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rexo87

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #141
Yep Reading joining Derby. Cov will be 12 points above relegation zone



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Mr Panda

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #142
Wonder if you're in Robin's situation right now with Derby and now Reading heading for deductions, you look down the table, potentially rule out relegation and think let's just fucking go for this now?
 
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torchomatic

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #143
At this rate we'll be in the play offs by default.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #144
no_loyalty said:
They also had to pay Keogh for unfair dismissal, £2M wasn’t it?
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2.3 million and people scoffed when i aid he'd win that case
 

slowpoke

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #145
David O'Day said:
2.3 million and people scoffed when i aid he'd win that case
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I was pleased for Keogh winning that case he was guilty of basically being pissed and incapable in the back of a car probably should have known better but how could Derby sack him and not the driver and just to rub salt in Derby’s wounds he’s back playing in the championship.
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #146
Ccfcisparks said:
Reading set for a 9 point deduction apparently
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Yup. This is the amazing line from the Guardian article - Reading’s reported £41m wage bill in 2018-19 equated to 194% of turnover

Reading in line for points deduction over breach of EFL financial rules

Reading are set to be deducted between six and nine points by the English Football League for breaching financial rules
www.theguardian.com
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #147
MusicDating said:
Yup. This is the amazing line from the Guardian article - Reading’s reported £41m wage bill in 2018-19 equated to 194% of turnover

Reading in line for points deduction over breach of EFL financial rules

Reading are set to be deducted between six and nine points by the English Football League for breaching financial rules
www.theguardian.com
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They've got a couple of decent players but it's just amazing how high it is, they haven't been in the top flight since 2013 and that was a single season
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #148
slowpoke said:
I was pleased for Keogh winning that case he was guilty of basically being pissed and incapable in the back of a car probably should have known better but how could Derby sack him and not the driver and just to rub salt in Derby’s wounds he’s back playing in the championship.
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That was the whole case.

The unequal treatment and punishment.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #149
Ccfcisparks said:
Reading set for a 9 point deduction apparently
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Just about to post similar. I think they have a much better chance of escaping from down the foot of the table, given the return of Ejaria. That could change quickly if Swift gets injured, though (as he has been prone to do)
 

Sky Blue Harry H

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #150
David O'Day said:
2.3 million and people scoffed when i aid he'd win that case
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I think I read on the Blackpool forum that Keogh's still owed it and would appear in the creditors list (who don't get the full whack, but 30 odd % of what is owed?)
 
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Stafford_SkBlue

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #151
MusicDating said:
Yup. This is the amazing line from the Guardian article - Reading’s reported £41m wage bill in 2018-19 equated to 194% of turnover
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Is that the year they signed McNulty?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #152
Sky Blue Harry H said:
I think I read on the Blackpool forum that Keogh's still owed it and would appear in the creditors list (who don't get the full whack, but 30 odd % of what is owed?)
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Would it count as a football debt though?
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #153
David O'Day said:
Would it count as a football debt though?
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Not sure - merely repeating something that was posted on a Blackpool forum - they may have been wrong, but had categorised the debt to him as being at a % level as a result of Derby's decision.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #154
Stafford_SkBlue said:
Is that the year they signed McNulty?
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Yes
 

Irish Sky Blue

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #155
Derby beat Wycombe 2-1 at Adams Park last season. Wycombe totally out played them. They scored a good goal which was wrongly disallowed for offside. That goal would have put them 1-0 up. Derby went straight down the other end and scored themselves. After Wycombe equalised Derby got the winner in injury time.
Firstly, any other result than a Derby win in this game and Wycombe would have stayed up at the end of the season.
Secondly, Wycombe played that game with players that they could according to EFL rules afford. Presumably a lot of the Derby team on the pitch that evening shouldn't have been there as by those same rules, they couldn't afford them.
Hard not to feel sympathy for Wycombe.
 
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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #156

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chiefdave

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #157
Why do Derby and now Reading get to negotiate their points deduction with the EFL? Have I just blocked it from my memory as I don't remember that being an option for us either time they took points off us.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #158
chiefdave said:
Why do Derby and now Reading get to negotiate their points deduction with the EFL? Have I just blocked it from my memory as I don't remember that being an option for us either time they took points off us.
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Well we negotiated the fact we weren’t playing in Coventry and had zero plan to resolve it
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #159
chiefdave said:
Why do Derby and now Reading get to negotiate their points deduction with the EFL? Have I just blocked it from my memory as I don't remember that being an option for us either time they took points off us.
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Admin is a set -12 but seems like breaches of FFP can be negotiated.

Guardian article says -
'Under EFL rules a formal disciplinary process is avoided if a club and the league agree on a punishment.'
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #160
Comment on the Reading forum suggests this may just be the start. Poster said Stoke may be another to get hit.
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #161
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #162
Happy_Martian said:
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Which means we are back to 11 points from relegation
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #163
Big opportunity for a group of pretty pants promoted teams.

Works out well for us though as a couple of them could be here and struggle next year when we might have some stronger teams from L1 back in the division.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #164
Liquid Gold said:
Big opportunity for a group of pretty pants promoted teams.

Works out well for us though as a couple of them could be here and struggle next year when we might have some stronger teams from L1 back in the division.
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Rather blackpool stay up ..always enjoy the trip
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #165
Liquid Gold said:
Big opportunity for a group of pretty pants promoted teams.

Works out well for us though as a couple of them could be here and struggle next year when we might have some stronger teams from L1 back in the division.
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Won't matter we'll be in the prem
 
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Frostie

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #166
chiefdave said:
Why do Derby and now Reading get to negotiate their points deduction with the EFL? Have I just blocked it from my memory as I don't remember that being an option for us either time they took points off us.
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Because otherwise it's down to an independent panel & subject to appeals etc. dragging it out further.
EFL give the club the option to accept what they deem is fair or go to the panel who could retain/increase/decrease penalty as they see fit.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2021
  • #167
Frostie said:
Because otherwise it's down to an independent panel & subject to appeals etc. dragging it out further.
EFL give the club the option to accept what they deem is fair or go to the panel who could retain/increase/decrease penalty as they see fit.
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The outcome of the panel should be either the club gets what it wants or automatically 12 points imho
 

Danceswithhorses

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2021
  • #168
Happy_Martian said:
Comment on the Reading forum suggests this may just be the start.
Poster said Stoke may be another to get hit.
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Surely though the Coates family, who own Stoke and Bet365, can just invest some capital there and clear any trifling financial problems ?
In 2020, Denise Coates, the chairman & daughter of the founder, received a combined payout of £466 million quid (salary £422m + dividends £45m) !
 
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Cranfield Sky Blue

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  • Sep 22, 2021
  • #169
Danceswithhorses said:
Surely though the Coates family, who own Stoke and Bet365, can just invest some capital there and clear any trifling financial problems ?
In 2020, Denise Coates, the chairman & daughter of the founder, received a combined payout of £466 million quid (salary £422m + dividends £45m) !
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She isn’t the daughter of the founder, she is the founder of Bet365. She employs her Dad and brothers to share the income. And they pay all their taxes, without trying to avoid it into offshore income etc etc.
 
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PUSB-We_are_going_up

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2021
  • #170
So when are the points deductions happening
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Sep 22, 2021
  • #171
PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
So when are the points deductions happening
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Derby admin one could be today by the sound of it.
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 22, 2021
  • #172
Cranfield Sky Blue said:
She isn’t the daughter of the founder, she is the founder of Bet365. She employs her Dad and brothers to share the income. And they pay all their taxes, without trying to avoid it into offshore income etc etc.
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They’ve put several millions into the club as well as loans at interest free which are only to be repaid if the club can afford it. The accounts state the directors will continue to invest in the club with new signings to enable a premier league return
 

Danceswithhorses

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2021
  • #173
Cranfield Sky Blue said:
She isn’t the daughter of the founder, she is the founder of Bet365. She employs her Dad and brothers to share the income. And they pay all their taxes, without trying to avoid it into offshore income etc etc.
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I stand corrected...seems the father owned the original bookies, which she took over and used as collateral to start up bet365.
The main point still stands though...surely they can wipe out Stoke's debts 10,000 times over, and it wouldn't even touch their vast fortune.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2021
  • #174
Danceswithhorses said:
I stand corrected...seems the father owned the original bookies, which she took over and used as collateral to start up bet365.
The main point still stands though...surely they can wipe out Stoke's debts 10,000 times over, and it wouldn't even touch their vast fortune.
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They have loaned £170 m all interest free and not being paid back and Denise Coates said they’ll back the manager with more funds if required
 

Alkhen

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2021
  • #175

Confirmed
 
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