shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Equally though, surely Western governments know not to trust Chinese numbers? Seems an easy scapegoat.
And people were still arriving into the UK from places like New York last week. The virus was not only in Italy and countries would have had to have closed down their border completely to all countries in reality rather than just Italy.
Italy was one of the first European countries to ban flights on from China at the end of January and it didn't work.
But...I do think that the Chinese reporting of numbers has had a major impact on this as it led to underestimating the virus in Europe as the true extent of it wasn't and still hasn't been shown.
In that case then you’d have ended up sealing off most countries for 12 months to protect themselves. The virus didn’t originate in Italy and has and would have been spread from other countries as well.
Good luck sealing off one of the main motorways connecting south east to western Europe as well.
A-level work, science
Really? Time? Context?
They're all snakes with tits mate
Being at home I'm easy prey to be asked by the kids to help with algebra, I hated that when I was 11 and I bloody hate it even more now
I think Greggs is a business phenomenon - a real success story actually
Imagine teaching it to 30 of them
Lol, still bring up such a throw away comment aimed at nobody.
Maybe we should have followed the Italians with the hug a Chinese campaign to show how woke and progressive we are.
Classic deflection. Are they the best food?
I think the Tories are an election winning machine, doesn’t make em any good at governing.
It would appear that Mr Gove has been telling lies!
Robert Peston
@michaelgove
said just now that the difficulty in increasing number of #COVID19 tests was due to a shortage of the relevant "chemcial reagents". Well I've just talked to the Chemical Industries Association, which represents the UK's very substantial chemicals industry. It...
6:53 pm · 31 Mar 2020·Twitter Web App
Replying to
@Peston
has contacted its members, and they've said there is no shortage of the relevant reagents. So the Association has now been in touch with
@michaelgove
's office to find out what he means, because it is stumped. The Association also points out there was an industry chat with...
Robert Peston
@Peston
a business minister today, who made no attempt to find out if there was a supply problem for the vital ingredients of Covid19 testing kits. So this question of why there aren't enough tests for the virus is an even bigger mystery. Also, if it turns out there is a shortage...
these manufacturers are more than happy to increase their production. But they need to be asked, which has not happened. PS It was Labour MP
@Bill_Esterson
who initially spotted this gap between what Gove said and what the industry believes to be true.
Their numbers look more and more ridiculous each day, if you have no idea of the true numbers how can you be fully aware of the devastation it could cause?Equally though, surely Western governments know not to trust Chinese numbers? Seems an easy scapegoat.
Nah I was just hoping to know what else you said about shutting borders and when you said it. Just like Coventrian wanting to shoot holes in boats but not really
What is ‘woke’?Lol, still bring up such a throw away comment aimed at nobody.
Maybe we should have followed the Italians with the hug a Chinese campaign to show how woke and progressive we are.
I think we have a bit (up to just over 8k from the initial 4-5k which I think the original per head comparison reflects) from conversions, private sector and army. Let’s see how many new purchased ventilators come through next week as indicated at today’s briefing and whether we end up breaching capacity - I’d be shocked if we don’t for a period but obviously depends on how quickly the new ones arrive/training of operators in comparison with the increasing demand
Their numbers look more and more ridiculous each day, if you have no idea of the true numbers how can you be fully aware of the devastation it could cause?
It would appear that Mr Gove has been telling lies!
Robert Peston
@michaelgove
said just now that the difficulty in increasing number of #COVID19 tests was due to a shortage of the relevant "chemcial reagents". Well I've just talked to the Chemical Industries Association, which represents the UK's very substantial chemicals industry. It...
6:53 pm · 31 Mar 2020·Twitter Web App
Replying to
@Peston
has contacted its members, and they've said there is no shortage of the relevant reagents. So the Association has now been in touch with
@michaelgove
's office to find out what he means, because it is stumped. The Association also points out there was an industry chat with...
Robert Peston
@Peston
a business minister today, who made no attempt to find out if there was a supply problem for the vital ingredients of Covid19 testing kits. So this question of why there aren't enough tests for the virus is an even bigger mystery. Also, if it turns out there is a shortage...
these manufacturers are more than happy to increase their production. But they need to be asked, which has not happened. PS It was Labour MP
@Bill_Esterson
who initially spotted this gap between what Gove said and what the industry believes to be true.
Shooting holes in boats? What are you going on about?
What is ‘woke’?
They can free up ventilators if Mercedes can get this bit of kit they've developed up and running. Not sure what the timeframe is for that.
Covtarian wants to kill vulnerable children by shooting holes in their boats so they drown. Nothing to see here.Shooting holes in boats? What are you going on about?
I’m not a frustrated American teenager, so don’t understand, sorry.
Oh no, totally. And China being China certainly didn’t help, don’t get me wrong. It’s a perfect example of why their bullshit needs to stop. But to say (as I believe some in government have) that we weren’t prepared because we believed their numbers seems a little naive at best.
I’m not a frustrated American teenager, so don’t understand, sorry.
Is this something different to what was mentioned the other day? Because that 'new' bit kit to me seemed to be a snoring aid called a CPAP machine that've been around for a little while. Or has it been modified in some way?
I think in a word....shite.@Sick Boy whats the economic situation over there like at the moment? Are there many reports of poverty increases or businesses going bust yet?
I think in a word....shite.
In all seriousness, it is too early to tell because the government passed a law stopping companies from laying off staff for, I think, 3 months, so it is probably too early to tell in terms of job losses. It was also quickly announced that the cassa integrazione (government funding) would be available for companies and pays 80% of an employees salary, allowing companies to place workers on reduced hours until the situation is over.
The big problem, in places like Sicily, is that a lot of work is 'in nero', which is cash in hand/off the books, meaning that they are not able to claim anything.
Since the reports about the incidents in Sicily and the supermarkets last week, the government has allocated money for food vouchers to be issued by the regions to those in need.
The big, big loss this year is going to be tourism, I think they will try and open the country up as much as possible for the summer, but I doubt many will bother to come here, but there will be plenty of very cheap holidays up for grabs, i'm sure.
He said he wanted us to shoot holes in the boats of asylum seekers crossing the Channel. Then said it was a 'throwaway comment' before doubling down later
If all come through its 61k newI think we have a bit (up to just over 8k from the initial 4-5k which I think the original per head comparison reflects) from conversions, private sector and army. Let’s see how many new purchased ventilators come through next week as indicated at today’s briefing and whether we end up breaching capacity - I’d be shocked if we don’t for a period but obviously depends on how quickly the new ones arrive/training of operators in comparison with the increasing demand
How many on here have an under lying health issue out of curiosity? I’m asthmatic and hoping to not pick this virus up
It is actually something that is included as part of the salary throughout the year with extra vouchers at Christmas. Workers get 13 or 14 monthly salaries plus vouchers to buy food. The vouchers can be used in certain supermarkets, restaurants and cafes. At my work we have the option of a 3 course lunch every day so we do not get them.Yeah it’s the dark economy that worries me, interesting they outright banned lay offs, the food voucher thing I’d expect to see over here is that brand new for the pandemic or have they always had some kind of voucher system they’ve expanded?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?