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lifeskyblue

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #316
Skyblueweeman said:
I fancy them to still manage to pull off survival as well.
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Be very tough. Currently have managed 18points from 17 games but with deductions stand 18 points behind 4th bottom. Too tall an order I think …will need in the region of 50points from 29 games


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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #317
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Why would you do that? You can’t just apply a punishment when you fancy it. If Derby stayed up from the 12 points then you’d have a relegated side arguing it should have been applied this year

really it should have been applied with Sheff Wed, but you can’t retrospectively apply it due to the relegation implications from last season
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Because Derby are highly likely to be relegated this season is based on the current deduction, therefore a further one has no material impact
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #318
Skyblueweeman said:
I fancy them to still manage to pull off survival as well.
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Not a chance, they are 9 points adrift and haven't won in 7 games
 
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Danceswithhorses

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #319
Skyblueweeman said:
I fancy them to still manage to pull off survival as well.
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So far, they've only won 3 games all season !
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #320
Danceswithhorses said:
So another 9 points deducted with a further 3 suspended.
Pretty much relegated now...just hope their new owners don't spend a fortune to buy the league, and bounce straight back.

Derby County: Championship bottom club docked nine more points for accounting rule breaches

Derby County are docked nine points for breaching accounting rules, leaving them facing the prospect of Championship relegation.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Cheating bastards," 3 points suspended " what's that all about.
 

Danceswithhorses

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #321
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Cheating bastards," 3 points suspended " what's that all about.
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Further -3 points suspended based on them following an agreed budget plan for the rest of the season.
Bit of a joke really, as why would they overspend their budget for the rest of the season when they're practically relegated...meaningless 3 point 'suspension'
 
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OldBedrocker

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #322
I assume Shrek will be gone shortly then?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #323
OldBedrocker said:
I assume Shrek will be gone shortly then?
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Don’t think so, only if any new owners want someone else
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #324
3 responses telling me not a chance. I get it!

But they can pretty much play without pressure. I can see it happening.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #325
Skyblueweeman said:
3 responses telling me not a chance. I get it!

But they can pretty much play without pressure. I can see it happening.
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Sheff Weds were very close in the end too.
 
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Frostie

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #326
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Sheff Weds were very close in the end too.
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6pts deducted is a bit different to 21pts deducted.
 
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skyblue025

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #327
Eddie Howe kept Bournemouth up after being deducted 17 points. Leeds made the playoffs after being deducted 15 points so it can be done. I don't think Derby will though.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #328
fernandopartridge said:
Because Derby are highly likely to be relegated this season is based on the current deduction, therefore a further one has no material impact
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Highly likely yes, but many teams have stayed up, including ourselves with a 10 point deduction, didn’t Rotherham stay up with a similar deduction with Robins?

wigan nearly stayed up 2 seasons ago aswell.

how would that be fair on the likes of Hull and Peterborough.
 

Danceswithhorses

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  • Nov 17, 2021
  • #329
Watch the Derby fans go mental, now that Reading have only been deducted 6 points (with further 6 suspended)

Reading: Championship club deducted six points for breaking EFL financial rules

Championship side Reading are deducted six points by the English Football League for breaching financial rules.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Nov 20, 2021
  • #330
Derby Might try to move Tom Lawrence on in January on a free to get rid of his 37k a week wages, I wonder why they have financial difficulties
 
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Danceswithhorses

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  • Nov 20, 2021
  • #331
Holy shit...they owe alot of money...£29m to HMRC, £20m loan to MSD holdings, other football + trade creditors £15m

Derby County and connected firms owe £29m to HM Revenue and Customs

Derby County and the club's connected companies owe a combined £29.3m to HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC), according to figures released on Saturday.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

lord_garrincha

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  • Nov 20, 2021
  • #332
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Derby Might try to move Tom Lawrence on in January on a free to get rid of his 37k a week wages, I wonder why they have financial difficulties
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Interesting... Might start a thread on this to sign him in January
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2021
  • #333
Derby owe £83 million but the good news is agents are owed millions and are likely to see little of that.

This doesn’t include the £153 million owed to Morris.

What a shit storm
 
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Frostie

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  • Nov 22, 2021
  • #334
lord_garrincha said:
Interesting... Might start a thread on this to sign him in January
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You jest....

 
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Nick

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  • Nov 22, 2021
  • #335
Got to laugh at the irony of the moaning that we can't afford the wages that players are on at clubs that are literally fucked for that exact reason.
 
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SkyBlueMatt

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  • Nov 22, 2021
  • #336
Frostie said:
You jest....

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The state of that Twitter comment. Complaining we haven't got an ambitious budget like Derby which is the exact reason they are in this position. If we offered Tom Lawrence £30k+ a week, O'Hare, Hamer, Viktor would need to match them. All of a sudden our wage bill grows by 4.5 million PA (based on if those three are on 10k currently).
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 22, 2021
  • #337
He wants to pay 30k for a “back up to O’Hare” the first teamers wouldn’t want to match it, they’d want to double that
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Nov 22, 2021
  • #338
SkyBlueMatt said:
The state of that Twitter comment. Complaining we haven't got an ambitious budget like Derby which is the exact reason they are in this position. If we offered Tom Lawrence £30k+ a week, O'Hare, Hamer, Viktor would need to match them. All of a sudden our wage bill grows by 4.5 million PA (based on if those three are on 10k currently).
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If we paid that much to Lawrence we'd probably have to sell O'Hare, Hamer and Gyokeres.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 22, 2021
  • #339
Frostie said:
You jest....

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Yep please can we go out of business and have points dedications again. I really miss that
 
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SkyBlueMatt

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  • Nov 22, 2021
  • #340
Deleted member 9744 said:
If we paid that much to Lawrence we'd probably have to sell O'Hare, Hamer and Gyokeres.
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And Sky Blue Sam.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Nov 22, 2021
  • #341
I would imagine for the money Lawrence is getting we could bring in three players of the same ability if not better.
 
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steve cooper

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  • Nov 22, 2021
  • #342
It will be interesting to see what happens next year and the following year when many of these ridiculous contracts come to an end. Will the average Championship clubs continue paying sky high wages or will most of them have learned a lesson and start to live within their means? The trouble is that relegated clubs will continue to distort the market, and will have an even bigger advantage unless something is done about parachute payments.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 22, 2021
  • #343
steve cooper said:
It will be interesting to see what happens next year and the following year when many of these ridiculous contracts come to an end. Will the average Championship clubs continue paying sky high wages or will most of them have learned a lesson and start to live within their means? The trouble is that relegated clubs will continue to distort the market, and will have an even bigger advantage unless something is done about parachute payments.
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My money is on just going back to normal
 
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steve cooper

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  • Nov 22, 2021
  • #344
This season and last has seen 3 clubs deducted points for financial irregularities. There is also talk of other clubs being investigated. Now that Pandora's box has been opened this is going to be a much more common occurance if the EFL apply any consistency. Clubs gambling all on getting to the Premier League are likely to see themselves going into League 1 if things go wrong for them.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Nov 22, 2021
  • #345
steve cooper said:
This season and last has seen 3 clubs deducted points for financial irregularities. There is also talk of other clubs being investigated. Now that Pandora's box has been opened this is going to be a much more common occurance if the EFL apply any consistency. Clubs gambling all on getting to the Premier League are likely to see themselves going into League 1 if things go wrong for them.
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The efl and consistency that would be a first.
 
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stay_up_skyblues

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  • Nov 22, 2021
  • #346
Frostie said:
You jest....

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How do these people even tie their shoelaces
 
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MalcSB

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  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #347
There is talk about Derby being liquidated if their administrators can’t persuade HMRC to reduce their tax liability from £29 million to £7.5 million.
 

Danceswithhorses

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  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #348
MalcSB said:
There is talk about Derby being liquidated if their administrators can’t persuade HMRC to reduce their tax liability from £29 million to £7.5 million.
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Many football clubs treat paying HMRC with total disregard, often running up big PAYE debts.
HMRC eventually got fed up with clubs threatening them with going bust (and HMRC getting £0), and offering a pittance in settlement, so i totally get why HMRC don't seem to want to 'settle' any more.
If HMRC do eventually 'settle' this by reducing the debt, it just gives other football clubs, the green light to screw over HMRC (and therefore taxpayers), which would be a very bad precedent....they should hold there ground, and i bet the money will be found by the new buyers.
 
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steve cooper

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  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #349
I believe on liquidation HMRC are classed as unsecured creditors and are way down the list of who gets paid. Hence I suppose why they tend to accept less as opposed to nothing.
 

Danceswithhorses

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #350
steve cooper said:
I believe on liquidation HMRC are classed as unsecured creditors and are way down the list of who gets paid. Hence I suppose why they tend to accept less as opposed to nothing.
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Yes, the 'football creditors rule' means football debts are given priority.
It has been around a while now, despite HMRC challenging it in court and losing the case.
I just don't like how clubs take the piss & seek to improve their cashflows, by not paying over sizeable PAYE debts.
 
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