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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,506
Deleted member 5849 said:
Does it though, or did it make people take liberties as they're 'protected'?
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From my experience of having to wear them on a daily basis over the last couple of months, psychologically it acts as a reminder and makes people more cautious in general.
The only place where i've been people 'taking liberties' is in a crowded bar where literally no one whatsoever was wearing them, despite regulations.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,507
Evidence I’ve seen says masks work, Asian countries swear by them after experience with pandemics. Can’t see why they wouldn’t work.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,508
On that theme... more joy
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,509
Deleted member 5849 said:
On that theme... more joy
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I’ve just assumed that to be the case anyway.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,510
hill83 said:
I’ve just assumed that to be the case anyway.
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Yeah, it's been said from the start hasn't it? Hence lockdown and social distancing attempts
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,511
David O'Day said:
So the new deal style recovery plan seems to be

0.2% GDP capital spending
A rehashed future jobs fund
Gordon Browns 2008 home improvements plan
A possible £500 gimmick
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It's just another round of corporate welfare
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,512
fernandopartridge said:
It's just another round of corporate welfare
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I am shocked that a party ideologically convinced that the state can’t have positive impacts on the economy is failing to use the state effectively to positively impact the economy.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,513
I like the angry Starmer

Absolutely tore Johnson apart
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,514
Government doing loads again for jobs and the economy, will wait for the usual suspects on here to complain about it
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,515
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Government doing loads again for jobs and the economy, will wait for the usual suspects on here to complain about it
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What are they doing exactly? All I’ve seen is 0.2% capital spending (ten times less than similar countries), maybe a £500 voucher (decent idea), and a u-turn on the cancellation of Gordon Browns home improvement program.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,516
They're making private enterprise reliant on the state.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,517
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Government doing loads again for jobs and the economy, will wait for the usual suspects on here to complain about it
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Still won't admit to their care home fuck up though. Absolutely scandalous.
But as you've proven time and again, you're more bothered about the economy than peoples lives.
 

King of the Lesbians

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,518
shmmeee said:
Evidence I’ve seen says masks work, Asian countries swear by them after experience with pandemics. Can’t see why they wouldn’t work.
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I've seen a fair few bands/shows launching their own face masks with their own branding on.
A lot of them seem to come with the following disclaimer...

"Masks are not medical grade and are not intended to prevent COVID-19 or any other disease. Please follow CDC guidelines to help protect yourself and others from contracting and spreading COVID-19."

...so the masks have to be the right masks obviously.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,519
shmmeee said:
What are they doing exactly? All I’ve seen is 0.2% capital spending (ten times less than similar countries), maybe a £500 voucher (decent idea), and a u-turn on the cancellation of Gordon Browns home improvement program.
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Exactly they are farting around the edges and not doing enough.

Dom is thick as pigshit though so I wouldn't take anything he says as serious.
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,520
David O'Day said:
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Dom is thick as pigshit though so I wouldn't take anything he says as serious.
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Only one that’s as thick as pigshit is yourself, daft bastard
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,521
VAT cuts don't really work either and there's an unneeded stamp duty cut.

Nothing will really create or save jobs in there.

Basically they have kicked the can down the road
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,522
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Government doing loads again for jobs and the economy, will wait for the usual suspects on here to complain about it
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Did you ever think that your unwavering support of the tories would turn you into a socialist?
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,523
David O'Day said:
VAT cuts don't really work either and there's an unneeded stamp duty cut.

Nothing will really create or save jobs in there.

Basically they have kicked the can down the road
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the last VAT cut was a waste of time.
The QE they introduced in America, insulating and upgrading public buildings that sort of thing, was a far better idea in my opinion and will have benefits for years to come.
Johnsons hinted a something similar here but he hints at a lot of things the blustering fuck wit.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,524
Liquid Gold said:
Did you ever think that your unwavering support of the tories would turn you into a socialist?
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Haha good one ladddd
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,525
clint van damme said:
the last VAT cut was a waste of time.
The QE they introduced in America, insulating and upgrading public buildings that sort of thing, was a far better idea in my opinion and will have benefits for years to come.
Johnsons hinted a something similar here but he hints at a lot of things the blustering fuck wit.
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Fuck all about all the measures announced today though ennit, just moaning
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,526
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Fuck all about all the measures announced today though ennit, just moaning
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How about this measure

 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,527
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Only one that’s as thick as pigshit is yourself, daft bastard
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Explain to me who 0.2% GDP spending will make any difference?

How does cutting the price of drinks via VAT going to help even if it is passed on to people when people are reluctant to go to pubs etc when they see them as not being safe?

How does paying a small part of people who were formerly furloughed when the employers can't afford to pay them anyway?

How does a watered down version of the future job scheme help? All it will be is cheap/free labour for large companies and the young person back on the dole when the placement ends?

How is doing a fraction of what other countries are doing going to help?

All this means is we will be in a worse place come the autumn statement.

It's not new, it's not bold and it's not enough
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,528
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Fuck all about all the measures announced today though ennit, just moaning
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You don't know what measures were announced today do you? Clint clearly mentioned at least 1 measure announced today.
 

SBAndy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,529
Pretty underwhelming announcement all things considered.

The VAT cut is a marginal help, essentially a 12.5% price cut for hospitality and leisure. Is that going to spur people on to go away/go out? Who knows. Nice offer but is it significant enough?

Bonus for employers bringing their staff back from furlough. Really don’t understand this and it’s a ‘further down the line’ measure. Is the incentive of a bonus in 6 months’ time sufficient to guard against potential cash flow issues in the interim?

Stamp duty exemption is somewhat unnecessary. The property market is as liquid as it has been in the last 5 years.

Offering 50% off meals out (up to £10) Monday - Wednesday is a positive as these are the times hospitality is most likely to struggle. See how that goes.

Some marginal demand-side stimulus there but for all the reports I was expecting far more.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,530
It's not very imaginative but Labour's response is worse, Annelise Dodds asking "how it would be paid for", now, she might be trying to highlight the hypocrisy of the party that coined the 'magic money tree' term, but wouldn't it be better to make a statement more akin to 'Now the chancellor appears to recognise that there are not actually any constraints on the sovereign currency issuer's ability to spend, will he consider redressing the balance of decades of disinvestment in the following...'
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,531
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Fuck all about all the measures announced today though ennit, just moaning
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no, I've got a relative in a care home where they have Covid and the staff are working like fuck to protect themselves and everyone in there and it's fucking disgusting that they've been thrown under the bus. Just moaning though yeah?
 
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Mr Panda

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  • Jul 8, 2020
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,533
fernandopartridge said:
It's not very imaginative but Labour's response is worse, Annelise Dodds asking "how it would be paid for", now, she might be trying to highlight the hypocrisy of the party that coined the 'magic money tree' term, but wouldn't it be better to make a statement more akin to 'Now the chancellor appears to recognise that there are not actually any constraints on the sovereign currency issuer's ability to spend, will he consider redressing the balance of decades of disinvestment in the following...'
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I thought she did a good job on pointing out that this is not going to help and all the big decisions will need to be made in the autumn statement
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 8, 2020
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 8, 2020
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,536

This is something that has confused me as well

If you can't afford to keep your staff on you aren't going to keep them on for months paying them to get a grand back in January.

You are are going to give a nice little bonus to the larger companies that can afford to keep their staff on anyway.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,537
Sunak hadn’t even finished the sentence about stamp duty and the wife wants to move again.

Is this a good time to sell and upsize or would holding off be better.... any advice would be welcome which I can then pretend were all my own thoughts!
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,538
Ian1779 said:
Sunak hadn’t even finished the sentence about stamp duty and the wife wants to move again.

Is this a good time to sell and upsize or would holding off be better.... any advice would be welcome which I can then pretend were all my own thoughts!
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Personally, I think you'll be catching a falling knife buying in the next 12 months or so.....
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,539
Ian1779 said:
Is this a good time to sell and upsize or would holding off be better.... any advice would be welcome which I can then pretend were all my own thoughts!
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I have no idea, and wish I did! Before all this kicked off, the plan was to move closer to mrs. Wisdom's work and, with all that's going on, in many ways that's more imperative now (who wants to go on a lengthy train journey now!). But who knows what's around the corner..
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jul 8, 2020
  • #29,540
Deleted member 5849 said:
I have no idea, and wish I did! Before all this kicked off, the plan was to move closer to mrs. Wisdom's work and, with all that's going on, in many ways that's more imperative now (who wants to go on a lengthy train journey now!). But who knows what's around the corner..
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I would very tentatively suggest that now would be a lot better than 12 months from now
 
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