Grendel
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No fines in many areas then - cool
For anyone who is interested here is a link to German rules on mask wearing and the associated fines
Germans could be fined up to €10,000 as face mask rules brought in
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We've got a parliament that couldn't sort out a Withdrawal Agreement for three years and they expect teachers to completely revolutionise their method of teaching (often without having the technical knowledge of how to do it) in a few days. Whilst also continuing to have to do the traditional method for key workers.
Even without this shit storm there’s little tangible proof that austerity even worked and actually capital investment through borrowing would have stimulated the economy and and had a more positive effect in cutting the debt.
Look I know you are trying to save face here but this is the long and short of it.You were lying weren't you?! Shame on you.
Certain actions......wait for it......in public. Why are you calling it certain actions anyway? Are you trying to prove your point by claiming that public transport and publicly accessible shops don't count as going out in public?
Look I know you are trying to save face here but this is the long and short of it.
You claimed that you would be fined 10k for not wearing a mask in public.
This is incorrect as you can leave you house and walk about in puic while not wearing a mask and not get in trouble. If you want to use public transport or enter certain shops you will have to put on a mask to enter or use them. You're rather pathetic claims that because public transport us outside this is equal to all of the public spaces in Germany is laughable.
Secondly on further reading the fines start at 25 euros and any larger fines are not going to be levied against individuals without masks on but in fact shop owners whose staff don't wear masks if required.
End of fucking story mate
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Look I know you are trying to save face here but this is the long and short of it.
You claimed that you would be fined 10k for not wearing a mask in public.
This is incorrect as you can leave you house and walk about in puic while not wearing a mask and not get in trouble. If you want to use public transport or enter certain shops you will have to put on a mask to enter or use them. You're rather pathetic claims that because public transport us outside this is equal to all of the public spaces in Germany is laughable.
Secondly on further reading the fines start at 25 euros and any larger fines are not going to be levied against individuals without masks on but in fact shop owners whose staff don't wear masks if required.
End of fucking story mate
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Economic Growth is still needed as if we dont see economic growth then we all get poorer.
The issue is that GDP growth has become tired and rather outdated as a sole indicator of economic prosperity.
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Yes and medically that is still a fact that large concerts and events are considered low risk. Got a scientific study yo say this is wrong'?Laughable? Do you remember when you tried to claim you were more likely to catch Covid in your local pub than in a packed football stadium because pubs are inside and apparently the entirety of a football stadium is outside?
And public transport and shops are where? Come on David you can get this I know you can. I'll give you a clue to get you started....out in.....(starts with a p ends in c)
Economic growth is needed as if the economy doesn't grow people and society get poorer.I agree with you overall - some economic growth is probably necessary but it should be one factor of many.
But it doesn't necessarily mean that if we don't see economic growth we get poorer. If everything continues to cost the same then growth isn't needed - we just need to change what we spend it on to be more efficient. Companies up prices because they say costs like wages are going up. People say they need wage increases because costs are going up.
Part of that is we need to have a concerted effort at looking at over-population. Pretty much everything that causes problems you can trace back to it.
Yes and medically that is still a fact that large concerts and events are considered low risk. Got a scientific study yo say this is wrong'?
It's laughable because you stated you would be fined for going out in public without a mask. This is not true as you can go out in public without a mask. It's rather sad to see you trying to say being fined for not wearing a mask on a bus is the same as being fined for not wearing on in public. If the German rules said you could ne fined for not wearing a mask in public you would need to wear a mask as soon as you left your house.
This is rather sad but completely not unexpected from the likes of you.
You were wrong, own it.
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Yes and medically that is still a fact that large concerts and events are considered low risk. Got a scientific study yo say this is wrong'?
It's laughable because you stated you would be fined for going out in public without a mask. This is not true as you can go out in public without a mask. It's rather sad to see you trying to say being fined for not wearing a mask on a bus is the same as being fined for not wearing on in public. If the German rules said you could ne fined for not wearing a mask in public you would need to wear a mask as soon as you left your house.
This is rather sad but completely not unexpected from the likes of you.
You were wrong, own it.
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As there are very many activities that are out in public and you don't have to wear a mask for that is point 1 you were wrong on.Have you got a scientific study to say that's right? Let me ask you this then, did you believe that you would've been less likely to catch Covid at Cheltenham than your local pub as that's more or less mostly outside?
But you will get fined for going out in public without a mask? I personally define going out in public with going out to shops, cafes, pubs, going on public transport. Considering pubs and cafes aren't open I guess that reduces my definition of going out in public but it still applies.
There's nothing to own.
As there are very many activities that are out in public and you don't have to wear a mask for that is point 1 you were wrong on.
As the fine for not wearing a mask isn't 10k that is point 2 you are wrong on.
As you will not always get fined that is point 3 you are wrong on.
With regards to public gatherings I'll take the words of sage over a weirdo that is currently digging himself large hole on a city forum.
Unless you can prove them wrong that is?
You were wrong and tried to style it out but alas you looked like a plum.
Until you can show me I'm wrong I'll just giggle at you as I have work to be doing
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You do realise that one person's view is not a scientific study? You do don't you?
Now just admit you have made yourself look foolish and move on. People are laughing now.
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You do realise that one person's view is not a scientific study? You do don't you?
Now just admit you have made yourself look foolish and move on. People are laughing now.
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Why actually meet a target when you can fudge the figures.Interesting piece on how testing numbers have risen so quickly: Revealed: How government changed the rules to hit 100,000 tests target
The government has changed the way it is counting the number of covid-19 tests carried out in a bid to hit its target of 100,000 tests per day by the end of April, HSJ can reveal.
Previously, a test would be counted once the sample had been processed in laboratories. But this definition has been changed in the last few days, a senior source told HSJ.
The Department of Health and Social Care is now including tests that have been posted or delivered to people’s homes in its figures. This means tests which are sent to people are counted before the recipient has provided and returned their sample to a laboratory.
It could be and it could be not. Not everyone who went to Cheltenham came from the town, in fact most did not.Oh so it's only someone's view that a little over 3 weeks after Cheltenham Festival that the town itself recorded the highest number of hospital admissions in the country? I don't need a scientific study to prove my point David.
It could be and it could be not. Not everyone who went to Cheltenham came from the town, in fact most did not.
A large number of the crowd were Irish and there has not been a representative spike there that can be attributed to the festival.
An increased number of cases is not a correlation and certainly not a causation.
I'm sure someone will look at the festival and study it but until then there is not a study to back up your assertion.
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I rekon 20-30% have had it already and it’s been around since December but who knowsAnyone willing to speculate how many have actually died from this over the six weeks and what that means on what % of the population have had it ?
Was it funded before 10 years ago?I find it very unfortunate that they argued for austerity on the basis of 'we can't burden the next generation with debt' when the failure to fund anything properly for 10 years is coming home to roost
Economic growth is needed as if the economy doesn't grow people and society get poorer.
Why shouldn't tests being done at home be counted as a test being done? Was there a statement saying what kind of tests would count?Why actually meet a target when you can fudge the figures.
Why shouldn't tests being done at home be counted
I rekon 20-30% have had it already and it’s been around since December but who knows
I read the article. They are counting them as soon as they send them out and not when the tests are taken. But how would they know what day they are taken?have you read the article?
They're counting tests that haven't even been dispatched. That means the test hasn't taken place.
Because if the economy doesn't go we all get poorer.Why? Economy has grown here, people can afford less. Got more people using foodbanks etc than ever before. Current generation is expected to be worse off than their parents but we've had an incredible amount of economic growth over that period.
Plus economy can grow but health/wellbeing gets worse - we are 'poorer' as a society and individuals. Economy is growing but life expectancy may well be getting shorter.
Economic growth is only useful if it's relatively even across the whole of society. If certain sections are getting 10% growth while others are getting 1% average figures look fine but majority of people could be worse off.
Those who tend to do best from economic growth are usually those who don't give a shit about society. How much tax dodging goes on by those that have the best growth? Society suffers as a result.
Judged or falsifiedWill any of the journalists actually ask them why they have judged the test figures
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