Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (23 Viewers)

shmmeee · May 21, 2020

MusicDating said:
Certainly not defending the generally shambolic approach but how does our schools re-opening plan differ to Germany, Spain etc?

One problem is we have one of the highest primary school class sizes in the western world IIRC. Knowing my kids school I have doubts they can safely hold all the kids at once.

The big one is we are about the only developed nation on the planet without a working track and trace system in place.

And of course our deaths and case numbers are still high in comparison.

Mostly though I think it comes down to trust. I had a conversation with my ex and we decided both our kids are staying off until September if possible just because we don’t trust that the government is handling this as well as they claim. And when it comes to your kids it’s always safe over sorry.

MusicDating · May 21, 2020

shmmeee said:
One problem is we have one of the highest primary school class sizes in the western world IIRC. Knowing my kids school I have doubts they can safely hold all the kids at once.

The big one is we are about the only developed nation on the planet without a working track and trace system in place.

And of course our deaths and case numbers are still high in comparison.

Mostly though I think it comes down to trust. I had a conversation with my ex and we decided both our kids are staying off until September if possible just because we don’t trust that the government is handling this as well as they claim. And when it comes to your kids it’s always safe over sorry.

Ah, my trust is in the school and not the Govt. Our school is able to limit class sizes to 15 (not sure if they'll be able to do that if more classes go back, but we'll see) and the head has sent out a very detailed letter explaining their cleaning/distancing rules.

skybluetony176 · May 21, 2020

shmmeee said:
One problem is we have one of the highest primary school class sizes in the western world IIRC. Knowing my kids school I have doubts they can safely hold all the kids at once.

The big one is we are about the only developed nation on the planet without a working track and trace system in place.

And of course our deaths and case numbers are still high in comparison.

Mostly though I think it comes down to trust. I had a conversation with my ex and we decided both our kids are staying off until September if possible just because we don’t trust that the government is handling this as well as they claim. And when it comes to your kids it’s always safe over sorry.

I know in Denmark there’s a legal requirement that class sizes aren’t bigger than 28 and the average across the country is below 20. I’m talking about in general under normal circumstances here too, this isn’t how they’re dealing with getting schools back following lockdown. They don’t start school until 5/6 years of age either so the kids are just that little bit older and better at taking instruction in the lowest year as well as their schools are less crowded. Was watching something on the news about it last night and because they got a grip on this in the first place when they had two weeks head start like us they’ve got their R rate to the point where the schools are pretty much back to normal as is everything else in Danish life.

TomRad85 · May 21, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
No it isn't - the question here is about whether it's wise, when there are still high numbers of infected people out in the community, to rebuild a web of links between them and non-infected people through schoolkids going back to school. Why is there an arbitrary date rather than a threshold?

Probably not no, most people from what I would gather would rather not so it's not even a good move in terms of looking good to their own voter base.
My point was, IF it happened I personally don't see it causing quite the armageddon that's being chatted about, certainly can't be worse than the scenes I still see in supermarkets all the time. Also is there not data to suggest children are both less likely to catch and less likely to spread? (Forgive me if that's wrong.)
What I was saying to Hill was a separate point. If Hill thinks his colleague is at risk the company should be protecting him, giving him tasks that can all be performed at home etc...

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skybluetony176 · May 21, 2020

MusicDating said:
Ah, my trust is in the school and not the Govt. Our school is able to limit class sizes to 15 (not sure if they'll be able to do that if more classes go back, but we'll see) and the head has sent out a very detailed letter explaining their cleaning/distancing rules.

Is your school planning on going back full time with normal class sizes? My youngest’s has said 3 short days every other week, 10 to a class room and only allowed to leave their desk for toilet breaks, no play times and lunch at their desks.

wingy · May 21, 2020

Enough.

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wingy · May 21, 2020

A lot of data released by ONS today .
Pretty baffling in some ways .

shmmeee · May 21, 2020

MusicDating said:
Ah, my trust is in the school and not the Govt. Our school is able to limit class sizes to 15 (not sure if they'll be able to do that if more classes go back, but we'll see) and the head has sent out a very detailed letter explaining their cleaning/distancing rules.

Our school sent out no information on how it would work, said they knew no more than us having watched the briefing, and were very clear that parents who choose not to send kids back won’t be punished. None of which filled us with confidence.

MusicDating · May 21, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
Is your school planning on going back full time with normal class sizes? My youngest’s has said 3 short days every other week, 10 to a class room and only allowed to leave their desk for toilet breaks, no play times and lunch at their desks.

Full time but max class size of 15. Cordoned play area to limit groups and about 30 other rules and regs. It'll be interesting to see how many are there first day and then how many sack it off if they feel they aren't learning / it's like prison.

hill83 · May 21, 2020

How long before people say Sturgeon is copying Bozza

Edit: Just announced she will be relaxing lockdown restrictions

wingy · May 21, 2020

Coronavirus: Confidence in government drops as under 30s admit defying lockdown rules, study finds

skybluetony176 · May 21, 2020

MusicDating said:
Full time but max class size of 15. Cordoned play area to limit groups and about 30 other rules and regs. It'll be interesting to see how many are there first day and then how many sack it off if they feel they aren't learning / it's like prison.

It’s amazing how much it differs. Not sure if it’s council to council or school to school. My eldest is in High School but not one of the years going back so I can’t answer that one. I’ve distinctly got the impression from my youngest’s school that they don’t want them back. We’ve advised them that we’re not sending my youngest back as my wife needs to shield and they almost seemed relieved. I think even if my wife wasn’t shielding I wouldn’t be happy sending mine back full time as you’re expected too but that’s just me, I’m not judging anyone who feels different. Your kids your decision. I think the schools and government needs to see it that way also. At least until we understand child to child transmission and then child to adult transmission better. Can’t help but feel that these first waves of children going back are lab rats.

wingy · May 21, 2020

TomRad85 said:
Probably not no, most people from what I would gather would rather not so it's not even a good move in terms of looking good to their own voter base.
My point was, IF it happened I personally don't see it causing quite the armageddon that's being chatted about, certainly can't be worse than the scenes I still see in supermarkets all the time. Also is there not data to suggest children are both less likely to catch and less likely to spread? (Forgive me if that's wrong.)
What I was saying to Hill was a separate point. If Hill thinks his colleague is at risk the company should be protecting him, giving him tasks that can all be performed at home etc...

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Think it's wrong Tom .
Trying to find Sky news Adam Boulton piece from around 30 mins ago .
Analysing some ONS study .
Gist of that I could take away was that just about every differential measure between each demographic appears innacurate.
Kid's seemed as prone to catch it as adults
I feel like I'm misinterpreting it though .
Might need to be accumulating other groups.

TomRad85 · May 21, 2020

wingy said:
Think it's wrong Tom .
Trying to find Sky news Adam Boulton piece from around 30 mins ago .
Analysing some ONS study .
Gist of that I could take away was that just about every differential measure between each demographic appears innacurate.
Kid's seemed as prone to catch it as adults
I feel like I'm misinterpreting it though .
Might need to be accumulating other groups.

Fair, if you find a link to a credible article post it in here. Would be interested to have a read.
I guess these studies change almost daily at the moment though tbf.

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hill83 · May 21, 2020

The above exchange is exactly part of the reason my lad isn't going back yet.

Deleted member 5849 · May 21, 2020

TomRad85 said:
Fair, if you find a link to a credible article post it in here. Would be interested to have a read.
I guess these studies change almost daily at the moment though tbf.

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They do, and that's also a reason why not to act in haste, potentially. I was sympathetic to the government at the very beginning of this because jumping isn't always the right thing to do - but now they seem to be jumping just about everywhere.

wingy · May 21, 2020

Right hope this clarifies if I m an idiot or not .

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey pilot - Office for National Statistics

chiefdave · May 21, 2020

wingy said:
Right hope this clarifies if I m an idiot or not .

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey pilot - Office for National Statistics

The key point from that as far as the argument for opening schools goes would be this:

There is no evidence of differences in the proportions testing positive between men and women, or between the age categories 2 to 11, 12 to 19, 20 to 49, 50 to 69 and 70 years and over.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 21, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
It’s amazing how much it differs. Not sure if it’s council to council or school to school. My eldest is in High School but not one of the years going back so I can’t answer that one. I’ve distinctly got the impression from my youngest’s school that they don’t want them back. We’ve advised them that we’re not sending my youngest back as my wife needs to shield and they almost seemed relieved. I think even if my wife wasn’t shielding I would be happy sending mine back full time as you’re expected too but that’s just me, I’m not judging anyone who feels different. Your kids your decision. I think the schools and government needs to see it that way also. At least until we understand child to child transmission and then child to adult transmission better. Can’t help but feel that these first waves of children going back are lab rats.

We are holding remote exams for 2 weeks after half term and there is vague talk of exam classes coming in for some practical subjects but the junior years would seem to still be gone even for that.

Sky Blue Pete · May 21, 2020

2615 infections , 338 deaths

Stubbornly staying in the thousands. Of course positive it’s coming down but can’t help thinking the restrictions should have been maintained for a week or two longer

Brighton Sky Blue · May 21, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
2615 infections , 338 deaths

Stubbornly staying in the thousands. Of course positive it’s coming down but can’t help thinking the restrictions should have been maintained for a week or two longer

It seems that the pressure on the school decision is reaching a critical mass

Sky Blue Pete · May 21, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
It seems that the pressure on the school decision is reaching a critical mass

They should wait for 2 weeks and if infections stay as they are we have a bit more proof dont we

AVWskyblue · May 21, 2020

stupot07 said:
177k tests done on just 60k people, spinning the numbers somewhat.

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Not really, my wife was admitted to hospital friday evening after they treated her they also covid 19 tested her. She was again admitted on sunday evening ( womens trouble) and after treatment again covid tested,so two tests in two days on the same patient, how many more would have been double tested too?

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SkyBlueDom26 · May 21, 2020

Antibody tests to be through the nhs and ready in the next 2 weeks, be interesting to see what Hancock says tonight! Can’t wait to see if I’ve already had it, I rekon most will have

Brighton Sky Blue · May 21, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
They should wait for 2 weeks and if infections stay as they are we have a bit more proof dont we

Yup but don’t bet on it

chiefdave · May 21, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Antibody tests to be through the nhs and ready in the next 2 weeks, be interesting to see what Hancock says tonight! Can’t wait to see if I’ve already had it, I rekon most will have

Good news. Any info on what the capacity is?

Has it ever been confirmed you can't get it twice?

TomRad85 · May 21, 2020

hill83 said:
The above exchange is exactly part of the reason my lad isn't going back yet.

Which is absolutely fine mate, it's your right and no one should be forced to do anything. But I think it's also MusicDatings right to send his kid back if he feels it's safe in said kids particular school.

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TomRad85 · May 21, 2020

wingy said:
Right hope this clarifies if I m an idiot or not .

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey pilot - Office for National Statistics

Oof that's long, I'll have to read that after work. You're probably right.

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hill83 · May 21, 2020

TomRad85 said:
Which is absolutely fine mate, it's your right and no one should be forced to do anything. But I think it's also MusicDatings right to send his kid back if he feels it's safe in said kids particular school.

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Yeah 100%

clint van damme · May 21, 2020

chiefdave said:
Good news. Any info on what the capacity is?

Has it ever been confirmed you can't get it twice?

In the Sky news article the part time PM says it's highly unlikely.
A professor of infectious diseases contradicts him - who to believe? The professor or the serial bullshitter?

skybluetony176 · May 21, 2020

Earlier lockdown could have prevented three-quarters of UK coronavirus deaths, modelling suggests

It’s not like we had at least 2 weeks head start, no one could have seen this coming despite the the warnings in January, why do I hate my country so much, I need to stop being negative, I would rather live in Italy etc.

stupot07 · May 21, 2020

clint van damme said:
In the Sky news article the part time PM says it's highly unlikely.
A professor of infectious diseases contradicts him - who to believe? The professor or the serial bullshitter?

We know which one Dom believes...

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clint van damme · May 21, 2020

stupot07 said:
We know which one Dom believes...

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I hope Johnson is right otherwise there's every chance life wont be the same until a vaccine is found

shmmeee · May 21, 2020

I’d be amazed if more than 10% of the population have had it considering the results of the antibody surveys in other countries all came out at around 5%.

TomRad85 said:
Oof that's long, I'll have to read that after work. You're probably right.

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Nutshell is: no differences in catching it for any particular age group. No info on transmission as this was just a survey of who has it right now (well for the last two weeks).

Not sure why certain groups would transmit less, but have seen it speculated so who knows.

Deleted member 5849 · May 21, 2020

clint van damme said:
I hope Johnson is right otherwise there's every chance life wont be the same until a vaccine is found

A small aside and question, why are we heading vaccine rather than antiviral? Surely minimising the effects would be sufficient?

(We have expoert accountants, lawyers, whatever on here, we must have a medic with an interest in the macro!)

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