Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (19 Viewers)

shmmeee · Mar 12, 2020

Grendel said:
Well either we are performing actions or we are not - all I see on here is we need to do more. What more do you think we need to do?

Im not talking about us. You said the only possible reason for Italy’s high numbers were lies or a bad healthcare system, I just pointed out that the most common explanation is that they didn’t take it seriously enough soon enough.

If you really want to know what I’d do here, I think I’d be encouraging more social distancing at this point. Work from home where people can, try not to travel or attend social events if you don’t have to. Encourage event organisers to cancel where possible. We seem reluctant to say it’s serious enough to change much and that seems to be creating a mix of panic and lack of concern that can’t be good. I’d basically be doing what ever other western non US nation is doing.

djr8369 · Mar 12, 2020

Grendel said:
Germany? Sorry it’s absurd to say a country has over 20% of all deaths and that’s not an anomaly

I’m not saying it isn’t an anomaly just that mortality rate is an extrapolation with a lot of room for variability. That’s before you consider any country specific variables or that rates may change elsewhere. It does seem high but we don’t have all the info yet.

It also doesn’t mean they’re lying about it, there may be a reasonable explanation.

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djr8369 · Mar 12, 2020

shmmeee said:
Im not talking about us. You said the only possible reason for Italy’s high numbers were lies or a bad healthcare system, I just pointed out that the most common explanation is that they didn’t take it seriously enough soon enough.

If you really want to know what I’d do here, I think I’d be encouraging more social distancing at this point. Work from home where people can, try not to travel or attend social events if you don’t have to. Encourage event organisers to cancel where possible. We seem reluctant to say it’s serious enough to change much and that seems to be creating a mix of panic and lack of concern that can’t be good. I’d basically be doing what ever other western non US nation is doing.

It’s interesting how different countries have a completely different take on it. I’m sure they’re all following the advice of experts too (except maybe Trump). Only will tell who’s counter measures were effective.

Apparently during other flu like pandemics there were sometimes secondary humps on the graph as restrictions were lifted so our government may be onto something in terms of trying to flatten the curve without throwing everything at it too early.

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Warwickhunt · Mar 12, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
It’s great news IF that’s the reality. Who knows. The key is whether the virus ‘reappears’ (not sure I’m of the medical term !!) and becomes widespread once the restrictions are removed though

I think this virus has been about long before the Chinese released a statement!

fellatio_Martinez · Mar 12, 2020

I was just in Tesco. Empty aisles everywhere but I managed to get 12 Muller Rices for £3.

Warwickhunt · Mar 12, 2020

torchomatic said:
Absolutely. Surely, there's more chance of infection in closed spaces such as pubs, theatres and cinemas?

Bet the Amsterdam brothels are struggling then?

Mcbean · Mar 12, 2020

Just watching the Wolves match - very dull like a training game - so dull in fact I have turned over to Rangers

CCFCSteve · Mar 12, 2020

shmmeee said:
Im not talking about us. You said the only possible reason for Italy’s high numbers were lies or a bad healthcare system, I just pointed out that the most common explanation is that they didn’t take it seriously enough soon enough.

If you really want to know what I’d do here, I think I’d be encouraging more social distancing at this point. Work from home where people can, try not to travel or attend social events if you don’t have to. Encourage event organisers to cancel where possible. We seem reluctant to say it’s serious enough to change much and that seems to be creating a mix of panic and lack of concern that can’t be good. I’d basically be doing what ever other western non US nation is doing.

But here’s the tricky bit though shmmeee, if you do believe that (which I can’t argue against as everything you say/other countries have done is intuitive and some of the stuff the government/chief medical officer is counter intuitive) are you going to avoid Saturday and other social gatherings ?

From what I heard at the press conference the government, rightly or wrong, is delaying these steps until around the peak as this is when they will be most effective in stopping the spread and they think the steps will be required for several weeks (minimum). They also believe that certain things such as screening at airports and stopping outdoor social gatherings are catchy/big statements but have very little effect. Also the travel bans for those from countries with similar infections rates as ourselves (like trumps done) again appears pretty worthless at this stage

ps The one thing I would be suggesting now is that elderly/people with respiratory illnesses minimise attendance at places with larger crowds (from supermarkets to events) to reduce the risk to them. I don’t really understand why this hasn’t happened (unless I have missed it - presume many have done this anyway)

torchomatic · Mar 12, 2020

Mcbean said:
Just watching the Wolves match - very dull like a training game - so dull in fact I have turned over to Rangers

Yeah, me too. Just wasn't right, was it.

wingy · Mar 12, 2020

Wolves have just conceded

shmmeee · Mar 12, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
But here’s the tricky bit though shmmeee, if you do believe that (which I can’t argue against as everything you say/other countries have done is intuitive and some of the stuff the government/chief medical officer is counter intuitive) are you going to avoid Saturday and other social gatherings ?

From what I heard at the press conference the government, rightly or wrong, is delaying these steps until around the peak as this is when they will be most effective in stopping the spread and they think the steps will be required for several weeks (minimum). They also believe that certain things such as screening at airports and stopping outdoor social gatherings are catchy/big statements but have very little effect. Also the travel bans for those from countries with similar infections rates as ourselves (like trumps done) again appears pretty worthless at this stage

ps The one thing I would be suggesting now is that elderly/people with respiratory illnesses minimise attendance at places with larger crowds (from supermarkets to events) to reduce the risk to them. I don’t really understand why this hasn’t happened (unless I have missed it - presume many have done this anyway)

Well I’m now self isolating until Tuesday so yes personally I am. And I’m going to reduce the contact I have with others generally and will be seeing how much I can work from home. I’m not saying the government has to go storming in now, but there are a lot of experts looking very worried about this strategy. Maybe we should be going for bigger actions and as a layman I just haven’t wrapped my head around the severity. Italy’s healthcare system is a breaking point with a higher beds per capita figure than us and by all accounts is a good month or more from the peak. Moreover there seems to be a feeling of panic creeping in that we aren’t doing enough and some simple advice that falls short of legislation or government action but goes beyond “wash your hands” could help there.

Brylowes · Mar 12, 2020

Is anyone else a little concerned that our “On Site Italy Corespondent”
Is known as Sick Boy

CCFCSteve · Mar 12, 2020

shmmeee said:
Well I’m now self isolating until Tuesday so yes personally I am. And I’m going to reduce the contact I have with others generally and will be seeing how much I can work from home. I’m not saying the government has to go storming in now, but there are a lot of experts looking very worried about this strategy. Maybe we should be going for bigger actions and as a layman I just haven’t wrapped my head around the severity. Italy’s healthcare system is a breaking point with a higher beds per capita figure than us and by all accounts is a good month or more from the peak. Moreover there seems to be a feeling of panic creeping in that we aren’t doing enough and some simple advice that falls short of legislation or government action but goes beyond “wash your hands” could help there.

Didn’t realise you were self isolating. Hope alls ok

PVA · Mar 12, 2020

I think the government have handled this appallingly and we are woefully under prepared.

We've had the 'benefit' of seeing it take hold in other countries and we have done absolutely nothing while other countries have put numerous measures in place.

shmmeee · Mar 12, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
Didn’t realise you were self isolating. Hope alls ok

Yeah just had a persistent cough and slight fever. Expect it’s just a bug but advice is advice and what’s a little inconvenience to play it safe? Also helps that I love working from home.

CovUpNorth · Mar 12, 2020

Johhny Blue said:
Doctor Who?

No him no

Flying Fokker · Mar 12, 2020

NHS England issue statement after Coventry Wetherspoons forced to close

I’m a bit like that with my food as well.

Brylowes · Mar 12, 2020

PVA said:
I think the government have handled this appallingly and we are woefully under prepared.

We've had the 'benefit' of seeing it take hold in other countries and we have done absolutely nothing while other countries have put numerous measures in place.

I think it’s what’s to be expected from a government elected solely on populist
Ideals and sound bites, when it comes down to it they’re an empty cabinet.

djr8369 · Mar 12, 2020

Brylowes said:
I think it’s what’s to be expected from a government elected solely on populist
Ideals and sound bites, when it comes down to it they’re an empty cabinet.

Think you’re possibly being a tad harsh, and I say that as no fam of this government, but I think this really will be the undoing of Trump. Fake mews isn’t going to cut it when the elderly are dying and he’s trying to score political points.

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SkyBlueDom26 · Mar 12, 2020

How bad does everyone think it will be in week 10-14??

djr8369 · Mar 12, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
How bad does everyone think it will be in week 10-14??

Bad. Deaths aside wtf is going to happen to food supplies and services while people are off sick, how many businesses might go bust? Financial markets are starting to look like a house of cards again, it’s carnage.

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Astute · Mar 12, 2020

We are about a week behind France. My kids have been informed that tomorrow is the last day at school for the foreseeable future. Macron has made the decision for everyone no matter how bad it is in their district.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Mar 12, 2020

This is going to cost us promotion isn’t it...

PVA · Mar 12, 2020

Brylowes said:
I think it’s what’s to be expected from a government elected solely on populist
Ideals and sound bites, when it comes down to it they’re an empty cabinet.

Absolutely.

A man who has been sacked from just about every job he's held as Prime Minister and an incompetent bunch of cronies in the cabinet.

I'm not sure any country on earth has done less than we have so far, it's appalling.

Colin Steins Smile · Mar 12, 2020

The NHS is facing massive challenges. The issues are capacity ... over the past 10 years the number of beds has been cut. The virus hits respiratory functions and there is limited numbers of respirators.... and trying to secure more is difficult with lots of countries looking to buy more. The hassle here is we are short of doctors and nurses to run them . Bottom line is the medics will be faced with dilemmas of who to give the limited number of respirators to. Our chancellor has promised unlimited funds, but it’s too late to make a big difference in the next 10 weeks. Everyone do everything you can to avoid infection

Nick · Mar 12, 2020

Accrington are on about offering refunds for now until the end of the season.

capel & collindridge · Mar 12, 2020

A friend of mine in my neck of the woods who is a medical doctor was asked today if he was concerned about the Coronavirus Pandemic? He is due to be on a local radio show tomorrow and shared what what he will say:

My simple answer is ,

"Yep, Things are really ramping up in hospitals and primary care in terms of testing and new diagnoses. What will make the biggest difference now is how our communities work together rather than focusing on what we as individuals want and can do.

It will be the individual acts of compromise and sacrifice over the next few months which will be how our communities reduce the number of deaths from a severe respiratory illness.

We are going to discover what our society is capable of
- the very best or the very worst .

Stay healthy , wash your hands , keep your loved ones close and give them a hug ,

Dr Nik

Makes sense to me. What do others here think?

steve cooper · Mar 12, 2020

I can't quote his exact words, but at today's press conference the science "expert" LOL, made a statement similar to - We don't want to slow the infection rate too much because we want to build up immunity. Says it all.

TTG · Mar 12, 2020

Typical city if we win the league behind closed doors!

PVA · Mar 12, 2020

Colin Steins Smile said:
The NHS is facing massive challenges. The issues are capacity ... over the past 10 years the number of beds has been cut. The virus hits respiratory functions and there is limited numbers of respirators.... and trying to secure more is difficult with lots of countries looking to buy more. The hassle here is we are short of doctors and nurses to run them . Bottom line is the medics will be faced with dilemmas of who to give the limited number of respirators to. Our chancellor has promised unlimited funds, but it’s too late to make a big difference in the next 10 weeks. Everyone do everything you can to avoid infection

Yep, 10 years of under funding has led us to this point and now it looks like that could be a disastrous mistake.

In Italy they are basically having to choose who lives and who dies when allocating beds and equipment in this pandemic. I hope we don't find ourselves in the same situation but it is a possibility.

djr8369 · Mar 12, 2020

TTG said:
Typical city if we win the league behind closed doors!

That will be gutting. We might be watching on ifollow and talking about it here.

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Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Mar 12, 2020

steve cooper said:
I can't quote his exact words, but at today's press conference the science "expert" LOL, made a statement similar to - We don't want to slow the infection rate too much because we want to build up immunity. Says it all.

He said it was desirable to build up immunity for the future which is correct

PVA · Mar 12, 2020

Bundesliga are talking about cancelling the league and voiding it - no winner, no trophy, no relegation.

Flying Fokker · Mar 12, 2020

PVA said:
Yep, 10 years of under funding has led us to this point and now it looks like that could be a disastrous mistake.

In Italy they are basically having to choose who lives and who dies when allocating beds and equipment in this pandemic. I hope we don't find ourselves in the same situation but it is a possibility.

Yep, those choices seem to be commonplace in hospitals. The decisions are usually made on such things as individual quality of life and social isolation/ carer contact.

CCFCSteve · Mar 12, 2020

capel & collindridge said:
A friend of mine in my neck of the woods who is a medical doctor was asked today if he was concerned about the Coronavirus Pandemic? He is due to be on a local radio show tomorrow and shared what what he will say:

My simple answer is ,

"Yep, Things are really ramping up in hospitals and primary care in terms of testing and new diagnoses. What will make the biggest difference now is how our communities work together rather than focusing on what we as individuals want and can do.

It will be the individual acts of compromise and sacrifice over the next few months which will be how our communities reduce the number of deaths from a severe respiratory illness.

We are going to discover what our society is capable of
- the very best or the very worst .

Stay healthy , wash your hands , keep your loved ones close and give them a hug ,

Dr Nik

Makes sense to me. What do others here think?

absolutely spot on. Are we truly in a me, me, me society’ ? I have been saying this to mates...I’m hoping for every selfish act of panic buying and clearing certain items off the shelves (when young and healthy) we’ll see plenty more acts of selflessness, whether that be self isolating to protect others or helping those that have had to self isolate.

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