues
New Member
well as far as i can see thorn has brought in one loan player that looks better than what we had, nimely, norwood is no better that clingan, what happened to the others he promised? experienced striker? thorn is becoming one of my most hated managers of all time, and just one thing for the thorn fans, he handed bell his new 3 year deal because he said "the lad is quality", just think about that sentence
Sick Boy
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I would imagine Bell is on a fair old wage as well. That could have been spent better elsewhere in the squad.
Grendel
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Beat me to it nick. Though no doubt rich will say any decent players scouted by thorn and any poor ones were signed by the manager.
Thorn also has given some of these poor players extended contracts with glowing references. Again rich will say sisu wanted these contracts signed and threatened to torture the poor chap if he did not say these things.
Truth is his arguments are becoming as poor as the managers win ratio he tries to defend.
Thorn also has given some of these poor players extended contracts with glowing references. Again rich will say sisu wanted these contracts signed and threatened to torture the poor chap if he did not say these things.
Truth is his arguments are becoming as poor as the managers win ratio he tries to defend.
Nick
Administrator
This is our first 11:
Murphy - AT
Christie - Youth
Keogh - AT
Cranie - AT??
Clarke - Youth
Deegan - AT
Norwood - AT
McSheffrey - Obvious choice so probably no scout
Baker - AT
Nimely - AT
Platt - I think this was Boothroyd as he knew him from before
That means most of our starting 11 AT scouted so if the team is so bad, then surely his eye for talent isn't as good? I agree of course, we don't have the depth but the quality of what we do have is surely down to AT scouting?
Murphy - AT
Christie - Youth
Keogh - AT
Cranie - AT??
Clarke - Youth
Deegan - AT
Norwood - AT
McSheffrey - Obvious choice so probably no scout
Baker - AT
Nimely - AT
Platt - I think this was Boothroyd as he knew him from before
That means most of our starting 11 AT scouted so if the team is so bad, then surely his eye for talent isn't as good? I agree of course, we don't have the depth but the quality of what we do have is surely down to AT scouting?
mark82
Moderator
I don't think the first XI is that bad to be honest, though the squad is a bit light, so not sure if judging him on 1st team alone is fair.
Also, we will never really know which players were scouted by Thorn and which were just known to previous managers. Deegan I suppose is the obvious one to have been scouted being from Ireland. The others could conceivably have been managers choices (some of which are AT's as manager).
Also, we will never really know which players were scouted by Thorn and which were just known to previous managers. Deegan I suppose is the obvious one to have been scouted being from Ireland. The others could conceivably have been managers choices (some of which are AT's as manager).
Big Cyrille
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I would like to think AT would bring in better players if he had the money to do so
dongonzalos
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You also have to consider what limitations have been placed on him. Thorn may have spotted plenty of other talent that should be feesible for us to afford only to be told no by SISU. e.g
"Andy Thorn had been to watch Carroll when he was on loan at preston ... had a team with Westwood in goal, England U21 international Martin Cranie at right-back, Scott Dann, Ben Turner, Danny Fox, Jordan Henderson, Aron Gunnarsson, Sammy Clingan, Jack Cork, Gary McSheffrey and Andy Carroll up front." Ranson
Dont forget the Juke, Nimley, Norwood, Gardner, Herman (if not injured). Deegan I dont tknow the exact facts to be honest but I think regarding the above bar Turner, Thorn, was behind most of it scouting wise. Bell and Baker are debated by people about whether they are good or bad. Most I believe are not happy with them. McDonald is still to be judged. 7 of those player are gone and 1 was not deemed financialy worth it (Carroll)
http://www.football.co.uk/coventry_city/ranson__carroll_could_have_been_coventry_s_rss1635350.shtml
"Andy Thorn had been to watch Carroll when he was on loan at preston ... had a team with Westwood in goal, England U21 international Martin Cranie at right-back, Scott Dann, Ben Turner, Danny Fox, Jordan Henderson, Aron Gunnarsson, Sammy Clingan, Jack Cork, Gary McSheffrey and Andy Carroll up front." Ranson
Dont forget the Juke, Nimley, Norwood, Gardner, Herman (if not injured). Deegan I dont tknow the exact facts to be honest but I think regarding the above bar Turner, Thorn, was behind most of it scouting wise. Bell and Baker are debated by people about whether they are good or bad. Most I believe are not happy with them. McDonald is still to be judged. 7 of those player are gone and 1 was not deemed financialy worth it (Carroll)
http://www.football.co.uk/coventry_city/ranson__carroll_could_have_been_coventry_s_rss1635350.shtml
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Just a question ........ did we have a network of scouts working under AT as head scout ? if so who spotted who ? not a dig at AT btw
Its one thing spotting quite another signing a player - and it isnt guaranteed some of the names mentioned would ever have chosen to come here. Press reports from Sunderland for example said they were never going to sell at that point
Its one thing spotting quite another signing a player - and it isnt guaranteed some of the names mentioned would ever have chosen to come here. Press reports from Sunderland for example said they were never going to sell at that point
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Nick
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Plus if Carroll was on loan at Preston surely they plucked him from Newcastle? The same as Nimely at Boro and Norwood at Scunthorpe?
I agree he pulled Gunnar out of nowhere, same with Deegan maybe which in my opinion are what good finds are. For me to say I have loads of money I am going to buy proven players, isn't decent scouting.
I agree he pulled Gunnar out of nowhere, same with Deegan maybe which in my opinion are what good finds are. For me to say I have loads of money I am going to buy proven players, isn't decent scouting.
mark82
Moderator
That was pretty much the point I was trying to make.
Exactamundo Nick.... anyone who thinks Thorn found all these gem's are deluded. The football business works with agents and managers touting players to clubs on loan. Its your finds faraway or lower leagues are what scouts should be used for. Like Gunnar, Deegan etc..
Bit like that McClean at Sunderland, i doubt his manager touted him but someone found a gem there.
Most loans are touted by managers or touts.
dongonzalos
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Click on the link and read the whole article Ranson definately gives the impression he had the otpion to buy Henderson
dongonzalos
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I dissagree where you watch a player is irrelevant. You watch them and decide if you think they can develop at your club. If he went to watch himat Preston and told Ranson he is worth signing the fact that he did not watch him in Newcastle reserves is irrelevant. You cannot watch every football match. You just have to make good reccomendations out of the matches you watch. You would be right if Thorn had seen him before at Newcastle said no, then Preston said yes he then played well at Preston and Thorn then changed his mind on that. He goes and watches matches and says if he sees a player worth going for who is in our budget. Where he watches that player and who spots him first is irrelevant. Thorn still has to watch him and make an assessment
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