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Match Thread Coventry City - Swansea City Match Thread - Friday 29th Dec (1 Viewer)

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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #876
theferret said:
That header at the end, Thomas? What was he doing?

Ah well, one of those. Frustrating as I can't see us taking much from the next two, but no need to overreact. We move on.
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Tried to lay off the header rather than just launching it Some poor decision making by a few players in our final third all game. Missed Kitchings leadership. Saying that deserved the three points. Let’s hope we can nick something at boro to keep things rolling
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #877
steve101 said:
Thought Thomas was excellent but made a poor header downwards and in field - just clear it. Sheaf was excellent but was partly at fault for first goal when he could have cleared and then needless freekick conceded.
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Evo1883 said:
It's not is it Pete
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Just watched the goal back, he’s stretching to cut the pass out that’s behind him, I’m not sure trusting your CM partner with the ball is the unforgivable crime people are making out even if he could have done better. The fuck up was Allen’s. Robins clearly doesn’t want us to “clear it to row Z” as someone said.

Free kick was right in front of me and looked a dive TBH, but again Collins has to take the blame.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #878
Evo1883 said:
It's not is it Pete
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Absolutely is Allen completely at fault for first
Sheaf may have given free kick away but he was fabulous all game
Looking for ways to demean our captain is utterly bizarre
Collins should have covered that side far more at fault than sheaf if Cullen hits the top right yoh applaud if he hits low to your side you save it

good free kick though
Should have been out of sight and could have brought Bidwell and eccles on to slow everything down during added time
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #879
Evo1883 said:
Had it been Eccles then we'd see different arguments put across tonight
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Yeah people wouldn’t have been ignoring glaring errors from other players to have a go for a start.
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #880
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Perhaps Evo, but both players do seem out of sorts beyond some issue with the tactics.
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Godden is out of form but let's look at Simms his best performance arguably at Leeds.. saka and wright playing off him but even then we rarely get the ball to their feet inside the box , it's almost like we're asking the central strikers to either create for themselves or feed of scraps
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #881
Tommo1993 said:
The blatant oversight of Sheaf’s constant errors is mental. If I can concede that we probably need to move on from Godden, surely others can accept that Sheaf is way off perfect.
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What errors tonight??
he was fabulous
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #882
mark82 said:
Keep this team together next year we have a very good chance of going up automatically (if we don't scrape playoffs this year). Ipswich are no better than we are.
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Doubt it, we’ll just get more teams coming down with parachute payments who will walk the league again next year. Even Ipswich are getting caught now.
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #883
shmmeee said:
Yeah people wouldn’t have been ignoring glaring errors from other players to have a go for a start.
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I think several players have been thoroughly criticised tonight , the problem usually occurs when people criticise sheaf
 

Astute

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #884
Brighton Sky Blue said:
First goal was really poor from a number of players.
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2nd goal was between the ref and lack of organisation of the defence. Said to my little boy it was going to be a goal. You could see the big gap left. A keeper should set the wall to cover half the goal and protect the other half. Half the goal was covered but Collins was left unsighted. The 2nd goal was a mix of the ref getting it wrong then not setting the defence up correctly. I like to set my defence up with an extra defender to one side. Then I make sure I can see the other half. Curl it around my extra defender or dip it over my.wall and you score. But even the top players don't find it easy.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #885
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Doubt it, we’ll just get more teams coming down with parachute payments who will walk the league again next year. Even Ipswich are getting caught now.
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We could probably do with the relegated clubs having a clean sweep.
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #886
People are very quick to defend Sheaf (who I thought was very good tonight tbh) but don’t extend the same courtesy to other players.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #887
shmmeee said:
Just watched the goal back, he’s stretching to cut the pass out that’s behind him, I’m not sure trusting your CM partner with the ball is the unforgivable crime people are making out even if he could have done better. The fuck up was Allen’s. Robins clearly doesn’t want us to “clear it to row Z” as someone said.

Free kick was right in front of me and looked a dive TBH, but again Collins has to take the blame.
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Not Thomas for heading inside or sheaf for touching the player to give the ref a decision in the 93rd ?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #888
Evo1883 said:
I think several players have been thoroughly criticised tonight , the problem usually occurs when people criticise sheaf
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Criticise him for what he does wrong, you can’t blame him for either goal today and if you can it’s along with several others who get let off. It’s like the other season when people blamed a goal on him because he gave the ball away about fifteen passes from our goal.
 
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tommy hutch legend

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #889
Thought sheaf had a good 20 minutes second half after Allen went off but overall
He was very sloppy
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #890
Evo1883 said:
Not Thomas for heading inside or sheaf for touching the player to give the ref a decision in the 93rd ?
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No. That free kick was eminently saveable. A FK on the edge of the box isn’t a pen. The xG was 0.16 FFS.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #891
shmmeee said:
Criticise him for what he does wrong, you can’t blame him for either goal today and if you can it’s along with several others who get let off. It’s like the other season when people blamed a goal on him because he gave the ball away about fifteen passes from our goal.
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He literally gave away the free kick we conceded on the edge of the area .. it's mental to suggest he played no part in their goal
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #892
shmmeee said:
Criticise him for what he does wrong, you can’t blame him for either goal today and if you can it’s along with several others who get let off. It’s like the other season when people blamed a goal on him because he gave the ball away about fifteen passes from our goal.
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From my perspective it was a really clumsy and daft challenge to make in that position on 93 minutes.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #893
shmmeee said:
Just watched the goal back, he’s stretching to cut the pass out that’s behind him, I’m not sure trusting your CM partner with the ball is the unforgivable crime people are making out even if he could have done better. The fuck up was Allen’s. Robins clearly doesn’t want us to “clear it to row Z” as someone said.

Free kick was right in front of me and looked a dive TBH, but again Collins has to take the blame.
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Yeah I’m not having that the first goal is on anyone but Allen. Yes, Sheaf’s ‘pass’ (if you can call it that) isn’t quite to feet but Allen has enough time to stretch for it, bring it back towards him, then just freeze.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #894
Brighton Sky Blue said:
From my perspective it was a really clumsy and daft challenge to make in that position on 93 minutes.
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I'd imagine Robins will be very unhappy sheaf has given the ref a decision to make .. more unhappy than SBT for sure
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #895
Brighton Sky Blue said:
From my perspective it was a really clumsy and daft challenge to make in that position on 93 minutes.
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I’ll have to see it again but I was about fifteen yards from it and it looked a dive to me.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #896
shmmeee said:
Criticise him for what he does wrong, you can’t blame him for either goal today and if you can it’s along with several others who get let off. It’s like the other season when people blamed a goal on him because he gave the ball away about fifteen passes from our goal.
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Thought Allen was culpable for the first goal, watched it back, Sheaf has some responsibility, though Allen must shoulder most the blame.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #897
Evo1883 said:
I'd imagine Robins will be very unhappy sheaf has given the ref a decision to make .. more unhappy than SBT for sure
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Should have put the game to bed well before then anyway. Really poor opposition allowed off the hook, can’t say the favour is returned much
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #898
shmmeee said:
I’ll have to see it again but I was about fifteen yards from it and it looked a dive to me.
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Further away than you but I thought it was a foul
 

MalcSB

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #899
stupot07 said:
It was as much a freekick as Goddens was a penalty against Fulham.

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Just part of the acceptable 15% error rate.
 

Chris1987

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #900
Shit happens. Ultimately 2 bad decisions from Sheaf who otherwise had a good game have cost us. Simple errors need to be eradicated. Da Silva is not good enough to be LB in a back 4 , that is patently obvious. The pluses were Haji & Thomas who were very good as was Palmer. Time for Godden to move on .
 
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Astute

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #901
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Doubt it, we’ll just get more teams coming down with parachute payments who will walk the league again next year. Even Ipswich are getting caught now.
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I said ages ago that Ipswich would be caught. Their big advantage was having a squad that knew each other. Now other sides are up to speed they will overtake them. But whatever happens they will have had a great season.
 

Terry_dactyl

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #902
Not read anything else on here.
The Jacks got lucky. As my mate said, “there’s no way we did not deserve to win that game”.

It happens.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #903
clint van damme said:
Thought Allen was culpable for the first goal, watched it back, Sheaf has some responsibility, though Allen must shoulder most the blame.
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I can only assume people wanted Sheaf not to try and intercept the ball? Allen did what he always does and dawdled and showed no strength. He’s not a CM as long as I’ve got a hole in my arse and was generally dreadful tonight but the discourse is about Sheaf. Who generally played well, scoring as one of our highest players, making twice as many key passes as anyone else on the team with the highest passing accuracy rate. But no he should have toepoked it into row Z or let a player run through out defence instead of challenging him or something.

It’s the same people every time.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #904
shmmeee said:
I can only assume people wanted Sheaf not to try and intercept the ball? Allen did what he always does and dawdled and showed no strength. He’s not a CM as long as I’ve got a hole in my arse and was generally dreadful tonight but the discourse is about Sheaf. Who generally played well, scoring as one of our highest players, making twice as many key passes as anyone else on the team with the highest passing accuracy rate. But no he should have toepoked it into row Z or let a player run through out defence instead of challenging him or something.

It’s the same people every time.
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It isn’t. You are to Allen what ESB is to Sheaf
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #905
shmmeee said:
No. That free kick was eminently saveable. A FK on the edge of the box isn’t a pen. The xG was 0.16 FFS.
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But my xG was nearer 95%.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #906
Evo1883 said:
Godden is out of form but let's look at Simms his best performance arguably at Leeds.. saka and wright playing off him but even then we rarely get the ball to their feet inside the box , it's almost like we're asking the central strikers to either create for themselves or feed of scraps
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We don't create chances down the middle at all which is why both Godden and Simms don't look great. It's no surprise Wright suddenly looks like twice the player when playing down the left. Today's result, like 4-5 times this season, is that we couldn't maintain control in midfield and we're still missing that Hamer archetype. Specifically, someone who can start counter attacks with direct passes from deep. Likewise, it's games like this that show why we moved to 4-2-3-1 in the first place - more bodies in midfield.

We conceded both goals today because we didn't clear our lines effectively. The first goal Allen was trying to be too cute when he wasn't in control of the ball and the 2nd was period of 2-3m. Overall, what frustrated me was that we seemed to play like we were 2 goals ahead and a bit too complacent.

We clearly are good enough to be in the playoffs because we've threw away a good 8 points from late goals conceded.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #907
shmmeee said:
I can only assume people wanted Sheaf not to try and intercept the ball? Allen did what he always does and dawdled and showed no strength. He’s not a CM as long as I’ve got a hole in my arse and was generally dreadful tonight but the discourse is about Sheaf. Who generally played well, scoring as one of our highest players, making twice as many key passes as anyone else on the team with the highest passing accuracy rate. But no he should have toepoked it into row Z or let a player run through out defence instead of challenging him or something.

It’s the same people every time.
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Well sure allen was shite , I called it at half time .. but why is it hard for fans to accept that playing an off centre ball 4 yards to a central midfielder inside the box is a shitty thing to do ?? Had allen played the same pass you'd be wetting yourself
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #908
Sky Blue Pete said:
What errors tonight??
he was fabulous
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To completely absolve him from blame for the first goal is madness.
 
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Astute

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #909
tommy hutch legend said:
Thought sheaf had a good 20 minutes second half after Allen went off but overall
He was very sloppy
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Did you watch the same game as me?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #910
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It isn’t. You are to Allen what ESB is to Sheaf
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He was garbage tonight and was replaced by a right back rather than bringing Eccles on. But sure.

Allen is a decent AM, he’s a fucking woeful DM and always has been. How he’s not getting the blame for the first says it all.
 
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