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clint van damme

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #31,991
That announcement from Witty and Valance is a bit grim
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #31,992
clint van damme said:
That announcement from Witty and Valance is a bit grim
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Laid the groundwork for another lockdown havent they ffs
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #31,993
Saddlebrains said:
Laid the groundwork for another lockdown havent they ffs
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In zoom meeting, what did they say?
 

clint van damme

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #31,994
Saddlebrains said:
Laid the groundwork for another lockdown havent they ffs
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I don't think they'll be a total lockdown like before but I can see restrictions on the likes of pubs and restaurants.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #31,995
Ring Of Steel said:
In zoom meeting, what did they say?
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Cases doubling every 7 to 8 days and could be up to 49,000 A day in October translating to 200 deaths per day in November

Anti vaxxers on my Twitter going in to melt down. Surprised how many people are outing themselves as anti vaxxer, anti 5G believers
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #31,996
clint van damme said:
Cases doubling every 7 to 8 days and could be up to 49,000 A day in October translating to 200 deaths per day in November

Anti vaxxers on my Twitter going in to melt down. Surprised how many people are outing themselves as anti vaxxer, anti 5G believers
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jesus, very cheerful

I saw that Ian Brown & Van Morrison are the latest to go on record saying its all a hoax & New World Order style conspiracy
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #31,997
clint van damme said:
I'd say that South Korea having a proliferation of testing facilities who can get results back to you in an hour for a small fee is a bit more than a 'useful tip'.

We should have had something similar up and running months ago instead of feathering the nest of Dido Harding and assorted other Tory cronies for no tangible return.
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Exactly and as I say, I would take what others are doing well and replicate but comparing us to South Korea is crazy

Ps the Dido/Hancock double act deserves plenty of shit so won’t be defending
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #31,998
CCFCSteve said:
Exactly and as I say, would take what people are doing well and replicate but comparing us to South Korea is crazy

Ps the Dido/Hancock double act deserves plenty of shit so won’t be defending
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Comparing us to South Korea is idiotic
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #31,999
clint van damme said:
Cases doubling every 7 to 8 days and could be up to 49,000 A day in October translating to 200 deaths per day in November

Anti vaxxers on my Twitter going in to melt down. Surprised how many people are outing themselves as anti vaxxer, anti 5G believers
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The interesting thing is the 200 deaths per day. I need to review the info and see what they think will be hospital admissions. 50k cases per day is what will grab the headlines

As alluded to on here, it’s ground work for Johnson announcing further restrictions this week
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,000
Grendel said:
Comparing us to South Korea is idiotic
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That’s true. South Korea doesn’t have a government devoid of intelligence and that’s just for starters.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,001
Ring Of Steel said:
The thing I don't get is how you can go from giving out vouchers to get people out into restaurants one minute, but then talk about giving out huge fines for leaving the house the next- it seems to be lurching from one extreme to the other with no plan whatsoever
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Its not just the extremes...its the dumb inconsistencies. As things stand, from midnight tonight My Mrs. cannot pop down the road to check in on her ma, but I can go a bit further down the same road & get hammered with 5 mates from 5 other households......only until 10pm...covid hour.... which apparently is when the virus wakes up in a bad mood & starts spiking folks drinks.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,002
I'm beyond caring at this point but its being reported that Boris went to Italy last week to celebrate the christening of his new child at some Russian guy's place.. not just him- Tony Blair & others went too, flight plans show it and got 'leaked'.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,003
CCFCSteve said:
The interesting thing is the 200 deaths per day. I need to review the info and see what they think will be hospital admissions. 50k cases per day is what will grab the headlines

As alluded to on here, it’s ground work for Johnson announcing further restrictions this week
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I read mortality of hospitalised patients is 10-20% so I’d expect 1-2k hospitalisations based on that. Which is 2-4% of cases. Sounds about right.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,004
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Its not just the extremes...its the dumb inconsistencies. As things stand, from midnight tonight My Mrs. cannot pop down the road to check in on her ma, but I can go a bit further down the same road & get hammered with 5 mates from 5 other households......only until 10pm...covid hour.... which apparently is when the virus wakes up in a bad mood & starts spiking folks drinks.
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Difference is the government don’t have to spend tens of billions paying your missus if she can’t see her ma.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,005
People are such cunts, "Not going to stop me carrying on as normal" etc. It's a post truth world now. Facts don't matter to people anymore.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,006
clint van damme said:
Anti vaxxers on my Twitter going in to melt down. Surprised how many people are outing themselves as anti vaxxer, anti 5G believers
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Saw a bit of the Trafalger Square protest at the weekend on Twitter. Someone giving a speech about how it wasn't covid it was 5G and its all a plan so they can roll out mandatory vaccinations which are really a method of mind control. The crowd were lapping it up.

Social media has really been an eye opener as to how many people there are who believe this stuff. Doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny. Even if these things were possible from a scientific POV how do these people think someone has persuaded every government around the world to agree to it and keep it secret?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,007
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Its not just the extremes...its the dumb inconsistencies. As things stand, from midnight tonight My Mrs. cannot pop down the road to check in on her ma, but I can go a bit further down the same road & get hammered with 5 mates from 5 other households......only until 10pm...covid hour.... which apparently is when the virus wakes up in a bad mood & starts spiking folks drinks.
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According to the papers the virus is also taking Christmas Day off. Very considerate.

IMO the inconsistencies cause huge problems. You have to get people to buy in to the restrictions, there simply isn't the manpower to police them. How can you get people to buy in when the rules don't make sense? If there's a scientific reason you're fine in the pub but not someone's house then lets have it explained properly. Same with the 10pm thing. What they seem to be saying is you can't trust people to stick to the rules when they're pissed, exactly what people were saying when they said pubs could open. But if that's the logic what happens when people start getting pissed early, do we keep moving it back an hour?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,008
Ring Of Steel said:
I'm beyond caring at this point but its being reported that Boris went to Italy last week to celebrate the christening of his new child at some Russian guy's place.. not just him- Tony Blair & others went too, flight plans show it and got 'leaked'.
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Flat out denials about that. I *think* that's a bollocks story.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,009
chiefdave said:
According to the papers the virus is also taking Christmas Day off. Very considerate.

IMO the inconsistencies cause huge problems. You have to get people to buy in to the restrictions, there simply isn't the manpower to police them. How can you get people to buy in when the rules don't make sense? If there's a scientific reason you're fine in the pub but not someone's house then lets have it explained properly. Same with the 10pm thing. What they seem to be saying is you can't trust people to stick to the rules when they're pissed, exactly what people were saying when they said pubs could open. But if that's the logic what happens when people start getting pissed early, do we keep moving it back an hour?
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Yeah, that's what I'd like with workplaces etc, too. I mean, I *think* I understand why masks are pointless if you're in an office with somebody for seven hours, but I'd like them to explain it to me really... especially when I need one for 30 seconds in a shop.

If there was an upfront, we can't control it beyond managing levels so the NHS can cope, there'll obviously be plenty of deaths because of this, but this is the best approach for us medium-long term, I'd accept it, if it was well argued. Ditto a short, sharp, drastic lockdown.

As it is, we seem to enjoy sitting in the middle ground, where we do some half-arsed measures that probably don't do anything particularly for either approach, and just defer having to make a decision into the future.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,010
shmmeee said:
I read mortality of hospitalised patients is 10-20% so I’d expect 1-2k hospitalisations based on that. Which is 2-4% of cases. Sounds about right.
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I’d just googled and seen that hospital fatality rate was down to 1.5% in June (maybe misunderstood though - Declining death rate from COVID-19 in hospitals in England - CEBM)

Either way i know that there have been significant treatment improvements in recent months so fingers crossed it’s substantially lower than before. Also if we can protect those most at risk better hospitalisation to confirmed cases will also be a lot lower (testing far better than it was back at start - albeit not without its errr current challenges/fuck ups !)
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,011
Skybluefaz said:
People are such cunts, "Not going to stop me carrying on as normal" etc. It's a post truth world now. Facts don't matter to people anymore.
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Spot on.
2 plus 2 equals 5.
No it doesn't.
That's my opinion I'm entitled to it.

Fucking morons
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,012
Skybluefaz said:
People are such cunts, "Not going to stop me carrying on as normal" etc. It's a post truth world now. Facts don't matter to people anymore.
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100%. This links to the "cancel culture" issue. I get the point that we should allow people a platform because then they can then go on things like Question Time and be debated down & made to look stupid. Thats great... in principle.

Problem is we don't live in that age any more. Those days are long gone.

Tweets/ posts by prominent anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists & general morons get seen by more people in minutes than would watch a specific TV programme to hear someone talk, pretty sure I read somewhere that some crazy stuff saying "it is now proven that masks are actually as dangerous as covid" was retweeted 10m times in half an hour or something ridiculous- information is disseminated in a profoundly different way now, everyone has a platform and its incredibly powerful. Debate people all you want, it will do no good. Its a different playing field now and rules need to come in to reflect it.

So thats why in my opinion, if you're one of these people telling outright lies, and you have many hundreds of 000s of impressionable people reading attentively, then you should be gone, banned, "cancelled"- whatever you want to call it. You are abusing a platform in order to perpetuate proven mistruths, so you should lose that platform, its that simple.

Don't know how you do it practically, I get that too, but its not my job to know how to do it, somehow Twitter/ Facebook etc should actually be forced to implement rules whereby if you are caught spreading lies then you're gone- especially when peoples' lives are literally at risk from all this shit "advice" being spouted.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,013
Deleted member 5849 said:
Flat out denials about that. I *think* that's a bollocks story.
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could well be, and tbh I have "Boris twat story fatigue"...
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,014
Ring Of Steel said:
could well be, and tbh I have "Boris twat story fatigue"...
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Yeah there's plenty of options!

tbh he's a bit teflon like Trump anyway, so not sure it matters if he did or he didn't, anyway!
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,015
Yet more policy by putting a message out and assessing the public reaction to it. This government is utterly useless, in constant election mode.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,016
Over the last few decades our whole lives have become monitored.
CCTV, digital financial transactions, traceable mobile phone activity etc.

But wearing a mask in a public place during a pandemic is the biggest threat to our civil liberties ever according to these roasters.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,017
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,018
50k cases a day by mid October if we don't get a grip on this is quite a sobering thought
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,019
clint van damme said:
Spot on.
2 plus 2 equals 5.
No it doesn't.
That's my opinion I'm entitled to it.

Fucking morons
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Brexit legitimised it. I mean not really, but you know.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,020
Skybluefaz said:
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I do kind of agree with this, however.

If the person had reminded me rather than taking a photo and posting it on social media I would of course have put on my mask then and there. I do apologise for my mistake
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If nobody said anything to him, happy to accept he did forget. Rules are so on/off anyway, not like he has to get into the habit!
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,021
Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah, that's what I'd like with workplaces etc, too. I mean, I *think* I understand why masks are pointless if you're in an office with somebody for seven hours, but I'd like them to explain it to me really... especially when I need one for 30 seconds in a shop.

If there was an upfront, we can't control it beyond managing levels so the NHS can cope, there'll obviously be plenty of deaths because of this, but this is the best approach for us medium-long term, I'd accept it, if it was well argued. Ditto a short, sharp, drastic lockdown.

As it is, we seem to enjoy sitting in the middle ground, where we do some half-arsed measures that probably don't do anything particularly for either approach, and just defer having to make a decision into the future.
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It is sitting on the middle ground and ends up pleasing nobody (some want total freedom and fuck everyone else, others want a full blown lockdown) but other than the lack of coherent messaging some of the staged measures are sensible. Not sure people are following (most just ignoring) which is why the Witty/Vallance double act were wheeled out today, people will listen to them rather than Hancock...understandable !
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,022
Deleted member 5849 said:
I do kind of agree with this, however.



If nobody said anything to him, happy to accept he did forget. Rules are so on/off anyway, not like he has to get into the habit!
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No, we would be surrounded by and would of passed many signs telling you to wear a mask
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,023
Skybluefaz said:
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It is easy to forget about something that has been headline news for 7 months and has clouded just about every aspect of life
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,024
Skybluefaz said:
Brexit legitimised it. I mean not really, but you know.
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The only good thing is there's an increasing convergence of the QAnon type lunatics and the extreme far left and while they'll never agree on everything at least all the maniacs are now often in the same place figuratively and literally in the case of the weekends anti lockdown rally.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 21, 2020
  • #32,025
shmmeee said:
Difference is the government don’t have to spend tens of billions paying your missus if she can’t see her ma.
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To be fair, I'm not complaining about some of the outcomes.....tomorrow it becomes illegal for me to visit the mother-in-laws.......you've gotta take the small wins
 
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