It's all published Nick, there isn't a massive drop in deaths from other things - they are on the increase as well as the NHS is stretch to its limits:
Adapt life around it and test and trace as much as possible I guess.
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Because you're talking about two different things, one is doctors putting COVID on a deceased person's death certificate, the other is about testing people who are walking about.
Tiktok dances are on the rise as well as the god complex with some NHS staff.
How many people are in the purpose built Nightingale hospitals? Why not fill them up and let normal hospitals deal with more cancer patients.
If a cancer patient dies because people in the NHS are focusing on Corona, is that a Corona death?
With Johnson back to 'work', it's becoming pretty clear there is a big push to get the economic pawns back to work asap regardless of the risk of death or serious illness. The Torygraph pushing misleading polls stating people want lockdown to end unconditionally, lots of air time given to cranks like Toby Young. Now the mass morgues are in place Plan A can be pursued once again.
I'm not sure if it is just being ignored that we're adding on 4k plus cases per day (and that's just diagnosed ones). I genuinely think we'll go to 100k+ excess deaths from this.
In principle I don't disagree but the Nightingale's are not fit for very seriously ill patients, no access to any of the necessary hospital services. Also, there are no extra staff in any case, staff have been redrafted to deal with COVID.
In principle I don't disagree but the Nightingale's are not fit for very seriously ill patients, no access to any of the necessary hospital services. Also, there are no extra staff in any case, staff have been redrafted to deal with COVID.
That makes sense as if they are over the worst of it or not going to die they can be shipped out to those to free up beds for seriously ill patients.Yeah they were never even supposed to be built for the seriously ill were they? I think from the outset the Birmingham Nightingale Hospital in particular was always devised as a step-down facility, so it would accept patients who had recovered sufficiently from coronavirus or who were not suitable for ventilation. Realistically they're the equivalent of an overflow carpark.
How do they know it's a COVID death though if they aren't tested? Yes, they can hazard a good guess but what would have been Dementia last year might be COVID this year.
Yeah they were never even supposed to be built for the seriously ill were they? I think from the outset the Birmingham Nightingale Hospital in particular was always devised as a step-down facility, so it would accept patients who had recovered sufficiently from coronavirus or who were not suitable for ventilation. Realistically they're the equivalent of an overflow carpark.
It isn't a good guess is it? They will still base on it on the symptoms of the deceased.
Death certificates have more than one reason on you know as there is often no single cause of death.
That makes sense as if they are over the worst of it or not going to die they can be shipped out to those to free up beds for seriously ill patients.
Isn't the Birmingham one sat empty though? Does that mean there are no people who have it but aren't seriously ill? It's the same as the emergency mortuary there, are they dumping thousands of bodies there like something from a genocide? That's what it sounded like they were for (just the sheer amount of bodies, not the genocide) which has panicked people.
The Birmingham one hasn't had a single patient yet apparently.
I think the mortuary was built to support funeral directors as they only have so much capacity in their own designated mortuaries. This was identified quickly by the government as a potential problem down the line as if there was a huge influx of deaths then where would the bodies be stored? Otherwise it's likely they'd have to resort to basically what they're doing in New York for the poor - but on a larger scale - by digging mass graves and burying the dead quickly in order to cope with the amount of deaths.
But yeah it panicked people and rightly so as it was a probable scenario if Johnson hadn't reluctantly agreed to implement the measures we're currently under.
I haven't heard it but he isn't going to shag you.Brilliant speech by Boris, great way to boost the countries morale throughout this awful emergency! So glad he’s back
Yeah alright nick, you expecting some sort of prize for revealing how funny you are?I haven't heard it but he isn't going to shag you.
You must have just watched something very different to what was on my TV.Brilliant speech by Boris, great way to boost the countries morale throughout this awful emergency! So glad he’s back
Exactly. I picked up my grans death certificate a couple of years ago and it talked about heart failure and other organ failure brought on by sepsis but listed cause of death as sepsis.It isn't a good guess is it? They will still base on it on the symptoms of the deceased.
Death certificates have more than one reason on you know as there is often no single cause of death.
What was wrong with it? He’s rallying the country to keep up the lockdown, saying how it’s working, saying that there is a plan in place to move to phase 2.....Yet people like you will still moan because you don’t like the manYou must have just watched something very different to what was on my TV.
At least Bigi won us a cup final to be fair.Erm okay?
What was wrong with it? He’s rallying the country to keep up the lockdown, saying how it’s working, saying that there is a plan in place to move to phase 2.....Yet people like you will still moan because you don’t like the man
Excellent. I'll watch it on catchup to find out what this plan is.saying that there is a plan in place to move to phase 2
But I don’t understand what he said that was bad in that speech which Dave seemed to emphasiseOr perhaps because we have one of the highest per capita death rates in the world.
He obviously hasn’t revealed what it is yet...Excellent. I'll watch it on catchup to find out what this plan is.
Eh? Why's it obvious?He obviously hasn’t revealed what it is yet...
In that way it's ok good to have it there just in case but why not use it anyway? If somebody has covid but isn't going to die, send them there as a halfway house before they go home and free up a bed.
Why is any criticism of Johnson or the government met with something like 'you don't like the man' rather than an actual response to the criticism?What was wrong with it? He’s rallying the country to keep up the lockdown, saying how it’s working, saying that there is a plan in place to move to phase 2.....Yet people like you will still moan because you don’t like the man
They seem to have a published plan for every level alsoInteresting that the plan for easing restrictions and starting the move towards ending lockdown sees them move to something similar to what we are terming lockdown. Shows how relaxed our restrictions are compared to others.
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Yeah alright nick, you expecting some sort of prize for revealing how funny you are?
Why not? New Zealand published there’s 2 weeks ago. Bloody socialists with their forward planning and preparations.He obviously hasn’t revealed what it is yet...
What was wrong with it? He’s rallying the country to keep up the lockdown, saying how it’s working, saying that there is a plan in place to move to phase 2.....Yet people like you will still moan because you don’t like the man
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