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hill83

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  • Jun 20, 2020
  • #28,561
hill83 said:
Went to a supermarket for the first time today since lockdown and it was a total free for all including staff not giving a shit.

The woman working on the self service tills had to check and scan for me because of a can of red bull. No mask, right in my face. "Sorry love" makes it ok though. I didn't have time to stand back out of the way.
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In the interest of balance I went to the same Tesco today and everyone was spot on. Got counted in and out. Distancing followed and staff were great.

They also didn't need to run the check for me on the self checkout for the bevs I bought.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 20, 2020
  • #28,562
Sky Blue Pete said:
Still 1295 infections.

140 odd deaths

If we are content with that then maybe saddle and dom are right
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rapid decline
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,563
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,564
Deleted member 5849 said:
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Does he not realise why you test? Um thick as pig shit
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,565
Sky Blue Pete said:
Does he not realise why you test? Um thick as pig shit
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Yeah but he logs on here as "greggs"
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,566
If anyone doesn’t understand why this government has fucked up its handling of Coronavirus this interview sums it up in one question
A) they can’t own a problem, it’s always someone else’s fault. B) when it should become evident that they’re taking the wrong course of action they plough on regardless.

In April Apple told them that their world beating app wasn’t compatible with the vast majority of Apple devices yet they ploughed on regardless and now they’ve ditched it like they always were going to have to do its Apples fault.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,567
Sky Blue Pete said:
Does he not realise why you test? Um thick as pig shit
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He does, unfortunately...
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,568
Is a second wave of coronavirus on the way?
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,569
Fat Mancock accusing Apple of lying, being a general sniveling little wanker on Marr.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,570
I’d trust Apple over a government full of chancers and bullshitters. One side’s tech experience is selling dodgy schemes under a fake name online and the other is the most successful tech company of all time with a record of user privacy.

Every tech person said this would happen from the off. I remember posting this to the usual tears from the righties on here almost two months ago: UK finds itself almost alone with centralized virus contact-tracing app that probably won't work well, asks for your location, may be illegal
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,571
shmmeee said:
I’d trust Apple over a government full of chancers and bullshitters. One side sold dodgy schemes under a fake name and the other is the most successful tech company of all time with a record of user privacy.
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Indeed, people are pissed off with Apple keeping stuff too secure if anything
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,572
skybluetony176 said:
If anyone doesn’t understand why this government has fucked up its handling of Coronavirus this interview sums it up in one question
A) they can’t own a problem, it’s always someone else’s fault. B) when it should become evident that they’re taking the wrong course of action they plough on regardless.

In April Apple told them that their world beating app wasn’t compatible with the vast majority of Apple devices yet they ploughed on regardless and now they’ve ditched it like they always were going to have to do its Apples fault.
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He's been pushing that they were working on both apps at the same time despite the fact there's never been any mention of this, not even when the government was being questioned as to why they weren't using the available apple / google tech.

Also raises the question of why its not ready if they've been working on it for months, other countries have it up and running.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,573
chiefdave said:
He's been pushing that they were working on both apps at the same time despite the fact there's never been any mention of this, not even when the government was being questioned as to why they weren't using the available apple / google tech.

Also raises the question of why its not ready if they've been working on it for months, other countries have it up and running.
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They could literally take the German app off the shelf it’s open source. Anyone could get it running in a day or so.

Open-Source Project Corona-Warn-App
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,574
skybluetony176 said:
If anyone doesn’t understand why this government has fucked up its handling of Coronavirus this interview sums it up in one question
A) they can’t own a problem, it’s always someone else’s fault. B) when it should become evident that they’re taking the wrong course of action they plough on regardless.

In April Apple told them that their world beating app wasn’t compatible with the vast majority of Apple devices yet they ploughed on regardless and now they’ve ditched it like they always were going to have to do its Apples fault.
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Agree entirely. You can't improve it you can't admit mistakes. Now you would hope that it's a public face to not be discredited but privately they realise they've made mistakes and need to learn from them. But the fact they keep on doing it suggests they're not even doing that. It's just not their fault and the blame lies elsewhere.

But that's what you get when you're part of a group that on the whole has never had to take responsibility for their actions or been particularly badly affected by them. Politics is just a game to them.

The incompetence is bad enough. The attempts to blame anyone else for their failings are just totally unacceptable. If you're not willing to take accountability for your actions maybe leadership and power isn't for you.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,575
Skybluefaz said:
Fat Mancock accusing Apple of lying, being a general sniveling little wanker on Marr.
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He is just an utter shit isn't he. I've now reached a point where everytime I see his face I feel angry and just want to punch it.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,576
shmmeee said:
I’d trust Apple over a government full of chancers and bullshitters. One side’s tech experience is selling dodgy schemes under a fake name online and the other is the most successful tech company of all time with a record of user privacy.

Every tech person said this would happen from the off. I remember posting this to the usual tears from the righties on here almost two months ago: UK finds itself almost alone with centralized virus contact-tracing app that probably won't work well, asks for your location, may be illegal
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On the tech issues of course it makes sense to trust the big tech company.

But when it comes to truth and trust and you find yourself easily believing a company that dodges tax and will use almost any means necessary to try and remove competition over a government then you know there is a major problem
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,577
chiefdave said:
He's been pushing that they were working on both apps at the same time despite the fact there's never been any mention of this, not even when the government was being questioned as to why they weren't using the available apple / google tech.

Also raises the question of why its not ready if they've been working on it for months, other countries have it up and running.
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Ministers at the time even said they were working solely on the one system. It's on record. So they either lied then or are lying now.
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,578
shmmeee said:
They could literally take the German app off the shelf it’s open source. Anyone could get it running in a day or so.

Open-Source Project Corona-Warn-App
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Couldn’t possibly accept help from those pesky Europeans....
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,579
shmmeee said:
They could literally take the German app off the shelf it’s open source. Anyone could get it running in a day or so.

Open-Source Project Corona-Warn-App
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but how were their cronies going to benefit from that?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,580
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
On the tech issues of course it makes sense to trust the big tech company.

But when it comes to truth and trust and you find yourself easily believing a company that dodges tax and will use almost any means necessary to try and remove competition over a government then you know there is a major problem
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Im a bit weird on the left. I don’t blame anyone for limiting their tax liability, I blame governments for not closing loop holes. Tax shouldn’t be an honour system.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,581
shmmeee said:
Im a bit weird on the left. I don’t blame anyone for limiting their tax liability, I blame governments for not closing loop holes. Tax shouldn’t be an honour system.
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I don't blame then either - it's a natural thing to do and everyone will pay as little as possible.

But I do get annoyed that they spend fortunes employing tax experts/financial advisors to avoid the tax when in the end it'd have ended up being roughly the same cost if they'd just taken the law in the spirit intended and paid the tax.

I also get annoyed about how they constantly harp on about convoluted tax laws and how they should be simplified when most of the time they're that convoluted because they had to add in specific caveats to close loopholes. And if you did simplify them they'd just take advantage again.

It's also how they're "shareholders deserve dividends/remuneration" but society that gives them the opportunity to make this money deserve nothing. Tax is a dirty word, dividends aren't. So maybe we need a rebrand. Dividends are shareholder tax and tax becomes a public dividend.

I understand that much of the problem with tax can be a cash issue to pay the bill and more needs to be done on making it less onerous (payment plans etc).
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,582
They can get to fuck. The odious quotes in there about 'breaking the teaching unions' show they view the profession with contempt.

Teachers are urged to give up part of summer holiday to deal with 'national emergency' as Gavin Williamson 'faces the chop' after bungling reopening
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,583
The excellent Dan Hodges
DAN HODGES: Some Tory MPs are starting to think the unthinkable
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,584

here's your next u-turn
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,585
She’s really horrible
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,586
Sky Blue Pete said:
She’s really horrible
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and out of her depth. Give her a tough line of questioning and shes like spider out of Goodfellas.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,587
Deaths 48 that’s not as low as last sunday is it? And still 1200 infections
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,588
BBC radio news not even reporting daily infections and deaths. Given the weekend is usually lower these numbers today are bad news

Sent from my ELE-L29 using Tapatalk
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,589
Sky Blue Pete said:
Deaths 48 that’s not as low as last sunday is it? And still 1200 infections
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Given these numbers, what was reducing threat level from 4 to 3 based on?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,590
36 last Sunday. Can’t find infections details
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,591
Hospital deaths 8 lower than this time last week, only a few more because they didn’t count care home ones last Sunday but they have this Sunday...
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,592
Thanks dom
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,593
All deaths count dom
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,594
David O'Day said:
All deaths count dom
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Yes I know they count I’m just saying why it’s more today
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2020
  • #28,595
Caught a bit of Hancock on news with Ridge.
She asked about the numbers.of traced infections, around 4.5k I think .
ONS give figures of circa 4k per day.
He suggested 80% are symptomless ?
 
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