It's not football, you can't simply expect the country to support someone who has so vividly displayed he couldn't give a flip about the working classes and vulnerable people and has a ridiculous lack of knowledge to go along with it. This isn't just bad mouthing the guy. You can hear it come out of his mouth in the link I posted.Its just called getting behind someone who's trying to lead our country through this terrible time, should try it instead of making petty comments like that
No it's pretty obvious that the cabinet was chosen based on their Brexit stance. Whether you think they are any good or not, that's up to you. But they got their cabinet jobs based on their Brexit stance.
Our Home Secretary was all but sacked for secret meetings with foreign officials, and willing to funnel our money into a foreign army.
But she likes Brexit so now she's Home Secretary.
Not sure lockdown is ending any time soon unfortunately Clint. I’m guessing measures might start to be relaxed in coming weeks (mid/late May ?)
There will be pressure on the government to relax them sooner but hopefully whoever’s in charge will follow the scientific/medical advice. That’s all we can ask for.
ps I know some might disagree with me but I think we can see (or at least appreciate) on the behavioural science side of things, why there was a want/need to leave the lockdown until as late as possible in order to get maximum benefit and minimise it’s negative impacts. Domestic violence up 25%, kids being kept out of school away from their friends, economic impact for millions (which is likely to have subsequent impact on health) and increased anxiety/depression will no doubt be another major symptom. Comments about the government and their advisors ‘dithering’ etc when making the original decision (not you Clint) need to consider the bigger, wider picture. Every decision made will have positive and negative impacts elsewhere. It’s trying to make sure even if there are negative implications, the positives outweigh them
In fairness to Raab, he's not the only one. They entire party (bar one MP) voted against the payrise.
And then cheered when they won.
Behavioral science is really really fucking importantNot sure lockdown is ending any time soon unfortunately Clint. I’m guessing measures might start to be relaxed in coming weeks (mid/late May ?)
There will be pressure on the government to relax them sooner but hopefully whoever’s in charge will follow the scientific/medical advice. That’s all we can ask for.
ps I know some might disagree with me but I think we can see (or at least appreciate) on the behavioural science side of things, why there was a want/need to leave the lockdown until as late as possible in order to get maximum benefit and minimise it’s negative impacts. Domestic violence up 25%, kids being kept out of school away from their friends, economic impact for millions (which is likely to have subsequent impact on health) and increased anxiety/depression will no doubt be another major symptom. Comments about the government and their advisors ‘dithering’ etc when making the original decision (not you Clint) need to consider the bigger, wider picture. Every decision made will have positive and negative impacts elsewhere. It’s trying to make sure even if there are negative implications, the positives outweigh them
He's another one who hates the NHS Dom. You are aware of that.
He said nurses didn't deserve proposed 1 percent pay rise. Do you agree with him Dom?
We are allowed to point out he isn't very good.Its just called getting behind someone who's trying to lead our country through this terrible time, should try it instead of making petty comments like that
Yes but public sector pay freezes were tory policyIf he did say that then its terrible
your points would carry more weight had the govt not continually contradicted themselves and been caught out lying. They changed their entire strategy based on the findings of the Cambridge study, the delay may well have benefits for all any of us know, but it was based on having a terrible plan, having it pointed out to them that it would kill hundreds of thousands and having to U turn.
If he did say that then its terrible
They all voted for it Dom. They cheered when they won the vote.
They've all colluded to ensure NHS staff dont have PPE. You voted for them Dom.
But stand on your door step clapping once a week and tell yourself you love the NHS along with the rest of the hypocrites.
Which is ironic because that should please people as it’s clearly going to be the right thing to do.The first stage of lockdown ending is likely to be sections of society going back to work to get some of the economy going, while social activities will still be banned, which I think will disappoint a lot of people.
Correct, they followed the advice and data from Imperial College C-19 response team which was set up to advise the government
Out means out. This isn’t what we voted for.talking of Great British Independence..
No it wasn’t, it was also aimed at Firefighters and the police. Are you saying that people who put their lives on the line on a regular basis to serve the public don’t deserve a 1%+ pay rise and that’s something to cheer about? That’s pretty disgusting. For someone who attempted to come over all moralistic last night you’ve very quickly returned to type.which wasn’t just aimed at NHS staff
Sorry this is nonsense.
The government had a clear policy at the time of wage restraint in the public sector and the labour amendment which wasn’t just aimed at NHS staff was always going to be defeated and was a publicity stunt
You talk about pay restraint as if it’s a conservative thing. It isn’t - In the 70’s the labour government (the last real labour government of you believe the left) has a pay restraint policy across the whole of public and private sector and worked in collusion with the unions to achieve this. It was 10% pts below the cost of living
Now even with Johnson not yet dead labour are attempting a national government with 50% labour having half the shadow cabinet - pure opportunism
Collusion to prevent PPE equipment is an extraordinary statement
No it wasn’t, it was also aimed at Firefighters and the police. Are you saying that people who put their lives on the line on a regular basis to serve the public don’t deserve a 1%+ pay rise and that’s something to cheer about? That’s pretty disgusting. For someone who attempted to come over all moralistic last night you’ve very quickly returned to type.
Out of interest what did the same partying MP’s vote in for themselves as a pay rise that year? 2.7% wasn’t it?
Nice to see you coming out of hiding after running off last night once being proved wrong.Also as this forum now seems to have become a small band of left wing frothers venting their spleen perhaps one of you can explain the labour policy on politicians pay
The Blair government voted several times for inflation busting pay rises and then an independent body was set up
In 2015 it suggested a £7,000 pay rise in austerity Britain for MPs
Many labour MPs said it sent out a wrong message. The SNP MPs gave the pay rise to charity. However, despite the indignation I do not think any Labour MP did the same or indeed in 2017 when the rise was around 3% - there may be some but I can’t find any
Also as this forum now seems to have become a small band of left wing frothers venting their spleen perhaps one of you can explain the labour policy on politicians pay
The Blair government voted several times for inflation busting pay rises and then an independent body was set up
In 2015 it suggested a £7,000 pay rise in austerity Britain for MPs
Many labour MPs said it sent out a wrong message. The SNP MPs gave the pay rise to charity. However, despite the indignation I do not think any Labour MP did the same or indeed in 2017 when the rise was around 3% - there may be some but I can’t find any
Also as this forum now seems to have become a small band of left wing frothers venting their spleen perhaps one of you can explain the labour policy on politicians pay
The Blair government voted several times for inflation busting pay rises and then an independent body was set up
In 2015 it suggested a £7,000 pay rise in austerity Britain for MPs
Many labour MPs said it sent out a wrong message. The SNP MPs gave the pay rise to charity. However, despite the indignation I do not think any Labour MP did the same or indeed in 2017 when the rise was around 3% - there may be some but I can’t find any
If it's not collusion it's incompetence.
Raab Said in January we're ready for the pandemic. Was he lying or just being incompetent?
I don't give a fuck about Labour in the 70s. Ridiculous whatabouttery. This government has been at the helm for 10 years - It's all on them
Nice to see you coming out of hiding after running off last night once being proved wrong.
Another bout of classic Grendel whataboutery though by the way, a great performance although I'm surprised that you failed to mention Macron or the EU, aren't they your usual attack points? Oh well, at least you got your like from Lapdog Dom.
I never said they did. I was pointing out that the Labour amendment wasn’t just for NHS staff as you quite rightly pointed out. It was for all emergency services which you conveniently ignore.Firefighters don’t work in the NHS
You voted for them in 2015 and 2017 “Conservatives every time” you said - shall I show you.
Have they removed the committee and now vote for pay rises? Did t know this - did labour vote against it
You were proven wrong when the correct press conference was posted on here numerous times. You have to be the most ignorant person I’ve ever come across.I didn’t run off? Oh and I wasn’t proved wrong. As I say there is no discussion on any subjects here now and anyone attempting defence of the elected government (by a significant majority) is going to have the left wing cabal taking pot shots
Fire away
I don't think you are in any position to talk about people frothing after your exertions yesterday, that was the mother of all meltdowns
Out means out. This isn’t what we voted for.
The left always scream death to Tory leaders - same with thatcher and even many of them towards Blair - drag to to The Hague and out him in prison - some are now suggesting a national holiday to celebrate Johnson’s death
The left are always going to act like this as they are always in the minority and always show their true colours in times like this
If people show respect ad dignity they will get the same from me - if they don’t they won’t
Every country believed they could control it - every country is scrambling for PPE and every country is struggling - how can you handle a pandemic that has been like no other.
It’s not whataboutery - don’t be foolish - labour didn’t care about the staff it was a cheap piece of opportunism to get headlines
What levels of disrespect and indignity did Maxime Biamou show to you to deserve his 2 and half year hate campaign then?The left always scream death to Tory leaders - same with thatcher and even many of them towards Blair - drag to to The Hague and out him in prison - some are now suggesting a national holiday to celebrate Johnson’s death
The left are always going to act like this as they are always in the minority and always show their true colours in times like this
If people show respect ad dignity they will get the same from me - if they don’t they won’t
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. It isn’t every country either. The warning signs were there from SARS, MERS, bird flu, swine flu etc etc. Some countries did pay attention and were prepared.Every country believed they could control it - every country is scrambling for PPE and every country is struggling - how can you handle a pandemic that has been like no other.
It’s not whataboutery - don’t be foolish - labour didn’t care about the staff it was a cheap piece of opportunism to get headlines
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