Coventry City will die if we stay at the Ricoh - Fisher (1 Viewer)

olderskyblue · Dec 20, 2016

oldskyblue58 said:
But Ccfc and Sisu have to deal with what is. To make Ccfc as attractive as possible. For them to not source the potential for other income damages the team, the brand, and the investment. It lowers not raises the perception of the club, breaks links with fans, especially the business community

Some of those links with the business community have already been broken. People who were in the premier seats (not ran by SISU at the time) had paid up front for their seats (think it was £1,000?) plus the annual season ticket cost after that. That all went after the move to Sixfields. I understand SISU now look after this, and had presentations ages ago to all the people who were in that "club", and promised a solution to them, so as they didn't all see it as money wasted.

To date they have had no response.

Not a good way to interact with the business community. (* I guess not all of the premier club members were businessmen, but a high percentage I imagine)

Sky Blue Kid · Dec 20, 2016

oldskyblue58 said:
having a 23 day per year agreement at the stadium does not exclude or prevent putting on other events at the Ricoh or another venue............ the refusal/reluctance/inability to spend hard cash does.

Given they have reduced turnover by their own decisions (franchise of shop & programmes) then the club are it seems are happy that maximising the turnover figure is not the absolute key.

By reading what you say OSB58. It shows SISU have no thought for the Club or its fans in the least. CCFC are a means to an end.

Captain Dart · Dec 20, 2016

olderskyblue said:
Some of those links with the business community have already been broken. People who were in the premier seats (not ran by SISU at the time) had paid up front for their seats (think it was £1,000?) plus the annual season ticket cost after that. That all went after the move to Sixfields. I understand SISU now look after this, and had presentations ages ago to all the people who were in that "club", and promised a solution to them, so as they didn't all see it as money wasted.

To date they have had no response.

Not a good way to interact with the business community. (* I guess not all of the premier club members were businessmen, but a high percentage I imagine)

Some of them went off and formed Coventry Utd, I wouldn't know if they ever attend CCFC any more.

Grendel · Dec 20, 2016

Captain Dart said:
Some of them went off and formed Coventry Utd, I wouldn't know if they ever attend CCFC any more.

We know you don't and in all probability never did

georgehudson · Dec 20, 2016

TF, imho, is suffering from a distorted form of schizophrenia,
I'd imagine he'd have some bizarre conversations with himself.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Dec 20, 2016

stupot07 said:
Staying at the Ricoh on a 23-26 day per annum rental deal puts a glass ceiling firmly above us. Saying we will die staying there is as extreme as peole saying we are currently dead under sisu. We're stuck there for the short-to-medium term (5-10 years or so) but our long term future now rest away from tbr Ricoh.

Its good to see thr club trying to increase revenues by working with CRFC, but in the long term we really need to own or wholly leasehold our own stadium to move forward both in terms attracting a decent owner, increasing revenue, and for our identity as wasps inevitably continue to rebrand the Ricoh

But, is the club really trying to 'increase revenues by working with CRFC'? I would suggest that it's CRFC who's working to increase revenues at the BPA to the betterment of CRFC. They see a distance opening up between the top couple of leagues of English rugby and the balance and they want to be in that upper strata and are creating revenues capable of achieving that.

What I see if Fisher trying to piggy-back onto someone else's endeavour and vision. I just don't see what CCFC bring to the BPA proposition. Match-day ticket revenue; yes, but if Fisher wants a share of non-matchday revenue in return for playing there - and bearing in mind the 'baggage' that comes with any Fisher interaction, it's simply a non-starter.

The issue also being that if Fisher ever does get round to building the My Little Pony Stadium for the football club; by the time it's done, both the Ricoh and the BPA will be jostling for non-matchday revenues such as conferencing, exhibitions and hotels, and with the NEC up the road too, is there really - now - the demand for a further proposition?

tisza · Dec 20, 2016

Surprisingly Grendel isn't definitely wrong on this 750k.
I heard it from an insider from when CA was still here trying to talk about rental deals before talks were called off supposedly because of the court actions etc. Did hear it was for short-term deal and could be a smaller figure for a longer term deal.

Grendel · Dec 20, 2016

tisza said:
Surprisingly Grendel isn't definitely wrong on this 750k.
I heard it from an insider from when CA was still here trying to talk about rental deals before talks were called off supposedly because of the court actions etc. Did hear it was for short-term deal and could be a smaller figure for a longer term deal.

This is where wires may get crossed as my understanding was it was for the first two years of a longer deal

Either way let's see what vitriol Cloughie, gosford and council dart aim at you,

Very little is my guess. It looks bad on wasps so I think they'll keep their heads down.

chiefdave · Dec 20, 2016

oldskyblue58 said:
having a 23 day per year agreement at the stadium does not exclude or prevent putting on other events at the Ricoh or another venue............ the refusal/reluctance/inability to spend hard cash does.

Equally the ability to have successful events is also down to the terms the owners are willing to let the club have the venue under. We have seen with things like hospitality how the club get taken for every penny whenever there is an opportunity.

cloughie · Dec 20, 2016

Grendel said:
This is where wires may get crossed as my understanding was it was for the first two years of a longer deal

Either way let's see what vitriol Cloughie, gosford and council dart aim at you,

Very little is my guess. It looks bad on wasps so I think they'll keep their heads down.

Why would I be worried about things looking bad for wasps, I have no interest in rugby or wasps.
Yet again you make things up it just flows out your mouth

georgehudson · Dec 20, 2016

There are a few of the K.A.K.F.A brigade about.

Sky Blue Kid · Dec 20, 2016

cloughie said:
Why would I be worried about things looking bad for wasps, I have no interest in rugby or wasps.
Yet again you make things up it just flows out your mouth

It's called verbal Diarrhoea.

Grendel · Dec 20, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
It's called verbal Diarrhoea.

Which you have a PHD in

Grendel · Dec 20, 2016

cloughie said:
Why would I be worried about things looking bad for wasps, I have no interest in rugby or wasps.
Yet again you make things up it just flows out your mouth

I thought you might apologise as you seem to dismiss my suggestion with a plethora of insults.

Sky Blue Kid · Dec 20, 2016

Grendel said:
Which you have a PHD in

Correct Grenduffy... Perpetual Hatred of Dickheads.... Topping the list, Grenduffy BA "Bullshitting Arsehole"(Honours)

Sky Blue Kid · Dec 20, 2016

Grendel said:
I thought you might apologise as you seem to dismiss my suggestion with a plethora of insults.

Well.... You can spell it, but can't actually do it eh?

Calista · Dec 20, 2016

oldskyblue58 said:
They are in a rut with their thinking.... inflexible because of the arrogance of my way or no way

Wonderfully well put - this explains their whole disastrous tenure, which has wrecked every relationship and ruined our club.

oldskyblue58 · Dec 20, 2016

chiefdave said:
Equally the ability to have successful events is also down to the terms the owners are willing to let the club have the venue under. We have seen with things like hospitality how the club get taken for every penny whenever there is an opportunity.

It is but for the last few years how would they know. It doesn't have to at the ricoh or on the basis offered there. They have done less and less each year because of the cost cutting. Can anyone honestly say Ccfc have a vibrant, really active innovative commercial department.? - or is the opposite more accurate?

It's not like a football club wouldn't milk its customers for every penny they can now is it. Why would they expect others wouldn't match their attitude? Build relationships prove worth and symbiotic value.

For the size of non football event Ccfc could put on I would think there are a number alternative venues they could use so keeping cost competitive.

Some of the problem with hospitality at the ricoh is that the club doesn't sell enough covers to pay the base costs..... but then how well do they market it.

They have to start being creative, it strengthens their hand a little by not doing it at the stadium, building alternatives, building other relationships, building interest that they can take to any stadium as a bargaining point

Or they can maintain being the victim and blame everyone else's fault not their own inertia.

We don't have a stadium it doesn't mean we can't generate income

chiefdave · Dec 20, 2016

But if you're being milked for every penny to the point its virtually impossible to turn a profit whats the point? The hospitality is a prime example. Make the club pay practically retail price and pay for all covers required or not. Would be very surprised if there's not numerous matches this season where we actually lose money by offering hospitality.

'Put on events' gets thrown around as if its a guaranteed money maker. Its an incredibly tough competitive business where 1 underperforming event can wipe out numerous successful events. You tip the balance a bit the other way when you get F&B, get hire costs for events other put on etc.

cloughie · Dec 20, 2016

Grendel said:
I thought you might apologise as you seem to dismiss my suggestion with a plethora of insults.

please point out my plethora of insults at your suggestion. I am interested to see where the insults are

Astute · Dec 20, 2016

Grendel said:
Odd how some people react to things when their own interests are challenged,

Also I said they would lose the JR - Ho hum.

You said they would lose the JR on purpose :wacky:

ccfcway · Dec 20, 2016

chiefdave said:
1 underperforming event can wipe out numerous successful events. .

we have been underperfoming for years, thats the problem

Grendel · Dec 20, 2016

Astute said:
You said they would lose the JR on purpose :wacky:

No I didn't - I said that they would take a legal action as an action of entrenchment even though they knew they would lose.

cloughie · Dec 20, 2016

cloughie said:
please point out my plethora of insults at your suggestion. I am interested to see where the insults are

I am still awaiting your response.........or was you just adding to your plethora of made up stuff

skybluetony176 · Dec 20, 2016

Grendel said:
No I didn't - I said that they would take a legal action as an action of entrenchment even though they knew they would lose.

Unfortunately more than one person remembered what you said. You may well have said the above but you did also claim that they lost on purpose. You also claimed that they should win but they won't although you never went on to say why regardless of how much I pushed you at the time.

The Reverend Skyblue · Dec 20, 2016

Coventry City will die if I stay at the Club - Fisher

Thought I would edit the title correctly for you Timothy

Grendel · Dec 20, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
Unfortunately more than one person remembered what you said. You may well have said the above but you did also claim that they lost on purpose. You also claimed that they should win but they won't although you never went on to say why regardless of how much I pushed you at the time.

No that's not true - find a link and prove it Tony

Grendel · Dec 20, 2016

cloughie said:
I am still awaiting your response.........or was you just adding to your plethora of made up stuff

"Warped mind" "slagger off" "you are pathetic" to name but a few.

You are actually even more obsessed with me than Tony. Even he wouldn't have indulged in some pathetic rant when I once said I wore contact lenses

The Reverend Skyblue · Dec 20, 2016

Today has been something special regarding arguments on here.
I will always remember today very much, like my or my kids birthdays as today I totally agreed with SKy Blue Kid.
Come on people it's Christmas we can all do it

Otis · Dec 20, 2016

The Reverend Skyblue said:
Today has been something special regarding arguments on here.
I will always remember today very much, like my or my kids birthdays as today I totally agreed with SKy Blue Kid.
Come on people it's Christmas we can all do it

Bah, humbug!!!

You can stick your Santa-ery jolity up your reindeer's ring piece you Brussel sprouted idiot.

stupot07 · Dec 20, 2016

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
But, is the club really trying to 'increase revenues by working with CRFC'? I would suggest that it's CRFC who's working to increase revenues at the BPA to the betterment of CRFC. They see a distance opening up between the top couple of leagues of English rugby and the balance and they want to be in that upper strata and are creating revenues capable of achieving that.

What I see if Fisher trying to piggy-back onto someone else's endeavour and vision. I just don't see what CCFC bring to the BPA proposition. Match-day ticket revenue; yes, but if Fisher wants a share of non-matchday revenue in return for playing there - and bearing in mind the 'baggage' that comes with any Fisher interaction, it's simply a non-starter.

The issue also being that if Fisher ever does get round to building the My Little Pony Stadium for the football club; by the time it's done, both the Ricoh and the BPA will be jostling for non-matchday revenues such as conferencing, exhibitions and hotels, and with the NEC up the road too, is there really - now - the demand for a further proposition?

I wasn't talking about a new stadium/BPA, i was talking about the events that CCFC and CRFC have been exploring putting on jointly outside of that (IIRC they may have already done some). Surely that is good news that the club are trying to do something and working in partnership with CRFC? Again absolutely nothing to do with BPA/new stadium.

But hey ho, at least you got a couple of 'likes'

cloughie · Dec 20, 2016

Grendel said:
"Warped mind" "slagger off" "you are pathetic" to name but a few.

You are actually even more obsessed with me than Tony. Even he wouldn't have indulged in some pathetic rant when I once said I wore contact lenses

Insults ah so you don't understand the difference between, observation 'warped mind'. opinion ' pathetic' or statement of fact 'slagger off'

skybluetony176 · Dec 20, 2016

Grendel said:
No that's not true - find a link and prove it Tony

No. You know you said it, I know you said it and so do enough other posters. There's no point and there's no need.

Grendel · Dec 20, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
No. You know you said it, I know you said it and so do enough other posters. There's no point and there's no need.

I'm sure the three wise men - Obtuse, council Fart and SBK will be those posters who agree.

Astute · Dec 20, 2016

Grendel said:
No I didn't - I said that they would take a legal action as an action of entrenchment even though they knew they would lose.

Bollocks. Lots remember you saying it. I certainly do.

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