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shmmeee

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,971
clint van damme said:
That was posted off the top of my head in seconds. Imagine what a bit of research would throw up?
And 2 of the above list have sacking on their CV. Including 2 for the part timer.
I'm really surprised you're defending them. As a Brexit supporter I cannot belive you'd be happy to let this lot guide us through the process. They simply aren't up to government.
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The problem is no one credible believes in Brexit. And given the choice of leaving the cult or debasing yourself by supporting clear incompetents he’s made his bed.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,972
Ring Of Steel said:
Its August 10th over here as the planned date for pubs & hospitality-type places to open- that will be absolute carnage
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My mate sent me a letter from the Irish Times. It said:

'For God's sake re-open the pubs, before we all become alcoholics'.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,973
 

shmmeee

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,974
Marty said:
Why are you offended? Just saying there's better things to do then whinge about cummings for the 5th straight day.
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Like whinge about people whinging?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,975
1887 infections
355 deaths

good infections coming down. Wonder where it will plateau
 

shmmeee

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,976
PVA said:
I am no Corbyn fan, far from it, but he quite literally could not have done any worse.
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I think Corbyn would’ve saved more lives just because his instinct is more humanitarian than economic and Id hope he’d have drawn on the talent in the party Starmer has recently brought back to provide some operational competence. I hate to think what would’ve happened if he’s stuck with Burgon and Abbott (pretty much what we’ve seen really). Though I also think they’re more likely to listen to experts.

Neither would’ve been great though.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,977
Another 387 deaths announced today.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,978
What’s that like compared to last Thursday?

getting a little worried the deaths aren’t dropping like you’d expect.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,979
I see the bullshit merchants at DHSC are still not able to quantify tests to people. This is clearly bollocks as every line on the test result will be linked to an NHS number. Given that one person is usually at least two tests, it looks like they've tested a max of 60k. Way off the 100k promised and light years from the 200k.

Still new outbreaks happening in care homes - surely it shouldn't be difficult to track the source into each care home?
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,980
Great briefing today explaining how we have met the 5 tests! Be good for schools and shops to open safely
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,981
shmmeee said:
What’s that like compared to last Thursday?

getting a little worried the deaths aren’t dropping like you’d expect.
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I think it's possibly because the proportion of infections that are in care homes is higher than that in the wider community, which inflates proportion of deaths against infections as care home patients are far more likely to die.
 

Ian1779

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,982
shmmeee said:
What’s that like compared to last Thursday?

getting a little worried the deaths aren’t dropping like you’d expect.
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Maybe we are now starting to see impact of the poor directive of Stay Alert. It sounds as if there are starting to be some real regional disparities.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,983
Sky Blue Pete said:
1887 infections
355 deaths

good infections coming down. Wonder where it will plateau
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Explains the deaths being higher this Thursday
 

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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,984
fernandopartridge said:
I think it's possibly because the proportion of infections that are in care homes is higher than that in the wider community, which inflates proportion of deaths against infections as care home patients are far more likely to die.
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How have we fucked care homes so badly? Can’t imagine contact tracing will help there much. Have they given a plan for containing it in care homes?
 

Ian1779

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,985
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Great briefing today explaining how we have met the 5 tests! Be good for schools and shops to open safely
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How you can say that test 4 is being met is laughable. Test 2 is a little questionable.
 

Ian1779

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,986
 

shmmeee

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,987
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Great briefing today explaining how we have met the 5 tests! Be good for schools and shops to open safely
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I think I speak for every person in education I know when I say: hahahahahahahahahahahaha

I’ll quote from the letter my daughters primary sent out yesterday:

“This has proved to be an enormous task logistically, incorporating all the daily DfE guidance documents into our planning, many of which have only come out recently. To this end, despite working relentlessly since the Prime Minister's statement about primary schools reopening, we will not be in a position to start this face to face contact on 1st June.”
 
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Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,988
Told you coronas fucking off
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,989
Ian1779 said:
How you can say that test 4 is being met is laughable.
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Having 2 billion items being made and have 100 deals in place, wasn’t acceptable at the start but it’s got to be good news that we now have them in place
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,990
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Great briefing today explaining how we have met the 5 tests! Be good for schools and shops to open safely
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Is this a joke?
The tests are a load of bullshit, based on a false premise

  1. Protect the NHS’s ability to cope. The data shows on 26 May 475 people in England were admitted to hospital with coronavirus, down from a peak of 3,121 on 2 April, he says. This test is being met, he says. Yes, that's because we've had weeks and weeks of lockdown. The NHS ability to cope has not been tested under reduced lockdown.
  2. See a sustained, consistent fall in daily deaths. A 7-day rolling average shows the UK’s daily death rate stands at 256, as of 28 May. The second test is being met, Johnson says. Seems the wrong test and it's been going in the opposite direction over the last 48 hours.
  3. The rate of infection is decreasing to manageable levels across the board. As of 28 May, there were 1,887 cases confirmed. The government is satisfied this test has been met, he says. Accepting nearly 2k new cases a day is a manageable level means we're heading for many many more deaths.
  4. Operational challenges, including testing capacity and PPE, are in supply for future demand. Testing capacity has now reached 161,214 per day and PPE supplies have been boosted. They are satisfied the fourth test is being met, Johnson says. How many people would that be on average? Given the false negatives and two tests per person. It'd take at the very least 2 years to test the 60m NHS registered patients.
  5. Any adjustments to current measures must not risk a second peak of infections that could overwhelm the NHS. He will set out further details on schools, social contact and retail. He says it is right different parts of the UK are moving at different speeds with this. It is right that different places move at different speeds, yet bizarrely, England which has performed worse out of all home nations is moving fastest.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,991
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Having 2 billion items being made and have 100 deals in place, wasn’t acceptable at the start but it’s got to be good news that we now have them in place
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In place for what? Think about the logic of what you're saying
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,992
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Having 2 billion items being made and have 100 deals in place, wasn’t acceptable at the start but it’s got to be good news that we now have them in place
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They haven’t released daily testing data for almost a week. And any idiot can say that PPE is being made....

Let’s see some actual facts to back this shit up - not just lies on PowerPoint
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,993
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Having 2 billion items being made and have 100 deals in place, wasn’t acceptable at the start but it’s got to be good news that we now have them in place
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We don't though.

This is utter madness and people will die.



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ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,994
Being able to visit people's gardens but not go inside their house means I can shit outside and the law is on my side at last. A DREAM FULFILLED
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,995
David O'Day said:
We don't though.

This is utter madness and people will die.



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What is utter madness? We have to slowly come out of the lockdown all the numbers are on the way down
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,996
fernandopartridge said:
Is this a joke?
The tests are a load of bullshit, based on a false premise

  1. Protect the NHS’s ability to cope. The data shows on 26 May 475 people in England were admitted to hospital with coronavirus, down from a peak of 3,121 on 2 April, he says. This test is being met, he says. Yes, that's because we've had weeks and weeks of lockdown. The NHS ability to cope has not been tested under reduced lockdown.
  2. See a sustained, consistent fall in daily deaths. A 7-day rolling average shows the UK’s daily death rate stands at 256, as of 28 May. The second test is being met, Johnson says. Seems the wrong test and it's been going in the opposite direction over the last 48 hours.
  3. The rate of infection is decreasing to manageable levels across the board. As of 28 May, there were 1,887 cases confirmed. The government is satisfied this test has been met, he says. Accepting nearly 2k new cases a day is a manageable level means we're heading for many many more deaths.
  4. Operational challenges, including testing capacity and PPE, are in supply for future demand. Testing capacity has now reached 161,214 per day and PPE supplies have been boosted. They are satisfied the fourth test is being met, Johnson says. How many people would that be on average? Given the false negatives and two tests per person. It'd take at the very least 2 years to test the 60m NHS registered patients.
  5. Any adjustments to current measures must not risk a second peak of infections that could overwhelm the NHS. He will set out further details on schools, social contact and retail. He says it is right different parts of the UK are moving at different speeds with this. It is right that different places move at different speeds, yet bizarrely, England which has performed worse out of all home nations is moving fastest.
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Exactly this is utter utter madness.

People are going to die

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David O'Day

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,997
SkyBlueDom26 said:
What is utter madness? We have to slowly come out of the lockdown all the numbers are on the way down
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Nowhere near low enough.



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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,998
R is 0.7-0.9 good news that it’s now deffo under 1
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2020
  • #25,999
David O'Day said:
Nowhere near low enough.



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They dropped in other countries and there has been no second spike, why won’t the same happen here?
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #26,000
ajsccfc said:
Being able to visit people's gardens but not go inside their house means I can shit outside and the law is on my side at last. A DREAM FULFILLED
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You could have done it years ago... just claim it was instinctive.
 

David O'Day

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #26,001
SkyBlueDom26 said:
R is 0.7-0.9 good news that it’s now deffo under 1
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Just and likely to rise

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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #26,002
Yep 2 and 4 not met. Pleased sir Patrick is back talks a lot of sense
 

Ian1779

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #26,003
SkyBlueDom26 said:
They dropped in other countries and there has been no second spike, why won’t the same happen here?
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A lot of other countries had their daily deaths below 3 figures before making any kind of move.
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #26,004
SkyBlueDom26 said:
They dropped in other countries and there has been no second spike, why won’t the same happen here?
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Because they relaxed restrictions at much lower numbers.

On the day the much vaunted Swiss reopened schools they had 61 new cases.



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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 28, 2020
  • #26,005
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Great briefing today explaining how we have met the 5 tests! Be good for schools and shops to open safely
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I am looking forward to simultaneously teaching remotely and in school. Great for them to suggest how we could implement that.
 
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