SkyblueBazza
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'We' have no say in terms of outcome on it...so 'we' will not be party to any full details on anything in order to assess things. All 'we' have is a say on the impact of the outcomes reached
...onwards & upwards PUSB
A new stadium may be the answer but we need details to make sure we are not just jumping from one problem to another.
So where did you get 750,000 from first I've heard of it are you just making figures up to get your point across?
He truly shot shot himself in the foot. He had a chance to come out and at least sympathise or show some sort of understanding of the fans feelings.For me when he had the arrogance to blame the fans the other night any sympathy I had for him went out the window.
It was his worst and final mistake, you simply can't get lower than blaming his own and SISU's problems on the last 7000 fans still attending who have stayed loyal to the last
So suddenly your in the know £750,000...................yet you are the biggest slagger off of anyone else who may offer 'inside info'Short term isn't an issue.
What has been suggested to me is that talks collapsed because the club wanted a short term extension but wasps a far longer deal. The rental offer was circa £750k and some bizarre re-negotiation opportunity after two years. No break clause either.
It's believable as wasps hold all the aces and can do what they want. Andersonville brief was to secure an arrangement and they was not achievable.
Long term commitment on such terms would put new owners off quicker than a few pitch invaders.
Short term, the Ricoh is the only answer. There is nothing else.We need to stay at the Ricoh. We can all see that really. People who want to to move are the ones who are so pissed off with wasps they can't see the wood for the trees.
We rent a massive stadium with great facilities. We need to own it and it was for us of course but the last ten years haven't allowed it for various reasons. Now either building a new stadium circa 30m or redeveloping butts about the same and both with lower capacity just resigns us to league 1-2 football. Not to mention a burden of debt.
Either option therefore isn't great either renting or new stadium which is why it's such a mess. There is no answer. Short term always. Hence 2 year rent deals. No one knows what to do or haven't got the dosh.
Or we can tell them what we will accept and what we wont.'We' have no say in terms of outcome on it...so 'we' will not be party to any full details on anything in order to assess things. All 'we' have is a say on the impact of the outcomes reached
...onwards & upwards PUSB
Short term, the Ricoh is the only answer. There is nothing else.
Only other option is a groundshare outside of the City and we all know that will once again just alienate fans even further and attendances will drop like a stone.
Long term? Well, the problem is very clearly Sisu there. There is perpetual talk of needing a new stadium, but it has always been just hot air. Not a single movement on that front in all these years. Not a site secure, not a single brick laid.
We can keep saying we need a new stadium until we are blue in the face, but we just know it is never going to happen under Sisu.
The only way we are going to get a new stadium is with new owners.
Coventry City will die with Sisu in charge.
Disagree. TF is too pig-headed to begin considering what we think. Sure he will listen, but doubt it will hold much influence over him. He has been 'weeding-out' the die-hard fans for ages now...he knows that as long as it is within fair reach of the city...any cheap n cheerful (for SISU) stadium will do for the 5-6k he whittles it down to by the time the Ricoh deal runs outOr we can tell them what we will accept and what we wont.
Should be done during the market research.
After all no point having a stadium nobody will go to.
Northampton shows how Sisu/TF predictions were totally wrong.
Strangely there is a tacit admission by fisher that incomes can be generated away from the ricoh in the joint venture on events etc at BPA. Why has it taken so long for this realisation and how can such things be expanded upon ?
I think what started as let's starve ACL of income to aide their demise it won't take long ...... led to resource and people at the club being lost, relationships and goodwill being lost..... which led to an inability to exploit opportunities..... and as costs were cut against falling income it became harder to kick start what the club could really use- additional income.
Now they are looking to add things at a much lower scale with this non match day joint venture suggested at BPA.
The drive to breakeven has been based on slashing costs with no real regard as to how that might affect income. Many incomes at a football club fall way if the club is not prepared to invest in supporting them .It is possible to drive incomes and breakeven at higher levels of turnover. It has as usual however been based on the short term..... and cutting cost..
It has always been possible to put on or develop other incomes at or away from the stadium. Far easier to complain its ours by right and its unfair we are not given those income sources - suits a picture painted though
He truly shot shot himself in the foot. He had a chance to come out and at least sympathise or show some sort of understanding of the fans feelings.
He could have tried to offer an olive branch or shown reasoning, but instead came out and tried to blame the fans for the club's demise and also, laughingly, for driving potential investors away.
He came away from those interviews surely with more people disliking him even more than before.
He is supposed to be the bridge between the owners and the fans and at a time when he should have offered up hope, he offered none. Just another soundbite about talking to people re a new stadium.
This must be the 7th or 8th site!! He's either finding secret, hidden available locations us fans simply cannot find on Google, or he is talking to other clubs about groundshares.
I think after his two radio interactions the majority of fans fear for this club more than ever.
The problem though is if new owners were looking at a football club they would want an easy in house solution and they would not want to purchase a club with terms agreed with another management company
Short term isn't an issue.
What has been suggested to me is that talks collapsed because the club wanted a short term extension but wasps a far longer deal. The rental offer was circa £750k and some bizarre re-negotiation opportunity after two years. No break clause either.
It's believable as wasps hold all the aces and can do what they want. Andersonville brief was to secure an arrangement and they was not achievable.
Long term commitment on such terms would put new owners off quicker than a few pitch invaders.
I do!!Fisher on talk sport and CWR has disengaged me further from the club. The man is full of contradictions, is clueless about building empathy and rapport with the fans. He has no plan or vision.
I think I hate him more than SISU.
How are you party to the figure of £750k ?
You are either making this up or an insider at the owners, both are probable but I will go with the former.
This is coming from someone that screams "wheres the proof" at almost anything,
Reprehensible twat.
How are you party to the figure of £750k ?
You are either making this up or an insider at the owners, both are probable but I will go with the former.
This is coming from someone that screams "wheres the proof" at almost anything,
Reprehensible twat.
Haven't you heard? He's got insiders now. Just like the ones that told him all the juicy details about the council that meant they would definitely 100% lose the JR. You know, he ones he wouldn't name specifically and kept putting in cryptic answers like "you'll find out" and turned out to be absolute bollocks.
He's making it up. He makes everything up. His track record is about as good as SBKs, just with an unearned tone superiority. The guy spends more time on here than Nick, you think he's got time to meet insiders?
I think you need to look into the differences carefully to decide if this is good or bad, I'm guessing Walsall have greater outgoings but significantly higher income from hospitality & parking. It might be worth spending a few hours to find out.Staying at the Ricoh on a 23-26 day per annum rental deal puts a glass ceiling firmly above us. Saying we will die staying there is as extreme as peole saying we are currently dead under sisu. We're stuck there for the short-to-medium term (5-10 years or so) but our long term future now rest away from tbr Ricoh.
Its good to see thr club trying to increase revenues by working with CRFC, but in the long term we really need to own or wholly leasehold our own stadium to move forward both in terms attracting a decent owner, increasing revenue, and for our identity as wasps inevitably continue to rebrand the Ricoh.
I find it interesting that by renting the stadium 365 day per annum and having access to all revenue streams, walsalls turnover was about 40% higher than ours in the last set of accounts despite having 50% less attendance's. Let's hope the work with CRFC can start to bridge that gap.
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I think you need to look into the differences carefully to decide if this is good or bad, I'm guessing Walsall have greater outgoings but significantly higher income from hospitality & parking. It might be worth spending a few hours to find out.
Also I said they would lose the JR - Ho hum.
I think you need to look into the differences carefully to decide if this is good or bad, I'm guessing Walsall have greater outgoings but significantly higher income from hospitality & parking. It might be worth spending a few hours to find out.
Yeah probably is worth a bit mkre exploration, that said, IIRC they have made a profit for 10 of the last 11 years though so must be doing something right.I think you need to look into the differences carefully to decide if this is good or bad, I'm guessing Walsall have greater outgoings but significantly higher income from hospitality & parking. It might be worth spending a few hours to find out.
Listen. I make mistakes and put my hands up when wrong. Don't fucking dare put me in the same category as that shit!Haven't you heard? He's got insiders now. Just like the ones that told him all the juicy details about the council that meant they would definitely 100% lose the JR. You know, he ones he wouldn't name specifically and kept putting in cryptic answers like "you'll find out" and turned out to be absolute bollocks.
He's making it up. He makes everything up. His track record is about as good as SBKs, just with an unearned tone superiority. The guy spends more time on here than Nick, you think he's got time to meet insiders?
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