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David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,611
fellatio_Martinez said:

This interview is quite troubling. The interviewee is an expert in contagious disease and wrote a book a few years ago predicting this virus.

Amongst other things, he reckons we haven't seen anything yet and as soon as the Chinese people come out of isolation the virus wil sky rocket again, so their apparent recovery is misleading.

It's believed to be 10-15 times deadlier than the flu amongst experts.

Estimates of around 500,000 deaths in the coming months.

Hand sanitisers probably don't work to prevent this virus. Breathing is all it takes to get infected.
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fellatio_Martinez said:

This interview is quite troubling. The interviewee is an expert in contagious disease and wrote a book a few years ago predicting this virus.

Amongst other things, he reckons we haven't seen anything yet and as soon as the Chinese people come out of isolation the virus wil sky rocket again, so their apparent recovery is misleading.

It's believed to be 10-15 times deadlier than the flu amongst experts.

Estimates of around 500,000 deaths in the coming months.

Hand sanitisers probably don't work to prevent this virus. Breathing is all it takes to get infected.
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Sky Blue Pete said:
In Britain or worldwide?
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Lads he said similar things prior to the 2009 flu pandemic.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,612
Tommo1993 said:
Extreme measures coming up
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Cool story bro
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,613
Otis said:
Callum Hudson-Odoi now confirmed and Chelsea are in isolation as a result. Talk that this morning they may well cancel all Premier games this weekend.
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hill83 said:
I’m gif guy

Edit; I think you meant to say you’ve not noticed me on here but you said you have noticed me mate.

You have though really
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He ignored you very early on and the accidentally switched you on?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,614
Would you believe it Otis??

An Examination of British Sport Security Strategies, Legislation, and Risk Management Practices

very little about business continuity and certainly nothing in the efl guidance. This is as close as a business continuity plan for football. I think the reality is that one one has even considered this situation or any situation that means a whole league has to finish before it’s finished
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,615
I'm done with you confirmation bias seeking cunts.

The best bit was the gahd sanitiser doesn't work good lads fuckimg gold
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,616
I think the season is done, can't see any more games being played (maybe this weekend might still go ahead, but that'll be it).

Now it's just a case of whether they void it or not. Either way lots of clubs are probably going to launch legal action, could get messy.

David O'Day said:
Where's the evidence we are heading for an italy type situation. The very plan is to stop that
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Yeah, by doing nothing. It's a disgraceful reaction from the government and it's going to cost lives.
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,617
With so many footballers claiming to have it the maths tells you we are already into the several thousand cases of infection irrespective of the published numbers
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,618
PVA said:
I think the season is done, can't see any more games being played (maybe this weekend might still go ahead, but that'll be it).

Now it's just a case of whether they void it or not. Either way lots of clubs are probably going to launch legal action, could get messy.



Yeah, by doing nothing. It's a disgraceful reaction from the government and it's going to cost lives.
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Or save them long term as we will have herd immunity. They’ve explained why. And it wasn’t Bojo making the decisions!!
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,619
Flying Fokker said:
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He ignored you very early on and the accidentally switched you on?
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nah, really just haven't noticed him.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,620
skybluesam66 said:
With so many footballers claiming to have it the maths tells you we are already into the several thousand cases of infection irrespective of the published numbers
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You mean like the up 10k cases they spoke about yesterday
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,621
Sky Blue Pete said:
Would you believe it Otis??

An Examination of British Sport Security Strategies, Legislation, and Risk Management Practices

very little about business continuity and certainly nothing in the efl guidance. This is as close as a business continuity plan for football. I think the reality is that one one has even considered this situation or any situation that means a whole league has to finish before it’s finished
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Find that odd. Every contract my company had contains a force majeure clause
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,622
David O'Day said:
You mean like the up 10k cases they spoke about yesterday
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1000 involved in the premier league. Probably 5-10 cases we know of. That is a high percentage.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,623
skybluesam66 said:
1000 involved in the premier league. Probably 5-10 cases we know of. That is a high percentage.
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Yep but they are invincible so take risks others don’t
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,624
skybluesam66 said:
1000 involved in the premier league. Probably 5-10 cases we know of. That is a high percentage.
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If 0.5 to 1.0 % is high

They do have a lot of time on their hands and travel a bit with their jobs and social life. But is this different to people who go to worship or bingo? They are probably at more risk but have a better outcome than Vera at the bingo.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,625
Sky Blue Pete said:
Or save them long term as we will have herd immunity. They’ve explained why. And it wasn’t Bojo making the decisions!!
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The fact we are the only ones going down this route scares me. Do we know better than everyone else? I doubt it.

 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,626
skybluesam66 said:
1000 involved in the premier league. Probably 5-10 cases we know of. That is a high percentage.
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1000 in the premier league? Nah that would be every single player and coach
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,627
PVA said:
The fact we are the only ones going down this route scares me. Do we know better than everyone else? I doubt it.

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No we know better the situation in the uk, they gave said further measures will be bought in but need to be brought in at the right time
 
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theferret

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,628
As I saw somebody say yesterday, people only appear to like experts if they confirm what they think they already know.

The reasoning for the government's position was laid out quite clearly. It is not a do nothing policy at all. It's about timing and flattening the peak.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,629
David O'Day said:
I'm done with you confirmation bias seeking cunts.

The best bit was the gahd sanitiser doesn't work good lads fuckimg gold
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Are you a doctor?
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,630
David O'Day said:
1000 in the premier league? Nah that would be every single player and coach
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You often post without reading
You are agreeing with me but say nah
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,631
Skybluefaz said:
Are you a doctor?
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What does that have to do with the widely evidence that the SARS-CoV-2 pathogen is killed by 60% alcohol hand sanitiser? This an e ample of confirmation bias, even when the vast majority of evidence shows one thing people will seek out opinions that back up their own preconceived notions.

The doctors at phe and the cdc disagree with him
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,632
skybluesam66 said:
You often post without reading
You are agreeing with me but say nah
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I'm not agreeing with you, it's a small per engage at the moment
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,633
David O'Day said:
I'm not agreeing with you, it's a small per engage at the moment
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5 out of 1000 extrapolates to 300000 in the country
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,634
PVA said:
The fact we are the only ones going down this route scares me. Do we know better than everyone else? I doubt it.

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We may well know better. Our scientists are the envy of the world
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,635
theferret said:
As I saw somebody say yesterday, people only appear to like experts if they confirm what they think they already know.

The reasoning for the government's position was laid out quite clearly. It is not a do nothing policy at all. It's about timing and flattening the peak.
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You are bang on ferret
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,636
theferret said:
As I saw somebody say yesterday, people only appear to like experts if they confirm what they think they already know.

The reasoning for the government's position was laid out quite clearly. It is not a do nothing policy at all. It's about timing and flattening the peak.
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But flattening the peak comes with putting in measures early, not allowing it to spread unchecked.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,637
PVA said:
But flattening the peak comes with putting in measures early, not allowing it to spread unchecked.
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stay at home if you have symptoms you mean?
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,638
David O'Day said:
What does that have to do with the widely evidence that the SARS-CoV-2 pathogen is killed by 60% alcohol hand sanitiser? This an e ample of confirmation bias, even when the vast majority of evidence shows one thing people will seek out opinions that back up their own preconceived notions.

The doctors at phe and the cdc disagree with him
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Not disputing that, just wondering what qualifies you to shoot everyone else down. What medical training do you have then?
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,639
Sky Blue Pete said:
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stay at home if you have symptoms you mean?
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Check the image I posted a few posts up.

Literally anything is better than what we're doing/have done so far.
 
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theferret

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,640
PVA said:
But flattening the peak comes with putting in measures early, not allowing it to spread unchecked.
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But they are not. What they are saying is that large gatherings, closing schools etc. will have a negligible effect on the rate of spread (I defer to their knowledge which will be based on modelling that I cannot possibly have an informed view on). The best weapon we have is early self-isolation - so that is the focus and what they are pushing. It was a message not pushed early enough in Italy and/or was ignored. Whether people ignore that message here remains to be seen.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,641
theferret said:
But they are not. What they are saying is that large gatherings, closing schools etc. will have a negligible effect on the rate of spread (I defer to their knowledge which will be based on modelling that I cannot possibly have an informed view on). The best weapon we have is early self-isolation - so that is the focus and what they are pushing. It was a message not pushed early enough in Italy and/or was ignored. Whether people ignore that message here remains to be seen.
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Doesn't explain why our models are different to everyone else in the worlds. And spare me the Bulldog Spirit “they’re the best innit”.
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,642
Dan Roan from the BBC reporting that EFL will follow the Prem’s lead so expect the Shrewsbury game to be postponed later today.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,643
Skybluefaz said:
Not disputing that, just wondering what qualifies you to shoot everyone else down. What medical training do you have then?
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I'm not trying to shoot people down, I'm just commenting on best available evidence. It's dangerous for people to claim unchecked that hand sanitizer doesn't work.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,644
PVA said:
But flattening the peak comes with putting in measures early, not allowing it to spread unchecked.
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No it doesn't involves putting the measures in at the most effective time. Studies into the 1918 pandemic show that putting forced measures could in fact to more deaths due to fatigue in the measures.
 
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theferret

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,645
shmmeee said:
Doesn't explain why our models are different to everyone else in the worlds. And spare me the Bulldog Spirit “they’re the best innit”.
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Well, it has nothing to do with Bulldog Spirit to acknowledge that some of the world's leading virologists are based here.

Anyway, the key difference it seems is that our scientists are also referencing the behavioural science, saying that as we are up to 14 weeks away from the peak - imposing draconian measures now would be a mistake - because if you shut everything down now (which is a big step to take) people go with it for a few weeks, but may not have the stamina to continue with that for months potentially, and by the time the peak comes around (when the shutdowns might be needed) people will have had enough and might potentially ignore advice at that point. That is my understanding, but again, I defer to them on that because I cannot prove or disprove any of it. I'm not saying I am right, but I'm just trying to understand their position.
 
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