Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It didn't change hands, the police were just uninterested and didn't bother chasing them down properly. They were given 24hours to get their story together, a month after the incident.
The whole thing was a joke.
Do you know how often a number plate can change hands in one day? Just saying as have some knowledge of selling cars? Not always as easy as it seems. How long does it take to get a story together?
Self defence is a defence built on shifting sands. Forget reality of life and emotion you have to account for every punch and action. The threshold for defence and aggressor are fine. Then affray is a great catch all.
It didn't change hands, the police were just uninterested and didn't bother chasing them down properly. They were given 24hours to get their story together, a month after the incident.
The whole thing was a joke.
Nick said:I got crashed into once by a moto-x bike at night, no lights, no helmets, no insurance, no tax, no licence. I managed to give one of them a bit of a slap and the police came etc.
I got 2 calls, one was off the record about giving him a slap, the other one was that it was reported I had stolen their bike and did I know where it was.
I then got a letter saying they couldn't prove who it was on the bike so there would be no further action.
1. I'd named them because they were known rats
2. They reported getting a slap
3. They said I took their bike
Same sort of thing, just not arsed.
Charlie Bronson is finally out of prison and living on the Isle Of Wight !I just stand up for myself Malaka! :emoji_grin:
It didn't change hands, the police were just uninterested and didn't bother chasing them down properly. They were given 24hours to get their story together, a month after the incident.
The whole thing was a joke.
I got crashed into once by a moto-x bike at night, no lights, no helmets, no insurance, no tax, no licence. I managed to give one of them a bit of a slap and the police came etc.
I got 2 calls, one was off the record about giving him a slap, the other one was that it was reported I had stolen their bike and did I know where it was.
I then got a letter saying they couldn't prove who it was on the bike so there would be no further action.
1. I'd named them because they were known rats
2. They reported getting a slap
3. They said I took their bike
Same sort of thing, just not arsed.
You can still be summoned to give evidence as a hostile witnessThere is a law that says the owner has to say who was driving the car for road traffic offences but it doesn't cover criminal offences. So if people jump out and assault people the keeper can just refuse to name the people who were using the car. That isn't the police not doing anything it is a point of law.
Perverting the cause of justice is telling lies to get someone off. You can witness a murder and refuse to say anything and not commit an offence.
Yes but if you refuse to answer questions? And weren't involved? Or just say I didn't see it. Or I don't know.You can still be summoned to give evidence as a hostile witness
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1. You had known them and named them.
2. I take it they said it was not them. Yes people lie to get out of the shit and twist things.
So your word against theirs....this is when third party independent witnesses are key to our justice system.
I once witnessed a hit and run at the junction of the A45 and Broad Lane. That at least 8 lanes of traffic. Loads of vehicles. Must have been at least 20 witnesses. But I was the only person who stepped forward and gave my details to the victim and the police.
They had complained to the police I took their bike, so they pretty much identified themselves then.1. You had known them and named them.
2. I take it they said it was not them. Yes people lie to get out of the shit and twist things.
So your word against theirs....this is when third party independent witnesses are key to our justice system.
I once witnessed a hit and run at the junction of the A45 and Broad Lane. That at least 8 lanes of traffic. Loads of vehicles. Must have been at least 20 witnesses. But I was the only person who stepped forward and gave my details to the victim and the police.
They had complained to the police I took their bike, so they pretty much identified themselves then.
The thing is BBR, I'm a really placid bloke most of the time but I will never back down to gobshites. I will always stand up for myself!Charlie Bronson is finally out of prison and living on the Isle Of Wight !
I think this is why I tend to "take the law into my own hands" so to speak. Then if the old Bill are called, I can always play the 'poor old disabled pensioner with a dicky ticker card!' "Me, Officer? Do me a favour! Look at me!"I got crashed into once by a moto-x bike at night, no lights, no helmets, no insurance, no tax, no licence. I managed to give one of them a bit of a slap and the police came etc.
I got 2 calls, one was off the record about giving him a slap, the other one was that it was reported I had stolen their bike and did I know where it was.
I then got a letter saying they couldn't prove who it was on the bike so there would be no further action.
1. I'd named them because they were known rats
2. They reported getting a slap
3. They said I took their bike
Same sort of thing, just not arsed.
Yes you could, yet if another witness or any other corroborating evidence caught you out, then you yourself face a sentence from the judgeYes but if you refuse to answer questions? And weren't involved? Or just say I didn't see it. Or I don't know.
It is rare people are summoned as a hostile witness maybe in a case of murder but little else.
It isn't just about cuts though, the police are useless these days and the courts as a rule ( football apart ) ridiculously soft.Cuts cuts cuts cuts cuts
And that’s not an unfortunate spelling mistake.
Fair play to you. Like me you'd rather shake someone's hand than give them a smack in the gob, but sadly there are some who see that as a weakness. I was always fighting and never backed down,but as I've mentioned before I had to stop all that as the magistrates/judge threw the book at me,and got a final warning that if I didn't stop the violence expect prison regularly. But that aggression is still there and I have "lost it" a few times but luckily it never ended in a court appearance. Once a fighter always a fighter so the saying goes. I go for long walks and have sparring sessions instead !The thing is BBR, I'm a really placid bloke most of the time but I will never back down to gobshites. I will always stand up for myself!
Would have thought it was just a cost thing? If they can reduce football related violence, rely on less police and more stewards then I would have thought the savings would be significant vs a few police in the centre on a Saturday night and a crew on standby. Wonder what happened to our resident GMK officer, Luckylad was it? He was great for questions like that!does strike me as odd the lengths the police will go to to track down some of these "football incidents" away from grounds.
Bigger fights/levels of violence on a night in Town generally just see them nicking a couple, dispersing people and then forgetting about it. Often same people involved every week.
Violence in town every week, trouble at football few times a season now.
They had complained to the police I took their bike, so they pretty much identified themselves then.
My 4ft 8, 80 year old mother was mugged outside her house a few years ago not only did they take her bag which she handed over to them they decided to beat her up and put her in hospital.
That day and for a few weeks after I could have committed murder.
My mother has part away now but they never found the scum that did it.
My 4ft 8, 80 year old mother was mugged outside her house a few years ago not only did they take her bag which she handed over to them they decided to beat her up and put her in hospital.
That day and for a few weeks after I could have committed murder.
My mother has part away now but they never found the scum that did it.
1. You had known them and named them.
2. I take it they said it was not them. Yes people lie to get out of the shit and twist things.
So your word against theirs....this is when third party independent witnesses are key to our justice system.
If only that were true
when my son was 17 and walking through a park with his girlfriend, he was attacked by a lad with 4 mates. The lad headbutted him, breaking his nose, punched him in the head a few times, then kicked him in the head when he went to ground. A chap close by on his way to his night shift saw everything, and ran over shouting at the group, and they ran off.
As his nose was broken, the police said it was GBH, and they would throw the book at him. They had the witness statement from the nightshift guy too. End result? They said it was my sons word against the other 5 lads... I asked wtf, they have an independent witness, but they shrugged and said nothing could be done.
Sometime after, I took a call at home for my son from the police, so asked them why they wanted him. The copper said they have a "scheme" where they get perpetrators of violence to meet the victim to understand the effect it can have. I asked the copper if I could be there when they met, and he said sure, So I added "good, I want to make sure I know what he looks like, to make sure I cripple the right person". The copper then started reading the riot act to me, said if I did that, I would go to prison etc etc. so I asked how, if it was his word against mine? As you might expect, the offer to meet was withdrawn.
Must admit, afterwards I wished I'd kept quiet and just let the meeting happen, and then got houch to go see him... :emoji_smile:
That happened last year didn't it? The police appealed at the supreme court and got told to do one in the last week or two.this could all be about to change after two of John Worboys victims have sued the police for failure to properly investigate their allegations.
That happened last year didn't it? The police appealed at the supreme court and got told to do one in the last week or two.
If only that were true
when my son was 17 and walking through a park with his girlfriend, he was attacked by a lad with 4 mates. The lad headbutted him, breaking his nose, punched him in the head a few times, then kicked him in the head when he went to ground. A chap close by on his way to his night shift saw everything, and ran over shouting at the group, and they ran off.
As his nose was broken, the police said it was GBH, and they would throw the book at him. They had the witness statement from the nightshift guy too. End result? They said it was my sons word against the other 5 lads... I asked wtf, they have an independent witness, but they shrugged and said nothing could be done.
Sometime after, I took a call at home for my son from the police, so asked them why they wanted him. The copper said they have a "scheme" where they get perpetrators of violence to meet the victim to understand the effect it can have. I asked the copper if I could be there when they met, and he said sure, So I added "good, I want to make sure I know what he looks like, to make sure I cripple the right person". The copper then started reading the riot act to me, said if I did that, I would go to prison etc etc. so I asked how, if it was his word against mine? As you might expect, the offer to meet was withdrawn.
Must admit, afterwards I wished I'd kept quiet and just let the meeting happen, and then got houch to go see him... :emoji_smile:
Well you could all join and sort it out ;-)
Re the statement in bold OSB, although the response you got appears to be pathetic, on a lot of occasions this isnt down to the Police its down to the Crown Prosecution Service, or Cant prosecute Satan as they are otherwise known.
All cases are put to them and decided to them, and whether it goes to court is on their judgement. They say it isn't political but they are government funded and have 'targets' like anyone else, and if it isn't pretty much a nailed on case (at a lower level of offence) they wont do it, as there is a cost implication if it comes to nothing.
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