Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (30 Viewers)

Ring Of Steel · Apr 4, 2020

Brylowes said:
How anyone can still back this Government’s performance in this crisis is truly bewildering they chose the strategy Of (herd immunity) that went against all outside advice ‘including that of the World Health Organisation.
By the time they realised the error of their ways our fate was sealed, and any hope of an early lockdown lost.
They also had the geographical luxury of watching other Countries succumb to the
Virus ‘and the effects it had on their respective Health Services.

They failed to secure early’ the necessary PPE and medical equipment needed to fight the virus on its arrival.
Couple this with the chronic condition our NHS is in ‘even without this virus because of 10 years of Austerity driven cuts to equipment and frontline staff.
These are all things that could and no doubt would have been done differently under a alternative administration.
Bojo and crew despite having hourly briefing’s from experts in the field didn’t seem to have any idea of what was coming our way until about 2 1/2 weeks ago ‘where as any clued up man in the street has been seeing it much longer.

The Governments performance so far in this crisis has been every bit as ‘shambolic’ as it is ‘disastrous’ In fact it’s been so bad ‘that I’m still not entirely sure that it isn’t being done on purpose and that “Hurd Immunity” is in fact still the path being followed.

Priti Patel spent ages telling us how she was going to stamp out freedom of movement and all that lovely right wing type stuff, I don’t know where she is now as plane loads come in from coronavirus hotspots and those on board walk straight out onto the street.

I would also venture to suggest she’s a bit more tolerant of her despised “low skilled workers” these days seeing as they are keeping the country moving and currently trying to save thousands of lives.

And just possibly Matt Hancock now wishes he hadn’t voted against a payrise for nurses. All of them, they’re scum. Lots to be proud of in U.K., but the people that lead the place, they’re just dangerous buffoons who kill their own people with their decisions.

It’s looking like Polish beer tonight, I think we’ll start with “Lech” and see where we end up...

Ring Of Steel · Apr 4, 2020

Brylowes said:
I agree.
But that says far more about our population ‘than it does about them.

It does indeed. Most of the world either laughs or marvels at how many people were conned. But there you go.

Grendel · Apr 4, 2020

cc84cov said:
Boris won’t emerge till we’ve flattened the curve G

If he hasn’t show recovery in 3 days there is a likelihood he will be hospitalised

Grendel · Apr 4, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Priti Patel spent ages telling us how she was going to stamp out freedom of movement and all that lovely right wing type stuff, I don’t know where she is now as plane loads come in from coronavirus hotspots and those on board walk straight out onto the street.

I would also venture to suggest she’s a bit more tolerant of her despised “low skilled workers” these days seeing as they are keeping the country moving and currently trying to save thousands of lives.

And just possibly Matt Hancock now wishes he hadn’t voted against a payrise for nurses. All of them, they’re scum. Lots to be proud of in U.K., but the people that lead the place, they’re just dangerous buffoons who kill their own people with their decisions.

It’s looking like Polish beer tonight, I think we’ll start with “Lech” and see where we end up...

Which hot spots are people coming in from?

Ring Of Steel · Apr 4, 2020

Grendel said:
Quality

MP warned by police after attending funeral with 'up to 100 mourners' amid coronavirus lockdown

I’m gonna have a wild shot in the dark before opening and say that’s about someone non white and/or a muslim?

Grendel · Apr 4, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
It does indeed. Most of the world either laughs or marvels at how many people were conned. But there you go.

No it actually doesn’t show that but hey

Grendel · Apr 4, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I’m gonna have a wild shot in the dark before opening and say that’s about someone non white and/or a muslim?

No it’s an MP breaking rules - I really can’t be bothered with this nonsense again

Magwitch · Apr 4, 2020

Grendel said:
In the short term at least the government will emerge with increased popularity

Do you reckon ?
In the recent GE the Government won and won well with about 70% of the population voting, with this virus the whole country are on it and affected one way or the other, the recriminations will come and realisation that government negligence of the NHS and other austerity measures will come home to roost. There will be a huge political fall-out due to all this imo.

skybluetony176 · Apr 4, 2020

clint van damme said:
Niall Ferguson said today we could see alifting on restrictions in 10 days when he thinks things could potentially start to plateau.
He did follow it up by saying as long as people keep following current social distancing guidelines. It could be a ruse to stop people taking the piss during the good weather of the next couple of days

I believe Spain has just extended their curfew for another 2 weeks. Given we’re about 2 weeks behind them in terms of the curve I’d say Niall Ferguson is talking nonsense. Not withstanding that Spain has a stricter curfew than us I’d say we’re in this situation until early May at best.

Sorry if that sounds like I’m shooting the messenger, really not trying to do that Clint.

Ring Of Steel · Apr 4, 2020

Grendel said:
No it’s an MP breaking rules - I really can’t be bothered with this nonsense again

lol and sure enough there we go- so predictable. You’re a foolish, xenophobic man, and it’s Saturday so I will continue with my alcohol- related business untroubled by your warped nationalism.

clint van damme · Apr 4, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
I believe Spain has just extended their curfew for another 2 weeks. Given we’re about 2 weeks behind them in terms of the curve I’d say Niall Ferguson is talking nonsense. Not withstanding that Spain has a stricter curfew than us I’d say we’re in this situation until early May at best.

Sorry if that sounds like I’m shooting the messenger, really not trying to do that Clint.

I thought his prediction was overly optimistic to be honest, as I said, perhaps a ploy to get people to behave this weekend with the nice weather.
I think we're definitely going into May.

skybluetony176 · Apr 4, 2020

chiefdave said:
Personally I'm not going to be racing to the pub or any other crowded place the minute they announce the removal of restrictions. Will be keeping contact to a minimum for a few more weeks and see how things are going.

Same here. I’ll be social distancing for a good while yet.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 4, 2020

baldy said:
E20 - Level 13 with Jersey & Guernsey teams 2.0

(Can PM ya if you need help...it’s piss easy anyway mate)

Oh yeah I've already got it pretty customised just need to know where to find reliable stuff!

cc84cov · Apr 4, 2020

Grendel said:
If he hasn’t show recovery in 3 days there is a likelihood he will be hospitalised

Ah so we know he will be back in 2 days then lol

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Apr 4, 2020

cc84cov said:
Ah so we know he will be back in 2 days then lol

Not likely. Chance to avoid the scrutiny longer and get a load of sympathy. He'll take that. Although I wouldn't want to be a nurse treating the randy sod.

Sick Boy · Apr 4, 2020

Italy

intensive care cases down by 74 compared to yesterday, seen as important news, it’s the first decrease

1238 recovered
681 deaths
2886 new people tested positive but more testing happening

RegTheDonk · Apr 4, 2020

shmmeee said:
I hear you. But also I’m a typical bloke who won’t go to a doctor until he’s literally dead. I just thought I’m probably still registered at my old GP in Holbrooks so gonna give them a call when they open Monday and see what’s what. Dont worry about me guys, when I stop posting here you’ll know it’s serious

Fair play but don't be a hero...if you are having trouble breathing, ffs phone 999.

SkyBlueDom26 · Apr 4, 2020

Sick Boy said:
Italy

intensive care cases down by 74 compared to yesterday, seen as important news, it’s the first decrease

1238 recovered
681 deaths
2886 new people tested positive but more testing happening

Are deaths down mate?

Sick Boy · Apr 4, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Are deaths down mate?

Yes they are. They emphasised the importance of the decrease in intensive care much more though.

hill83 · Apr 4, 2020

Grendel said:
No it’s an MP breaking rules - I really can’t be bothered with this nonsense again

I agree with you to be fair. Can’t see an issue with what you’ve posted there and that MP and everyone involved are divs.

Pretty sure Nick mentioned it yesterday as well in one of his information overload posts.

Brylowes · Apr 4, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
It does indeed. Most of the world either laughs or marvels at how many people were conned. But there you go.

Ah, but what they lack in ‘critical long term strategic thinking, empathy, substance, gumption and reliability.
They more than make up fo with ‘tag lines, bluster, unintended humour, deflection and populist slogans.

SkyBlueDom26 · Apr 4, 2020

Sick Boy said:
Yes they are. They emphasised the importance of the decrease in intensive care much more though.

Be interesting to see if Italy drop alot next week as we are seemingly following on a similar path all be it nearly 2 weeks behind

Grendel · Apr 4, 2020

Magwitch said:
Do you reckon ?
In the recent GE the Government won and won well with about 70% of the population voting, with this virus the whole country are on it and affected one way or the other, the recriminations will come and realisation that government negligence of the NHS and other austerity measures will come home to roost. There will be a huge political fall-out due to all this imo.

You said there would be a revolution and the whole country would rally round Jeremy Corbyn

Sick Boy · Apr 4, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Be interesting to see if Italy drop alot next week as we are seemingly following on a similar path all be it nearly 2 weeks behind

I don’t think it’ll drop a lot, I think it’s going to take a while but it’s going in the right direction.
It’s managed by the Civil Protection here and the capo/boss has said that they’re now considering phase 2 of the emergency but to expect to at home still in early May. As I said, I imagine it’ll be mid June before things get up and running again with some sort of normality.

Grendel · Apr 4, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
lol and sure enough there we go- so predictable. You’re a foolish, xenophobic man, and it’s Saturday so I will continue with my alcohol- related business untroubled by your warped nationalism.

You come across trying far to hard on this issue - bit like Harvey proctor the anti gay campaigner who ended up in a newspaper exclusive with a load of rent boys

You really need to wind your neck in. He’s an MP and I couldn’t give a fuck what colour he is you spanner

chiefdave · Apr 4, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
It sounds like quite a few places might be having very unpleasant visits from HMRC in the months ahead.

Will be interesting to see what enforcement there is. Think a lot of companies are counting on nothing being checked. Are even the basics going to be checked?

On the government site it says your company can furlough you "if they’re unable to operate or have no work for you to do because of coronavirus". There's zero difference for me being in the office or at home so can certainly still operate and at our daily team meeting, an hour before I was told I was being furloughed, we were told March had been by far the busiest month in the companies history. Even on my last day at our end of week team meeting we were told the number of calls being logged was still above usual levels. Not sure how they could then say to HMRC there was no work to do.

hill83 said:
A few non essential roles are going through it at my place. Hand phones, laptops, post it notes, pencils, rubbers, passes, everything in.
No contact. Nothing. Doing it properly. Massive international company. In the media a fair bit especially now. Taking absolutely no chances whatsoever.

Very different to mine, still got everything. Have been told to ensure our out of office doesn't mention furlough, still check emails & messenger, attend team & company meetings and undertake training.

Ring Of Steel said:
And the company cannot make you go on furlough either, if it’s not in your contract you have to agree with it. Not massively recommended to fight it though as if you do that you’ll get the inevitable “in that case I am informing you your position is at risk of being made redundant”..

Exactly right. If you argue it you're not going to end up better off. I got a call at lunchtime, then a letter a couple of hours later to confirm which had to be signed and returned before the end of the day. Doesn't really give you time to get anything in it checked. They even slipped in a change to our contracts to allow lay off and short time.

Sick Boy · Apr 4, 2020

derbyskyblue · Apr 4, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
Do-do chesteze tablets can offer some relief. I got caught short once on a weekend break with no inhalers miles from home. Something irritated my chest (a particular type of pollen I think) and I went to a local pharmacy and they recommended them. Not as effective as an inhaler but they took the edge off enough so I could sleep at night and not have to abandon a romantic weekend with my then girlfriend to go back home all because I forgot to pick up an inhaler.

You can buy an emergency inhaler from a pharmacist. They may well check to see if its on your prescriptions list but that is an option. i myself ave don same on a ccouple of occasions down the years and never had a problem.
Their is no need in this day and age to go without if you've forgotten one.

wingy · Apr 4, 2020

derbyskyblue said:
You can buy an emergency inhaler from a pharmacist. They may well check to see if its on your prescriptions list but that is an option. i myself ave don same on a ccouple of occasions down the years and never had a problem.
Their is no need in this day and age to go without if you've forgotten one.

I think those dodo tablets died off years ago.
Restricted due to ingredients being abused I think. Many others also .

derbyskyblue · Apr 4, 2020

Otis said:
Sensible. I intend to do exactly the same.

Wish I could get that through to my 90 yr old dad though.

I just rang him to see what food he wants and he told me he went shopping himself this morning.

Bless him, different breed that generation.

SkyBlueDom26 · Apr 4, 2020

USA guns sales have reached an all time high apparently, erm???

skybluetony176 · Apr 4, 2020

wingy said:
I think those dodo tablets died off years ago.
Restricted due to ingredients being abused I think. Many others also .

It was a good 25 years ago I used them so you may well be right.

Skybluefaz · Apr 4, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
USA guns sales have reached an all time high apparently, erm???

Nothing kills a virus deader than a gun

CCFCSteve · Apr 4, 2020

Tried to avoid this a bit more today (for my sanity) but always like to check as there’s usually some useful info/comments, especially from sick boy re: Italy.

Is it too much to ask for all this ‘Johnson’s avoiding scrutiny stuff’ to calm down though. None of us know how ill he is so unless there’s any convincing evidence to indicate it’s bullshit suggesting he should be holding the press briefings and is swerving them to avoid scrutiny is crazy (most leaders aren’t even bothering with daily briefings at all, let alone when they are recovering from coronavirus). We all probably know people who’ve had this, some of which have sadly passed, and how debilitating it can be, so I’m finding the comments bizarre, even when I know how disliked he is by some/many (especially as he will still be scrutinised for performance during this time anyway)

Anyway, hope the decent weather is keeping people’s spirits up even if we can’t all enjoy it as we usually might.

hill83 · Apr 4, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
USA guns sales have reached an all time high apparently, erm???

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